ADL asserts Gen. Petraeus ‘erred’ in his recent congressional testimony.
In his recent testimony (pdf) before the Senate Armed Services Committee, CENTCOM chief Gen. David Petraeus stated that “insufficient progress toward a comprehensive Middle East peace” is among the “issues that serve as major drivers of instability, inter-state tensions, and conflict.” Today, the Anti-Defamation League released a statement accusing Gen. Petraeus of error:
The assumptions Gen. Petraeus presented to the Senate Armed Services Committee wrongly attribute “insufficient progress” in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process and “a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel” as significantly impeding the U.S. military mission in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and in dealing with the Iranian influences in the region. It is that much more of a concern to hear this coming from such a great American patriot and hero.
The General’s assertions lead to the illusory conclusion that if only there was a resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the U.S. could successfully complete its mission in the region.
Gen. Petraeus has simply erred in linking the challenges faced by the U.S. and coalition forces in the region to a solution of the Israeli-Arab conflict, and blaming extremist activities on the absence of peace and the perceived U.S. favoritism for Israel. This linkage is dangerous and counterproductive.
Whenever the Israeli-Arab conflict is made a focal point, Israel comes to be seen as the problem. If only Israel would stop settlements, if only Israel would talk with Hamas, if only Israel would make concessions on refugees, if only it would share Jerusalem, everything in the region would then fall into line.
This is a clear misrepresentation of what Gen. Petraeus said. Petraeus offered his professional military opinion — shared by many others, including the 2006 Iraq Study Group — that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a key driver of instability in the Middle East, and that working toward a resolution to the conflict is an essential U.S. national security interest. The ADL offered no facts to dispute this conclusion.
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Whenever the Israeli-Arab conflict is made a focal point, Israel comes to be seen as the problem. If only Israel would stop settlements, if only Israel would talk with Hamas, if only Israel would make concessions on refugees, if only it would share Jerusalem, everything in the region would then fall into line.
That’s right!
March 18th, 2010 at 7:49 pmOf course, when you disagree with the ADL or AIPAC, you MUST be in error.
(Or anti-Semitic).
Right?
March 18th, 2010 at 7:50 pmrobbez_92107 says:
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Of course, when you disagree with the ADL or AIPAC, you MUST be in error.
(Or anti-Semitic).
Right?
Yeah pretty much..And don’t forget, you’re also
March 18th, 2010 at 7:54 pmanti-semitic” if you express any hint of outrage at the obvious human rights violations israel has committed….At least in my dad’s eyes.
Amazing how much the party of Israel first, no matter what, is supported by people that are busting a blood vessel over an extention of unemployment benefits.
They don’t mind sending BILLIONS and sacrificing the security of the United States to help out the welfare state of Israel, but they lose their mind over some kid getting fed with food stamps.
Total morons. Typical right wingers.
March 18th, 2010 at 7:55 pmMy dad still thinks that Obama is “anti-semitic” because he’s “not helping israel out” by giving them nuclear weapons like Bush would have done if he could..
March 18th, 2010 at 7:56 pmRantingTommy says:
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Amazing how much the party of Israel first, no matter what, is supported by people that are busting a blood vessel over an extention of unemployment benefits.
They don’t mind sending BILLIONS and sacrificing the security of the United States to help out the welfare state of Israel, but they lose their mind over some kid getting fed with food stamps.
Total morons. Typical right wingers.
You’ve just described my entire immediate family…
March 18th, 2010 at 7:57 pmMy dad was rooting for Bush in Iraq and saying that we needed to “stay in there as long as we had to so we could win”.. And he was basically clamoring for more missle attacks against the brown people, or in his mind “terrorists” in Afghanistan…
March 18th, 2010 at 7:59 pmIt would be very easy to get a peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. Cut of aid to both sides until they work out their differences. It would take about 3-5 years in my estimation, but eventually they would both be forced to settle their differences.
March 18th, 2010 at 7:59 pmAnd like most chickenhawks, my dad was able to escape being drafted into Vietnam ( he had high blood pressure)…
March 18th, 2010 at 8:00 pmLefty Liberal says:
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It would be very easy to get a peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. Cut of aid to both sides until they work out their differences. It would take about 3-5 years in my estimation, but eventually they would both be forced to settle their differences.
Yeah that would defintely work…
March 18th, 2010 at 8:01 pmIsrael did not start the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war. If you say that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were a reaction to the presense of Israel and US support to Israel, they you are taking the terrorists word for their motivation. Petreaus is making a linkage between the US problems and Israel based on words that are put forth by those who hate the US and Israel. When Patreaus uses the enemy’s hateful rhetoric, he is wrong.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:02 pmlinzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:
Lefty Liberal says:
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It would be very easy to get a peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. Cut of aid to both sides until they work out their differences. It would take about 3-5 years in my estimation, but eventually they would both be forced to settle their differences.
Yeah that would defintely work…
Israel would cave first in my opinion.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:02 pmI just looooove coming from a family of warmongers!!
March 18th, 2010 at 8:02 pm/snark…
Ok who voted 11 down?
March 18th, 2010 at 8:03 pmWiz says:
Israel did not start the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war. If you say that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were a reaction to the presense of Israel and US support to Israel, they you are taking the terrorists word for their motivation. Petreaus is making a linkage between the US problems and Israel based on words that are put forth by those who hate the US and Israel. When Patreaus uses the enemy’s hateful rhetoric, he is wrong.
You really are clueless, aren’t you?
March 18th, 2010 at 8:03 pmLefty Liberal says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:04 pmIt would be very easy to get a peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. Cut of aid to both sides until they work out their differences. It would take about 3-5 years in my estimation, but eventually they would both be forced to settle their differences.
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So essentially enforce sanctions on them?
ADL…Yeowee… they should stick to things they understand or can throw MILLIONS of dollars at to make it go away… Not this time.. The ADL is stinking up the joint at this point….but that never stopped ‘um..
March 18th, 2010 at 8:05 pmTo whom? Other than to those who desire that the U.S. position on the Israeli government’s policies towards the Palestinians remain one of cringing fealty, that is?
I’d be very interested in seeing what unique military insight the hacks at the ADL hare using to second guess the General.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:05 pmWiz says:
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Israel did not start the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war. If you say that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were a reaction to the presense of Israel and US support to Israel, they you are taking the terrorists word for their motivation. Petreaus is making a linkage between the US problems and Israel based on words that are put forth by those who hate the US and Israel. When Patreaus uses the enemy’s hateful rhetoric, he is wrong.
