Pope John Paul II Back from the Grave

This is strange and dates back to October 2007, but why was more not said about it?
Miracle or hoax?
Thanks to the Daily Post for this story

Is this Pope John Paul II waving from beyond the grave?

Vatican TV director says yes

By NICK PISA -

This fiery figure is being hailed as Pope John Paul II making an appearance beyond the grave.

The image, said by believers to show the Holy Father with his right hand raised in blessing, was spotted during a ceremony in Poland to mark the second anniversary of his death.

Details appeared on the Vatican News Service, a TV station in Rome which specialises in religious news broadcasts.

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Burned into the memory: The image that appeared in the bonfire, Tending his flock: Pope John Paul II at an audience in 2001 (right)

Service director Jarek Cielecki, a Polish priest and close friend of John Paul II, travelled to Poland after hearing an onlooker had photographed the image.

Father Cielecki said he was convinced the picture showed the former pontiff.

"You can see the image of a person in the flames and I think it is the servant of God, Pope John Paul II," he said.

The pictures were being broadcast continuously on Italian TV and also posted on religious websites, some of which crashed as thousands logged on to see for themselves the eerie figure formed by the flames.

The bonfire was lit during a service at Beskid Zywiecki, close to John Paul's birthplace at Katowice, southern Poland, on April 2 - the second anniversary of his death.

Hundreds had attended the ceremony. Gregorz Lukasik, the Polish man who took the photographs, said: "It was only afterwards when I got home and looked at the pictures that I realised I had something.

"I showed them to my brother and sister and they, like me, were convinced the flames had formed the image of Pope John Paul II.

"I was so happy with the picture that I showed it to our local bishop who said that Pope John Paul had made many pilgrimages during his life and he was still making them in death."

Just a thought though if the Pope is on fire, then that is not the image we have of Heaven is it...

thats a whole different place!

Fire and brimstone is down not up!

So what do you think?

What the stars?

The buzz through out the CAtholic Church and indeed the internet is the Vaticans apparent statement that UFO"S and Aliens are possible..
Is this just an attempt to draw those who beleive in Little Green Men to the churches fold or a genuine change of views?

I have no idea but it does for some strange reason give creditabilty to all those who have been for generations they do exist.
Heres what the story says from
Reuters:

By Philip Pullella

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican's chief astronomer says there is no conflict between believing in God and in the possibility of "extraterrestrial brothers" perhaps more evolved than humans.

"In my opinion this possibility (of life on other planets) exists," said Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, a 45-year-old Jesuit priest who is head of the Vatican Observatory and a scientific adviser to Pope Benedict.

"How can we exclude that life has developed elsewhere," he told the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano in an interview in its Tuesday-Wednesday edition, explaining that the large number of galaxies with their own planets made this possible.

Asked if he was referring to beings similar to humans or even more evolved than humans, he said: "Certainly, in a universe this big you can't exclude this hypothesis."

In the interview headlined "The extraterrestrial is my brother," he said he saw no conflict between belief in such beings and faith in God.

"Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, there can be other beings, even intelligent, created by God. This is not in contrast with our faith because we can't put limits on God's creative freedom," he said.

"Why can't we speak of a 'brother extraterrestrial'? It would still be part of creation," he said.

Funes, who runs the observatory which is based south of Rome and in Arizona, held out the possibility that the human race might actually be the "lost sheep" of the universe.

"There could be (other beings) who remained in full friendship with their creator," he said.

THE "BIG BANG?"

Christians have sometimes been at odds with scientists over whether the Bible should be read literally and issues such as creationism versus evolution have been hotly debated for decades.

The Inquisition condemned astronomer Galileo in the 17th century for insisting that the earth revolved around the sun. The Catholic Church did not rehabilitate him until 1992.

Funes said dialogue between faith and science could be improved if scientists learned more about the Bible and the Church kept more up to date with scientific progress.

Funes, an Argentine, said he believed as an astronomer that the most likely explanation for the start of the universe was "the big bang," the theory that it sprang into existence from dense matter billions of years ago.

