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July 21, 2009


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"(magic pens with disappearing ink used by voters, for example) "

I cant read farsi, can you tell me what they said about the magic pens?

and also what about the claim that many of the votes were using same pen and same handwriting?

[Cy responds: there was a rumor that it was required for voters to use government-issued pens when filling ballots, which had disappearing ink. A photo of the ballot ROLLS (the tally list) was shown on a website and some commenters claimed they were ballots themselves (unfolded, same handwriting -- but they were photos of ballot rolls not individual ballots. It would be impossible for the same person to fill out millions of ballots by hand}

Cyrus, expand your perspective to include circumstances such as widespread outage of communication, blockage of select mass media and charges against the moderates as traitors or working at the behest of foreign powers, and you've got a situation where a significant portion of Iranian society believes that a serious injustice has taken place. Right now, that general loss of credibility is more significant than any tally of empirical proof, which is itself tightly controlled and managed by the same authorities now engaged in widely perceived wrong doing.

[Cy responds: None of the items you mentioned amount to election fraud, and were common occurances during previous elections (Mousavi had a hand in them.) This mantra of "loss of credibility" is really just a way of glossing over the fact that there's no actual evidence of election fraud, and is outcome-oriented thinking. I suspect had Mousavi been elected, some people would have been still complaining about the IRI's general credibility anyway.]

The issue of eligible voters serves to illustrate one of the procedural shortcomings of the Iranian presidential election process. Here we have a widespread case of lacking credibility, and the procedure is such that accountability cannot be pinpointed to anywhere near an acceptable degree.

Also noteworthy is the colorful language and evident bias in the report, which only serve to undermine any true sense of objectivity.

Credibility is the big issue here. The election and the post election aftermath have been grossly mishandled, while the process itself has not been reliable enough to fall back upon. Clearly, the report cannot compensate for such shortcomings.

[Cy responds: even if voter eligibility is a problem whcih can be improved, it is still not evidence of fraud. Nor is "colorful language". The Persian language is itself quite colorful. Allegations of fraud cannot compensate for the evidentiary shortcomings.]

What's the point of this post? is it to convince us that you were right about the accuracy of the Iranian election? nice try but epic FAIL yet again.

Say, was 12th Imam's halo above their the council's heads when they were compiling this "report"?

The sh-t has already hit the fan no need to dig deeper ...

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