WTF? Anyone with a brain knows that it was our support for israel that caused 9/11 as well as the bombings in Nairobi and the uss cole in yemen..Have you been living under a rock for the past 9 years or something?
March 18th, 2010 at 8:06 pmWhat did I say that is not true?
March 18th, 2010 at 8:06 pmbizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Lefty Liberal says:
It would be very easy to get a peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. Cut of aid to both sides until they work out their differences. It would take about 3-5 years in my estimation, but eventually they would both be forced to settle their differences.
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So essentially enforce sanctions on them?
Draconian sanctions that cut off the vast majority of their funding. For both sides.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:07 pmWiz says:
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What did I say that is not true?
Your whole statement was false…
March 18th, 2010 at 8:07 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Even if you believe that US support of Israel somehow caused 9-11 means that you are blaming the US for 9-11. This is what the terrorists say.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:08 pmDraconian sanctions that cut off the vast majority of their funding. For both sides.
My only issue with sanctions is that they always seem to affect the “common people” the most…The rulers/leaders are almost always able to find a way around them.. But it’s defintely a start!
March 18th, 2010 at 8:09 pmThe ADL wants to play the nuance game for a plainly apparent relationship between the Palestinians and the Muslim world vis a vis the US. What is worse is that they expect us to believe the BS.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:10 pmI would like to hear the specfics, just declaring it wrong, is not helpful of a good discussion. I am willing to be convinced I am wrong, if I get something more than reasonless statements.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:10 pmI flagged 23 for spam..
March 18th, 2010 at 8:10 pmWiz says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:11 pmEven if you believe that US support of Israel somehow caused 9-11 means that you are blaming the US for 9-11. This is what the terrorists say.
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We’re discussing the Israeli-Palestine conflict and you’re ranting about 9/11. Stay on topic.
Wiz says:
Even if you believe that US support of Israel somehow caused 9-11 means that you are blaming the US for 9-11. This is what the terrorists say.
Quite simply, the view in the Middle East is that the US is occupying their territory and on their religion. There has been wars fought between Christians and Muslims for 1500 years, and they view this as nothing more than a continuation.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:11 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
So I’m running away from the Census form I recieved in the mail, right, and since the Earth is flat, I’m smart enough to run in place; doing otherwise would have seen me fall off the cliff of Earth. So the mailman catches up with me and I’m thinkin, “I gave it my all, time to give my soul to big guvmint”. So I open the form, and its like ten of the easiest, least intrusive questions you’ll ever answer. What is your name..race..number of occupants..etc. So I’m about to mail the thing back..however, the ease of those questions doesn’t abolish my stupidity. I’m thinking about mailing my form to Michelle Bachmann, where she’ll probably sell the basic info to a junk mail distributor and give the proceeds to the church of blah-d.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:12 pmLefty Liberal says:
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Lefty Liberal says:
It would be very easy to get a peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. Cut of aid to both sides until they work out their differences. It would take about 3-5 years in my estimation, but eventually they would both be forced to settle their differences.
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So essentially enforce sanctions on them?
Draconian sanctions that cut off the vast majority of their funding. For both sides.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:12 pm–
Would this be both financial and international trade or just financial?
Quite simply, the view in the Middle East is that the US is occupying their territory and on their religion. There has been wars fought between Christians and Muslims for 1500 years, and they view this as nothing more than a continuation.
Exactly…Couldn’t have put it better myself!
March 18th, 2010 at 8:12 pmlinzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:
Draconian sanctions that cut off the vast majority of their funding. For both sides.
My only issue with sanctions is that they always seem to affect the “common people” the most…The rulers/leaders are almost always able to find a way around them.. But it’s defintely a start!
The number one sanction on Israel would be weapons. Without US weapons, Israel is vulnerable to attack by other countries. That is the leverage that is needed.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:13 pmOk, I also flagged comment 31 for spam.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:13 pmRepublicans are big on making blanket declaration without support. The recent Health care debate is the obvious example. I guess it is easy to throw about words, without much thought.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:13 pmbizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Lefty Liberal says:
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Lefty Liberal says:
It would be very easy to get a peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. Cut of aid to both sides until they work out their differences. It would take about 3-5 years in my estimation, but eventually they would both be forced to settle their differences.
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So essentially enforce sanctions on them?
Draconian sanctions that cut off the vast majority of their funding. For both sides.
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Would this be both financial and international trade or just financial?
Primarily, military hardware, but I would stop everything to get their attention.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:14 pmThe number one sanction on Israel would be weapons. Without US weapons, Israel is vulnerable to attack by other countries. That is the leverage that is needed.
Which is why AIPAC and LIEberman are squawking the most about the idea of sanctions on israel…
March 18th, 2010 at 8:15 pmFinally wiz said something that makes sense @ comment 37..
March 18th, 2010 at 8:16 pmlinzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:
The number one sanction on Israel would be weapons. Without US weapons, Israel is vulnerable to attack by other countries. That is the leverage that is needed.
Which is why AIPAC and LIEberman are squawking the most about the idea of sanctions on israel…
Which I don’t understand. Wouldn’t an attack on Israel usher in the “rapture”, and for those whackjobs, isn’t that what they want?
March 18th, 2010 at 8:16 pmI missed so many f uckin’ good threads. My favorite was the dooches in Ohio kneeling down to the presumed (?) homeless guy with parkinsons, “thairz aint noa handouts.” I would like to see you illiterates try to work off of tens of thousands in medical debt.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:16 pmGood call, let’s simply allow the democratic nation of Israel to be overrun and annihilated by the fundamentalists that surround them. They live in a sea of hatred that hasn’t been shy to proclaim their desire to see Israel destroyed. Without the assistance of the United States, we would be allowing an entire nation to be eradicated from the face of the earth, again.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:17 pmWiz says:
Even if you believe that US support of Israel somehow caused 9-11 means that you are blaming the US for 9-11. This is what the terrorists say.
I would say our “Israel can do no wrong” stance fuels hatred towards us in the Muslim World. It still doesn’t justify killing 3000 bystanders.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:17 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
I missed so many f uckin’ good threads. My favorite was the dooches in Ohio kneeling down to the presumed (?) homeless guy with parkinsons, “thairz aint noa handouts.” I would like to see you illiterates try to work off of tens of thousands in medical debt.