But he said this was not in conflict with faith in God as a creator. "God is the creator. There is a sense to creation. We are not children of an accident ...," he said.

"As an astronomer, I continue to believe that God is the creator of the universe and that we are not the product of something casual but children of a good father who has a project of love in mind for us," he said.

(Reporting by Philip Pullella, editing by Richard Balmforth)

IT does appear to a strange tact for the church to take after the years of denial.

Could this they know something they are not telling us?

Perhaps the Little Green Men have contacted the Vatican and said you better change you message we are popping in for a visit?

Or is this just a stunt to increase popularity of the waining churches?

Your thoughts wanted...

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The Word of God is Out Dated?

When God told us about the seven Deadly sins for Spiritual Growth I wonder whether he/she know that one day they would be considered out of date.  
I am wondering if the Vatican has consulted with God in their rewriting of what is suppose to be his rules.
The Bible is constantly being revived with chapters added and others left out completely, So I wonder how much of the original text is left, with all this updating and changing to make it more relevant for todays society how can this still be the word of God as we are told it is....

Here are the Original Sins and the new version... interesting to say the least what do you think?

Pride  counteract with Humility
Seeing ourselves as we are and not comparing ourselves to others is humility. Pride and vanity are competitive. If someone else's pride really bothers you, you have a lot of pride.
Avarice/Greed  counter with Generosity
This is about more than money. Generosity means letting others get the credit or praise. It is giving without having expectations of the other person. Greed wants to get its "fair share" or a bit more.
Envy countered with Love "Love is patient, love is kind…" Love actively seeks the good of others for their sake.
Envy resents the good others receive or even might receive. Envy is almost indistinguishable from pride at times.
Wrath/Anger countered with Kindness Kindness means taking the tender approach, with patience and compassion.
Anger is often our first reaction to the problems of others. Impatience with the faults of others is related to this.
Lust with Self control Self control and self mastery prevent pleasure from killing the soul by suffocation.
Legitimate pleasures are controlled in the same way an athlete's muscles are: for maximum efficiency without damage. Lust is the self-destructive drive for pleasure out of proportion to its worth. Sex, power, or image can be used well, but they tend to go out of control.
Gluttony with Faith and Temperance Temperance accepts the natural limits of pleasures and preserves this natural balance.
This does not pertain only to food, but to entertainment and other legitimate goods, and even the company of others.
Sloth with Zeal Zeal is the energetic response of the heart to God's commands.
he other sins work together to deaden the spiritual senses so we first become slow to respond to God and then drift completely into the sleep of complacency.

Heres the new ones..
the souls of drug-pushers, well thats one a given.

the obscenely rich,  see you Bill Gates, and the Catholic Church which is the ricest in the world and well past the obscene.
environmental polluters every car driver is dammed, as is every industry executive....
and “manipulative” genetic scientists will go to Hell, Yep Scientists who dabble in Genetics are doomed as well..... playing God has got you a whole lot of trouble...
unless they repent and seek redemption, and make a huge donation I bet...

Scientific Bullshit

How can killing a mother and child be in the interest of science...
Well thats what Japan has started to do with these beautiful creatures.....

click here for the full story: Herald Sun

ENVIRONMENT Minister Peter Garrett has described as "distressing" photos showing the Japanese whaling fleet dragging aboard a dead mother whale and her calf.
He says the photos would help build up global opposition to whaling.
The images show a minke whale and her calf being harpooned and then winched onto the Japanese vessel Yushin Maru. "I guess when I saw the photos I just felt a bit of a sick feeling as well as a sense of sadness,''
Mr Garrett told the Nine Network today. "It's very disappointing. It's distressing when you think that it can take up to 15 minutes after a harpoon actually hits a whale for the whale to die. "It's even sadder when you consider there's a calf involved.'' Mr Garrett says the photos reinforce Australia's view that killing whales in the Southern Ocean is wrong.