Well if he wasn’t such a “sinner” he wouldn’t have gotten sick in the first place. /snark
March 18th, 2010 at 8:18 pmGOP, how about the Repugs and hate radio attacking that 11 year old who’s Mother died? They claim he is in league with the ‘Progressive’ movement.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:18 pmWhich I don’t understand. Wouldn’t an attack on Israel usher in the “rapture”, and for those whackjobs, isn’t that what they want?
Logic and rational thinking aren’t their biggest strengths, lefty…Sometimes I wonder if they understand what they themselves say….
March 18th, 2010 at 8:18 pmI would say our “Israel can do no wrong” stance fuels hatred towards us in the Muslim World. It still doesn’t justify killing 3000 bystanders.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:19 pmLefty Liberal says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:20 pmPrimarily, military hardware, but I would stop everything to get their attention.
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Okay. The US could cut off their energy imports (Israel relies on external imports for meeting most of its energy needs) as well as their military imports I think you could seriously force their hand (for lack of a better way of putting it).
Wesley got it Right says:
Good call, let’s simply allow the democratic nation of Israel to be overrun and annihilated by the fundamentalists that surround them. They live in a sea of hatred that hasn’t been shy to proclaim their desire to see Israel destroyed. Without the assistance of the United States, we would be allowing an entire nation to be eradicated from the face of the earth, again.
Have you read ANYTHING about what Israel has been doing lately? Putting settlements into Palestinian lands? You don’t think that is provocative? How would you like it if Canada started putting settlements on your property, and not allowing you to use your own resources (water)?
March 18th, 2010 at 8:20 pmWesley got it Right says:
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Good call, let’s simply allow the democratic nation of Israel to be overrun and annihilated by the fundamentalists that surround them. They live in a sea of hatred that hasn’t been shy to proclaim their desire to see Israel destroyed. Without the assistance of the United States, we would be allowing an entire nation to be eradicated from the face of the earth, again.
Have you been drinking the fundie kool-aid again? I’ve told you over and over again that it’s bad for your brain..
March 18th, 2010 at 8:22 pmAlso, you do realize that Charles Wesley ( which I assume you chose your sn after) would probably be advocating for an end to this ongoing conflict?
Nat says:
Even if you believe that US support of Israel somehow caused 9-11 means that you are blaming the US for 9-11. This is what the terrorists say.
-Wiz
I would say our “Israel can do no wrong” stance fuels hatred towards us in the Muslim World. It still doesn’t justify killing 3000 bystanders.
But when thousands of Palestinians are slaughtered every year by Israel, that’s OK? They don’t have the right to fight back at the people that allow Israel to slaughter their people? They don’t have the right to fight the only kind of war against an aggressor that is stealing their land and their resources?
March 18th, 2010 at 8:23 pm@50 Lefty, I don’t think he/she/it can read..
March 18th, 2010 at 8:23 pmThere are a number of reasons why we are in the difficulty in the middle east, some of it can be attributed to support to Israel in part. But lets not forget that an underlying reason for both wars in Iraq is to protect oil resources, and the terrorists were motivated by that as well as any US support to Israel. Which brings us to the main point, the US will never walk away from Israel or force Israel to do something they do not want to do. No US administration or Congress would survive reelection. Also if the US did walk away, Israel has its own defense industry, and enough resources to get what they need, no matter what the US does.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:24 pmLefty Liberal says:
Have you read ANYTHING about what Israel has been doing lately? Putting settlements into Palestinian lands? You don’t think that is provocative? How would you like it if Canada started putting settlements on your property, and not allowing you to use your own resources (water)?
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I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that Palestine was a recognized, sovereign nation. Additionally, the Palestinians are far more victimized by their own Muslim neighbors, who use them as pawns, than they are the Israelis. The Palestinians are suffering, I agree, but this suffering can be easily alleviated if the Arab nations in the area would place their hate for Jews aside and be truly proactive in helping these people.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:24 pmLefty Liberal says:
Wesley got it Right says:
Good call, let’s simply allow the democratic nation of Israel to be overrun and annihilated by the fundamentalists that surround them. They live in a sea of hatred that hasn’t been shy to proclaim their desire to see Israel destroyed. Without the assistance of the United States, we would be allowing an entire nation to be eradicated from the face of the earth, again.
Have you read ANYTHING about what Israel has been doing lately? Putting settlements into Palestinian lands? You don’t think that is provocative? How would you like it if Canada started putting settlements on your property, and not allowing you to use your own resources (water)?
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Don’t forget murdering them as well…like the 1,400 Palestinians, two-thirds of whom were civilians, who were killed in Operation Cast Lead back on January 3rd, 2009.
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Lefty Liberal says:
Primarily, military hardware, but I would stop everything to get their attention.
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Okay. The US could cut off their energy imports (Israel relies on external imports for meeting most of its energy needs) as well as their military imports I think you could seriously force their hand (for lack of a better way of putting it).
That’s it in a nutshell. Israel is much different that most countries that we use sanctions on. They have a representative democracy, and once the people feel the heat, they have the ability to make changes to their government.
As it stands, there is no reason for them to make any changes to their government.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:25 pmit’s insane that the course of western civilization is being dictated by a tiny patch of real estate populated with intransigent grudge-holders half a world away.
(funny aside thought – our Senate has become a microcosm of the M.E.)
some new approach must be adopted, and NO, not one that just leaves israel hanging out to dry…
March 18th, 2010 at 8:26 pm@52 Geez, you know more than I do about this subject, lefty..And I was thinking of being an international relations major in college when i was a senior in high school (2 years ago)…Hehe didn’t quite work out that way…
March 18th, 2010 at 8:26 pmLefty Liberal says:
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Lefty Liberal says:
Primarily, military hardware, but I would stop everything to get their attention.
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Okay. The US could cut off their energy imports (Israel relies on external imports for meeting most of its energy needs) as well as their military imports I think you could seriously force their hand (for lack of a better way of putting it).
That’s it in a nutshell. Israel is much different that most countries that we use sanctions on. They have a representative democracy, and once the people feel the heat, they have the ability to make changes to their government.
As it stands, there is no reason for them to make any changes to their government.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:27 pm–
Agreed except for one thing, they should boot Benjamin Netanyahu out…the guy is a warmonger.
Wesley got it Right says:
Lefty Liberal says:
Have you read ANYTHING about what Israel has been doing lately? Putting settlements into Palestinian lands? You don’t think that is provocative? How would you like it if Canada started putting settlements on your property, and not allowing you to use your own resources (water)?
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I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that Palestine was a recognized, sovereign nation. Additionally, the Palestinians are far more victimized by their own Muslim neighbors, who use them as pawns, than they are the Israelis. The Palestinians are suffering, I agree, but this suffering can be easily alleviated if the Arab nations in the area would place their hate for Jews aside and be truly proactive in helping these people.
So since they aren’t recognized as a sovereign nation, they are fair game to be slaughtered?
Yes, they are pawns used by both sides, which is why the international community, lead by the US, should take steps to recognize them and broker a peace treaty that will slow down the bloodshed.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:28 pm#
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Lefty Liberal says:
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Lefty Liberal says:
Primarily, military hardware, but I would stop everything to get their attention.
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Okay. The US could cut off their energy imports (Israel relies on external imports for meeting most of its energy needs) as well as their military imports I think you could seriously force their hand (for lack of a better way of putting it).
That’s it in a nutshell. Israel is much different that most countries that we use sanctions on. They have a representative democracy, and once the people feel the heat, they have the ability to make changes to their government.
As it stands, there is no reason for them to make any changes to their government.
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Agreed except for one thing, they should boot Benjamin Netanyahu out…the guy is a warmonger.
Well, I would go one step further and say he is a war criminal. There are several that should be standing trial at The Hague.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:29 pmI’m sorry, I didn’t realize that Palestine was a recognized, sovereign nation. Additionally, the Palestinians are far more victimized by their own Muslim neighbors, who use them as pawns, than they are the Israelis. The Palestinians are suffering, I agree, but this suffering can be easily alleviated if the Arab nations in the area would place their hate for Jews aside and be truly proactive in helping these people.
It isn’t recognized as a soverign nation..Thats the problem!
March 18th, 2010 at 8:29 pmThe palestinians want a country of their own.. If only Jordan hadn’t taken a lot of territory with them during the partitioning of israel, then this wouldnt be a problem…
Well, I would go one step further and say he is a war criminal. There are several that should be standing trial at The Hague.
Including Bush and Cheney…
March 18th, 2010 at 8:30 pmlinzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:
@52 Geez, you know more than I do about this subject, lefty..And I was thinking of being an international relations major in college when i was a senior in high school (2 years ago)…Hehe didn’t quite work out that way…
If you are interested, research the real underlining cause of the conflict. You will find that it is WATER. Israel needs more and more, and the only place they can get it is in Palestinian areas. Read about how Israel divides water between the Palestinians and Israelis in the occupied territories.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:31 pmAs well as Al-Bashir, because he’s directly responsible for the humanitarian crisis in Darfur..And maybe musharaff too, since he committed blatent civil rights violations about 2 or 3 years ago…
March 18th, 2010 at 8:32 pmI love this, progressives arguing/discussing amongst themselves. It is a rare thing to behold because we are forced to spend so much of our time and energy whacking trolls.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:32 pmLefty Liberal says:
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bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Lefty Liberal says:
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Lefty Liberal says:
Primarily, military hardware, but I would stop everything to get their attention.
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Okay. The US could cut off their energy imports (Israel relies on external imports for meeting most of its energy needs) as well as their military imports I think you could seriously force their hand (for lack of a better way of putting it).
That’s it in a nutshell. Israel is much different that most countries that we use sanctions on. They have a representative democracy, and once the people feel the heat, they have the ability to make changes to their government.
As it stands, there is no reason for them to make any changes to their government.
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Agreed except for one thing, they should boot Benjamin Netanyahu out…the guy is a warmonger.
Well, I would go one step further and say he is a war criminal. There are several that should be standing trial at The Hague.
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It seems like every nation the US has ever been involved with either has its share of war criminals because of we put them in power or because we took someone out of power and that destabilized the region giving rise to the war criminals.
And of course there are cases like Blair and the Bush gang. I bet they’ll die of natural causes before they see the inside of a court-room let alone a prison cell.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:34 pmtombaker says:
it’s insane that the course of western civilization is being dictated by a tiny patch of real estate populated with intransigent grudge-holders half a world away.
(funny aside thought – our Senate has become a microcosm of the M.E.)
some new approach must be adopted, and NO, not one that just leaves israel hanging out to dry…
Until there is serious consequences to their survival, they will never bargain in good faith. They shouldn’t be “hung out to dry” but the idea that they can continue to terrorize others is unacceptable.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:34 pmIf you are interested, research the real underlining cause of the conflict. You will find that it is WATER. Israel needs more and more, and the only place they can get it is in Palestinian areas. Read about how Israel divides water between the Palestinians and Israelis in the occupied territories.
Thanks lefty..I didn’t know that, but it makes sense considering Israel is a desert country..They’ve been having water conservation programs ( I learned about them in one of my science classes) for a while now, and they’ve been experimenting with irrigating plants with seawater, which I thought was kind of cool..But I thought that they solved the water problem with desalination plants.. I guess I was wrong..
March 18th, 2010 at 8:36 pmUmmm, do you mean he LIED?? LOL
Jess
March 18th, 2010 at 8:37 pmhttp://www.anon-vpn.net.tc
Ya know, the CIA did say that climate change posed a threat to our security and this looks like a good example of it!!
March 18th, 2010 at 8:38 pmOops, I think it might have been the nsa that said this about global warming, not the cia…
March 18th, 2010 at 8:39 pmI don’t wanna give anybody here false information…
March 18th, 2010 at 8:40 pmbizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
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It seems like every nation the US has ever been involved with either has its share of war criminals because of we put them in power or because we took someone out of power and that destabilized the region giving rise to the war criminals.
And of course there are cases like Blair and the Bush gang. I bet they’ll die of natural causes before they see the inside of a court-room let alone a prison cell.
The problem with the US is we don’t understand that many parts of the world are not ready for / do not want democracy.
After WWII, the us pretty much rebuilt Europe. The difference there was the population had democratic histories, the population was very well educated, and more importantly, we understood the cultures involved.
Even in Japan, which was much harder, we were still able to change form of government because the population was educated, and had the will to make changes to prevent what happened to them in WWII.
When we go into the Middle East, we have little to no understanding of their cultures, many of the people are poorly educated, and if they are it is a religious education (think what life would be like in the US if the majority of people were educated by their local church).
We need to change for going in and dictating, to going in an asking how we can help. Encouraging change instead of forcing it at the point of a gun.
And most important: WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR ENERGY POLICY SO WE ARE NOT DEPENDENT ON THE COUNTRIES OF THE MIDDLE EAST FOR OUR OIL AND ENERGY!
March 18th, 2010 at 8:41 pmlinzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:
Oops, I think it might have been the nsa that said this about global warming, not the cia…
All of the US intelligence agency’s have been saying that. Military included.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:43 pm@75
March 18th, 2010 at 8:43 pmAMEN,lefty!!
P.D. says:
GOP, how about the Repugs and hate radio attacking that 11 year old who’s Mother died? They claim he is in league with the ‘Progressive’ movement.
This thread’s picking up real fast. Sorry for the late response. The attacks on the little boy are by far the worst. I suppose the Ohio jeering incident resonates the most because I saw a clip of it just yesterday. You’re good to bring that up.
Now, onto providing the real conservative voyce!
*cracks knuckles*
March 18th, 2010 at 8:44 pm@76
March 18th, 2010 at 8:45 pmThanks for the correction, lefty…
I’m not keeping myself as up-to-date on news as I should be…
@78
March 18th, 2010 at 8:47 pmROTFL!!
GOPers and right-wing radio rant-jockeys have been getting better and better at playing the victim card. They have learned the technique from the Zionistas who have elevated victimhood to a fine art.
They are all so pathetic.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:48 pmlinzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:
Have you been drinking the fundie kool-aid again? I’ve told you over and over again that it’s bad for your brain..
March 18th, 2010 at 8:48 pmAlso, you do realize that Charles Wesley ( which I assume you chose your sn after) would probably be advocating for an end to this ongoing conflict?
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I don’t know what fundie kool-aid is, but thanks for the tip. Also, Charles Wesley was a hymn write, I’m not sure he would have had an opionion about Israel in the 1700’s, but perhaps you know more about him than I do (and no my screen name is not after Charles Wesley). Peace will more swiftly come to this conflict when the Muslim nations surrounding Israel actually do something proactive concerning the Palestinians.
Does my party love Israel because they’re at the bottom of some ranking or something? I don’t care about foreign relations. I hate foriegn countries. But I will go along with my party’s foreign pet project. I love Israel. Israel is the U.S.’s greatest ally in the humankindling. There I said it. Now leave me the hell alone!
March 18th, 2010 at 8:49 pm#55, Wesely,
You are blaming Arab countries for the suffering of Palestinians when Palestinians are occupied by Israel.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:49 pmThe war on Gaza was not done by Arabs, but by Israel..
You are also suggesting that it is the Arab countries duty to alleviate the suffering of Palestinians,when their suffering is caused by Israel.
After Israel totally destroyed the city of Gaza in 2008,blowing up schools, mosques, churches even UN buildings it is still refusing to end the blockade and to allow relief shipments of medicine,food and badly needed necessities in defiance of world opinion and UN resolutions.
You said that you did not know that Palestine was a state..and you know why that is, that’s because Israel stole Palestinians land,and Israel is trying to steal what’s left of it in West Bank by building settlement after settlement on that land.
Israel treatment of Palestinians are indefensible.
Israel nothing but an apratheid state.
GOP, it’s bad enough they attack a little boy and a Parkinson’s victim. But I remember last Summer when those SOBs were screaming at a woman in a wheelchair. I knew there, and then, these people were not only brain-washed, they were evil dirt-bags. I wonder if they ever reflect on that moment with regret? I hope so. But then again, maybe not.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:49 pmI don’t think we can underestimate the impact of the US efforts to secure oil resources in the middle east as an important factor in building resentment against the US. You don’t have to look much farther that what happened in Iran, with the Shah being a virtual US puppet, before the Iranian revolution, this was about oil. And look at our involvement in Saudi, Kuwait, and Iraq. This isn’t only about Israel, it is about oil.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:50 pmYou’ve come a long way down from being the presumptive republican nominee, General PeTRAITER!!!!
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!
March 18th, 2010 at 8:51 pmLefty Liberal says:
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
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It seems like every nation the US has ever been involved with either has its share of war criminals because of we put them in power or because we took someone out of power and that destabilized the region giving rise to the war criminals.
And of course there are cases like Blair and the Bush gang. I bet they’ll die of natural causes before they see the inside of a court-room let alone a prison cell.
The problem with the US is we don’t understand that many parts of the world are not ready for / do not want democracy.
After WWII, the us pretty much rebuilt Europe. The difference there was the population had democratic histories, the population was very well educated, and more importantly, we understood the cultures involved.
Even in Japan, which was much harder, we were still able to change form of government because the population was educated, and had the will to make changes to prevent what happened to them in WWII.
When we go into the Middle East, we have little to no understanding of their cultures, many of the people are poorly educated, and if they are it is a religious education (think what life would be like in the US if the majority of people were educated by their local church).
We need to change for going in and dictating, to going in an asking how we can help. Encouraging change instead of forcing it at the point of a gun.
And most important: WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR ENERGY POLICY SO WE ARE NOT DEPENDENT ON THE COUNTRIES OF THE MIDDLE EAST FOR OUR OIL AND ENERGY!
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Cutting down on oil dependency would be the way to go for a sustainable and secure America. There’s no point in fighting over green energy…and we’d be making tons of $ from that.
I’d also like to cut the military budget or at least put a cap on military spending. There is so much we could do with the money if we did cut the budget 12%-20%: anything from health-care to education to foreign aid (including the countries we’ve f***ed up in the last few years as you kinda suggested).
March 18th, 2010 at 8:52 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
You’ve come a long way down from being the presumptive republican nominee, General PeTRAITER!!!!
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!
March 18th, 2010 at 8:54 pm–
GOP you’re slipping man…you forgot to call him a homo commie liberal fascist.
Wiz says:
I don’t think we can underestimate the impact of the US efforts to secure oil resources in the middle east as an important factor in building resentment against the US. You don’t have to look much farther that what happened in Iran, with the Shah being a virtual US puppet, before the Iranian revolution, this was about oil. And look at our involvement in Saudi, Kuwait, and Iraq. This isn’t only about Israel, it is about oil.
And I have been critical of that in this tread as well. But this thread is primarily about Israel. Israel provokes an attack, then retaliates, then plays the victim card. They do this over and over. What Israel does in the occupied territories is inhumane. If they would stop the settlements, and return back to their original boarders, there would be a chance at a solution.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:59 pmtypical…..
the progressives contempt for the great men and women who defend their very freedoms is disgusting.
“corpse-men”……
unpatriotic loons.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:59 pmP.D. says:
GOP, it’s bad enough they attack a little boy and a Parkinson’s victim. But I remember last Summer when those SOBs were screaming at a woman in a wheelchair. I knew there, and then, these people were not only brain-washed, they were evil dirt-bags. I wonder if they ever reflect on that moment with regret? I hope so. But then again, maybe not.
Let’s think about the red asshats in Ohio who are in office thanks to the votes from these howlers and jeering fools, namely Boner. While their reps are jeering congress they’re jeering sick people back in their districts. No understanding of science and medicine. It’s no wonder 90% of scientists are liberal. The conthugs in my party see humans the same way they see a hunk of metal in a junkyard with parts for the taking.
March 18th, 2010 at 8:59 pmtarazan says:
#55, Wesely,
You are blaming Arab countries for the suffering of Palestinians when Palestinians are occupied by Israel.
The war on Gaza was not done by Arabs, but by Israel..
You are also suggesting that it is the Arab countries duty to alleviate the suffering of Palestinians,when their suffering is caused by Israel.
After Israel totally destroyed the city of Gaza in 2008,blowing up schools, mosques, churches even UN buildings it is still refusing to end the blockade and to allow relief shipments of medicine,food and badly needed necessities in defiance of world opinion and UN resolutions.
You said that you did not know that Palestine was a state..and you know why that is, that’s because Israel stole Palestinians land,and Israel is trying to steal what’s left of it in West Bank by building settlement after settlement on that land.
Israel treatment of Palestinians are indefensible.
Israel nothing but an apratheid state.
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Please, quoting the views of the UN and the world community is no argument. Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and the UN in general have proven themselves to be biased as they demonstrate their antisemitism over and over again. Israel has been forced into a survival mode, and yet anytime they concede to Arab demands, they continue to come under terrorist attack. This doesn’t give the Israelis a reason to show them delicate niceties as so many would like. Too many advocate Israel adopting suicidal policies to the detriment of their own existence, in the face of very hostile neighbors.
March 18th, 2010 at 9:00 pmbizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Cutting down on oil dependency would be the way to go for a sustainable and secure America. There’s no point in fighting over green energy…and we’d be making tons of $ from that.
I’d also like to cut the military budget or at least put a cap on military spending. There is so much we could do with the money if we did cut the budget 12%-20%: anything from health-care to education to foreign aid (including the countries we’ve f***ed up in the last few years as you kinda suggested).
Cutting our defense spending would be a great start, but I would also start charging countries that can afford to build their own military but won’t do it because the US is providing their military for them (South Korea, and Taiwan to name two). Charge those countries what it actually costs us to put the military in the field, and charge a premium on top of it, we could make our military a profit center instead of a cost center.
March 18th, 2010 at 9:02 pmpezmiztix says:
unpatriotic loons.
I’ll tell you what’s patriotic, liberal: paying out fat bonuses to VA Bushies under the boilerplate “retention” excuse while the department is strained and underfunded, all because you wanted to Stay the Course ™.
Laaaaaaaaame-O!
March 18th, 2010 at 9:05 pmWesley got it Right says:
tarazan says:
#55, Wesely,
You are blaming Arab countries for the suffering of Palestinians when Palestinians are occupied by Israel.
The war on Gaza was not done by Arabs, but by Israel..
You are also suggesting that it is the Arab countries duty to alleviate the suffering of Palestinians,when their suffering is caused by Israel.
After Israel totally destroyed the city of Gaza in 2008,blowing up schools, mosques, churches even UN buildings it is still refusing to end the blockade and to allow relief shipments of medicine,food and badly needed necessities in defiance of world opinion and UN resolutions.
You said that you did not know that Palestine was a state..and you know why that is, that’s because Israel stole Palestinians land,and Israel is trying to steal what’s left of it in West Bank by building settlement after settlement on that land.
Israel treatment of Palestinians are indefensible.
Israel nothing but an apratheid state.
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Please, quoting the views of the UN and the world community is no argument. Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and the UN in general have proven themselves to be biased as they demonstrate their antisemitism over and over again. Israel has been forced into a survival mode, and yet anytime they concede to Arab demands, they continue to come under terrorist attack. This doesn’t give the Israelis a reason to show them delicate niceties as so many would like. Too many advocate Israel adopting suicidal policies to the detriment of their own existence, in the face of very hostile neighbors.
Actually, I think it is the US that is biased. The Palestinians are under attack everyday, just for defending their homes. Again, how would you like it if a foreign country occupied your home? Would you fight back by any means you could our would you say, “Oh well, they are right, I deserve to be treated terrorized, and humiliated every day, just because I’m alive”?
March 18th, 2010 at 9:06 pmPezmiztix, are you going to make any more death threats against Obama today?
March 18th, 2010 at 9:11 pm#93 Wesley says:
‘Please, quoting the views of the UN and the world community is no argument.Europe,the Middle East,Africa, and the UN in general have proven themselves to be biased as they demonstrate their ‘antisemitism’ over and over again’.
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Hear you go…
March 18th, 2010 at 9:17 pmusing the ‘antisemitism’ card to justify Israel’s inhumane behavior’s and continued military occupation.
Arabs and Palestinians as much Semite, if not more than the Israelis.
Go and check on your computer who are the real Semites.
Lefty Liberal says:
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Cutting down on oil dependency would be the way to go for a sustainable and secure America. There’s no point in fighting over green energy…and we’d be making tons of $ from that.
I’d also like to cut the military budget or at least put a cap on military spending. There is so much we could do with the money if we did cut the budget 12%-20%: anything from health-care to education to foreign aid (including the countries we’ve f***ed up in the last few years as you kinda suggested).
Cutting our defense spending would be a great start, but I would also start charging countries that can afford to build their own military but won’t do it because the US is providing their military for them (South Korea, and Taiwan to name two). Charge those countries what it actually costs us to put the military in the field, and charge a premium on top of it, we could make our military a profit center instead of a cost center.
March 18th, 2010 at 9:22 pm–
How much should we charge for a premium? A certain percentage of the operating costs?
WTF? Anyone with a brain knows that it was our support for israel that caused 9/11 as well as the bombings in Nairobi and the uss cole in yemen..Have you been living under a rock for the past 9 years or something?
9-11 happened because one spoiled rich kid (Osama bid Laden) wanted to go after another spoiled rich kid (GW Bush). The Bush family and the bin Laden family have a long very-compatible money history.
Spoiled rich kid “bin Laden” showed his daddy who is boss by going after ultra-spoiled rich kid “GW Bush”.
Osama bin Laden (very junior – I think he was 18th in succession) didn’t want his “evil nemisis” GW to succeed in the Bush-Cheney plan of colonizing the Middle East. They called it “nation building” but it was nothing more than colonization.
It is no wonder that Osama bin Laden has never been caught.
How many people have died over two oil-rich spoiled brats.
March 18th, 2010 at 9:34 pmtarazan says:
The issue of right and wrong in the ME is very muddy as both sides have committed wrongs. Regardless of the morality, it is impossible for Israel to have peace so long as they obstruct peace negotiations and the Palestinians continue their internecine war. The Israelis have been thumbing their nose at the world and more importantly, the US. Without our financial assistance, the Israeli economy would collapse. It is time we push both parties to the peace table. If need be then we must use our financial power to twist the arms of the Israelis. A continued ME stalemate is not an option because this has gone on for 60 years. The Palestinians need to get both factions together and negotiate in good faith. I have serious concerns that the Israelis and Palestinians are going to do that. We are exerting pressure on the Palestinians and now we must do the same to the Israelis. That will mean the settlements must stop or we stop financial aid. It is time to stop screwing around with petty details for these peace talks and get to the substantive issues. The sooner the two state homeland is implemented, the sooner both parties can go back to nation building.
March 18th, 2010 at 9:47 pmtarazan says:
Hear you go…
using the ‘antisemitism’ card to justify Israel’s inhumane behavior’s and continued military occupation.
Arabs and Palestinians as much Semite, if not more than the Israelis.
Go and check on your computer who are the real Semites.
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Playing word games doesn’t deny the antisemitic, anti-Jewish, anti-Hebrew, anti-Israeli sentiments of the world community. It’s amazing that to point out obvious discrimination and prejudice is such an affront to you. You wouldn’t be harboring those same sentiments would you?
March 18th, 2010 at 10:09 pmLefty Liberal says:
The Palestinians are under attack everyday, just for defending their homes. Again, how would you like it if a foreign country occupied your home? Would you fight back by any means you could our would you say, “Oh well, they are right, I deserve to be treated terrorized, and humiliated every day, just because I’m alive”?
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I would be angry at those who use me and my people as pawns in their religio-political war. This is exactly what the Arab community is doing, not for survival but out of hatred. Now you are giving them a pass and blaming Israel for existing in a survival mode while Muslim Arabs seek to annihilate them. I agree that the Palistinians are victims here as well, but from the heartlessness of Arabs, not Israelis. Nice attempt at a diversion from the real issue.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:15 pmWesley got it Right says:
Lefty Liberal says:
The Palestinians are under attack everyday, just for defending their homes. Again, how would you like it if a foreign country occupied your home? Would you fight back by any means you could our would you say, “Oh well, they are right, I deserve to be treated terrorized, and humiliated every day, just because I’m alive”?
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I would be angry at those who use me and my people as pawns in their religio-political war. This is exactly what the Arab community is doing, not for survival but out of hatred. Now you are giving them a pass and blaming Israel for existing in a survival mode while Muslim Arabs seek to annihilate them. I agree that the Palistinians are victims here as well, but from the heartlessness of Arabs, not Israelis. Nice attempt at a diversion from the real issue.
Yet Israel is the one that is putting settlements on their land, not Syria, not Jordon, or any of the other counties in the area.
Israel is the one stealing their land, Israel is the one stealing their water, Israel is the one killing their people.
Are there Arab countries that are causing a problem, yes. But ISRAEL is the the major problem.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:25 pmWesley got it Right says:
tarazan says:
Hear you go…
using the ‘antisemitism’ card to justify Israel’s inhumane behavior’s and continued military occupation.
Arabs and Palestinians as much Semite, if not more than the Israelis.
Go and check on your computer who are the real Semites.
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Playing word games doesn’t deny the antisemitic, anti-Jewish, anti-Hebrew, anti-Israeli sentiments of the world community. It’s amazing that to point out obvious discrimination and prejudice is such an affront to you. You wouldn’t be harboring those same sentiments would you?
Regardless of what you want to call it, just because they are Jewish, doesn’t mean that they are innocent in every thing they do. They are the aggressors, and have been for decades.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:26 pmpags2 says:
tarazan says:
The issue of right and wrong in the ME is very muddy as both sides have committed wrongs. Regardless of the morality, it is impossible for Israel to have peace so long as they obstruct peace negotiations and the Palestinians continue their internecine war. The Israelis have been thumbing their nose at the world and more importantly, the US. Without our financial assistance, the Israeli economy would collapse. It is time we push both parties to the peace table. If need be then we must use our financial power to twist the arms of the Israelis. A continued ME stalemate is not an option because this has gone on for 60 years. The Palestinians need to get both factions together and negotiate in good faith. I have serious concerns that the Israelis and Palestinians are going to do that. We are exerting pressure on the Palestinians and now we must do the same to the Israelis. That will mean the settlements must stop or we stop financial aid. It is time to stop screwing around with petty details for these peace talks and get to the substantive issues. The sooner the two state homeland is implemented, the sooner both parties can go back to nation building.
Not only must the settlements stop, but the ones that are in the occupied territories must be removed. That must be the first step in any peace movement.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:28 pmbizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Lefty Liberal says:
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Cutting down on oil dependency would be the way to go for a sustainable and secure America. There’s no point in fighting over green energy…and we’d be making tons of $ from that.
I’d also like to cut the military budget or at least put a cap on military spending. There is so much we could do with the money if we did cut the budget 12%-20%: anything from health-care to education to foreign aid (including the countries we’ve f***ed up in the last few years as you kinda suggested).
Cutting our defense spending would be a great start, but I would also start charging countries that can afford to build their own military but won’t do it because the US is providing their military for them (South Korea, and Taiwan to name two). Charge those countries what it actually costs us to put the military in the field, and charge a premium on top of it, we could make our military a profit center instead of a cost center.
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How much should we charge for a premium? A certain percentage of the operating costs?
Total bill should be at least 3 times the cost of putting the military in the field. If my memory is correct (I’m watching KU play in the NCAA tournament and don’t want to do the research) I think it costs the US 5 – 10 billion dollars to keep our army in South Korea. Assume 5 billion, they should pay us 15 billion per year. If they can’t afford it, then we can cut back on our military, or pull out all together.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:32 pmLefty Liberal says:
Are there Arab countries that are causing a problem, yes. But ISRAEL is the the major problem.
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I think you mean Israel’s EXISTENCE is the major problem.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:33 pm# 102 & 103
Wesley…
You are ignoring totally what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians the last 64 years since Israel was created on Palestinians land in 1948 and you are trying to wash it out by keep using the words ‘antisemitism’ as justification.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:33 pmDid you check to see if the Palestinians are more Semites than the Ashkenazim (German in Hebrew) who represent the majority of Jews who are originally Khazaris.
I say this because this seems to be the only defence you have to justify Israel’s butchery of Palestinians,keep repeating the ‘antisemitism’ card.
Wesley got it Right says:
Lefty Liberal says:
Are there Arab countries that are causing a problem, yes. But ISRAEL is the the major problem.
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I think you mean Israel’s EXISTENCE is the major problem.
No, I think Israel has a right to exist, but the DO NOT have the right to kill Palistanians in the occupied territories, they DO NOT have the right to put settlements in the occupied territories, they DO NOT have the right to steal the resources in the occupied territories.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:35 pmI don’t know what fundie kool-aid is, but thanks for the tip. Also, Charles Wesley was a hymn write, I’m not sure he would have had an opionion about Israel in the 1700’s, but perhaps you know more about him than I do (and no my screen name is not after Charles Wesley). Peace will more swiftly come to this conflict when the Muslim nations surrounding Israel actually do something proactive concerning the Palestinians.
Noo I was thinking that wesley, an important figure in the methodist church would have something to say about peace and the cessation of hositlities(sp?) between both sides..I can see we have two different ideas of peace here.. You seem to think it will come at the point of a gun (or in this case, a missle), and I want it to come from diplomacy, aid, development, etc..
March 18th, 2010 at 10:41 pmhositilities=hostilities
March 18th, 2010 at 10:42 pmTo the righties the generals are only right when they say stuff that follows their ideology, otherwise they are idiots.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:43 pmlinzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:
Noo I was thinking that wesley, an important figure in the methodist church would have something to say about peace and the cessation of hositlities(sp?) between both sides..I can see we have two different ideas of peace here.. You seem to think it will come at the point of a gun (or in this case, a missle), and I want it to come from diplomacy, aid, development, etc..
That is the only way that a lasting peace will happen. Any time you force peace at the point of a gun, you will end up with simmering hatred. Look at what is happening in the ME right now.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:44 pmbenji85 says:
To the righties the generals are only right when they say stuff that follows their ideology, otherwise they are idiots.
Which is war, war, war, war, and more war.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:45 pmtarazan says:
You are ignoring totally what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians the last 64 years since Israel was created on Palestinians land in 1948 and you are trying to wash it out by keep using the words ‘antisemitism’ as justification.
Did you check to see if the Palestinians are more Semites than the Ashkenazim (German in Hebrew) who represent the majority of Jews who are originally Khazaris.
I say this because this seems to be the only defence you have to justify Israel’s butchery of Palestinians,keep repeating the ‘antisemitism’ card.
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I am fully aware of what a Semite is, but thank you for the condescension, I don’t know where I would be without it. You keep saying it was Palestinians’ land, but why then were they so un-inclined to so vehemently claim it before the creation of the Jewish state in ‘48? Furthermore, this is land that was historically theirs and after 70 AD they have been increasingly forced out. First by the Romans, then the Arabs, then the Ottomans. We can play a history game all night long, but unfortunately I am off to bed. The bottom line is, the Jews were a displaced people after WWII, Europe wasn’t going to take them, Russia wasn’t willing, and neither were we, so they had to be put somewhere. I can think of no place better than where they began, and funny enough, so did President Harry Truman. Now, since they have been their they have had to continue the same horrific torment and hatred that they did during the Holocaust. Fortunately now they have the protection of nationhood, and they should by no means roll over again to anti-Jewish hate that their people have dealt with for millenniums. So yeah, if this means that they are zealous in claiming what is rightfully theirs and just as determined to defend it, then more power to them.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:45 pmlinzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:
Noo I was thinking that wesley, an important figure in the methodist church would have something to say about peace and the cessation of hositlities(sp?) between both sides..I can see we have two different ideas of peace here.. You seem to think it will come at the point of a gun (or in this case, a missle), and I want it to come from diplomacy, aid, development, etc..
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Do you honestly believe that the Jews don’t want peace, are you really serious? Of course they do, and so does every one else, but they have the first priority of defending their population.
Also, it’s John Wesley that the screen name is after, and I’m not too sure I am too far off where he would be on this. The current United Methodist Church does not resemble Wesley’s theology all that closely.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:49 pmWesley got it Right says:
tarazan says:
You are ignoring totally what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians the last 64 years since Israel was created on Palestinians land in 1948 and you are trying to wash it out by keep using the words ‘antisemitism’ as justification.
Did you check to see if the Palestinians are more Semites than the Ashkenazim (German in Hebrew) who represent the majority of Jews who are originally Khazaris.
I say this because this seems to be the only defence you have to justify Israel’s butchery of Palestinians,keep repeating the ‘antisemitism’ card.
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I am fully aware of what a Semite is, but thank you for the condescension, I don’t know where I would be without it. You keep saying it was Palestinians’ land, but why then were they so un-inclined to so vehemently claim it before the creation of the Jewish state in ‘48? Furthermore, this is land that was historically theirs and after 70 AD they have been increasingly forced out. First by the Romans, then the Arabs, then the Ottomans. We can play a history game all night long, but unfortunately I am off to bed. The bottom line is, the Jews were a displaced people after WWII, Europe wasn’t going to take them, Russia wasn’t willing, and neither were we, so they had to be put somewhere. I can think of no place better than where they began, and funny enough, so did President Harry Truman. Now, since they have been their they have had to continue the same horrific torment and hatred that they did during the Holocaust. Fortunately now they have the protection of nationhood, and they should by no means roll over again to anti-Jewish hate that their people have dealt with for millenniums. So yeah, if this means that they are zealous in claiming what is rightfully theirs and just as determined to defend it, then more power to them.
Because they didn’t have a military that could stand up to the US they should have been pushed off their land? You just aren’t getting what we are saying. Actually look at what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, put yourself in their position for a bit.
Israel is committing “crimes against humanity” everyday, and it’s only because the US is complicit in the acts that they aren’t facing any real sanctions. If Israel was an African or South American country, their leaders would be on trial at The Hague.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:51 pm