I can not understand why the rest of the world is allowing this barbaric practice to continue....
How dare the Japanese Government do this? I have thought for the longest time that the Japanese people were and are a caring country, environmentally conservative and for the most part against cruelty in all its forms..... maybe I am wrong and they are showing their true colours as barbarians......
The video of this hunt is available at Herald Sun .... I must warn you its not pretty

If you are a god fearing person then perhaps you should lobby your local church or pray group and get this stopped... after all whales are Gods creatures too!
This Must Stop!
Lets work together
tell your friends
Tell the Japanese people
because I seriously doubt whether they would see these images....
Help save these creatures for our grandkids....

Creation vs Evolution

This subject is one which has divided nations, families and been the cause of many conflicts... I have pondered this in an attempt to undertand both sides and to balance my personal beliefs and my love of Science....
Over the past years the a concept has formed which appears to makes sense...
Tell what you think...

The Bible tell us that "God Created Heaven and then earth in 6 days and on the 7 day he/she rested..."
But thought accured to me that time in space is relative and we think of a day as the 24 hours we take to go the sun.... what if a day referred to a era... A day being the time it took to create and evolve ....
Day 1!
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

In the Beginning there was a Big Bang. The Earth was without form just dust until the formation began of the Galaxies . The sun takes shape and ignites... The Earth forms bathed in light... the Earth rotated into a study as she slowed and cooled began the passing of day and night. This Process takes 10 billions year approx.

Day 2

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


Earth as she cools is covered with a salty water, on day two God filters the waters the into salt and fresh. Allows the salted heavy water to sink and the fresh pure water to rise to the surface..
this process about 100,000,000 years

Day 3
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Through great upheavals on the Earth land began to rise out of the sea, fresh began to gather in hollows in her surface and be filtered through the soil and land. The land being dry spout and plants to take hold in the nutrient rich soils. As the plants grew larger in number and diversity the atmosphere gained more and more oxygen to allow the Earths to develop Seasons.... Day and night became set into a steady flow and the plants became adapted into their roles of either night or day. Again this process takes approx. 2.5 billion years...

Day 4
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The Moon and Galaxies are forming along side the earth, suns in other worlds ignite to shine as stars upon the Earth. The Moon is Captured in the Earth Gravity and takes her place opposite to the sun and becomes the symbol for night as the sun is the sign for day....

Day 5
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.


The 1st life appears appears upon the Earth, moves within and out of the Oceans of the Earth. seeks out areas in which to grow. Bacteria and photo planktum....
Creatures grow and become adapted to the planet, 1st higher forms such as Jellyfish and worms appear. Then the 1st land animals start their cycle upon the earth....dinosaurs and insects , reptiles, Dinosaurs Rule and evolve into those we see to day and then Dinosaurs Die!
The Death of the Dinosaurs allowed the next great event to take place.... If the Dinosaurs had of survived then God would not have had the experience to get the next step right nor would the earth have been habitable for us..... this whole process takes about 2.5 billion years also....

Day 6
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


As the Earth and the creatures which are left after the exinction of the dinosarus begin to grow and evolve we see the rise of the mammels and the Earliest "human"...... it is fair to say that after the beasts have been created the first Humans appear it would also be fair to say the several forms of humans would have also formed from the beasts which God placed upon the Earth, Neanderthals etc which showed themselves not equipped to stand up to the changing conditions which have been put upon them ie the Last Ice Age, it would have been just prior to this event that modern man arrived on the scene....Humans as we know them today us. This only takes around 5 million years... practice....

It is fair I think to argue this point.... The rules which a God may have set for us can only come about with planning...
In the Universe Time scales can seem vastly different then we see them here.....
As from what I have been told God is Immortal and as such would not view their time the same as ours, it would be also fair to think that allowing has creations to evolve, would give a God the power to weed out things which may not work properly hence the death of the Dinosaurs.....

This also would mean that both sides are right Science and Religion..... There is no reason, nothing in Biblical text that this is not the case......

Unless God had practiced on other forms of beings such as the dinosaurs Neaderthals and alike how would God know what works.....

The Alternate answer to the Question of Evolution vs Creation is that we are either just Accidents of nature or God practiced on other worlds until he/she got it right then came here..... this would mean intelligent life on other planets....

When the all bugs are worked out of the system then you make final copy to take over and run the workings.....

After it is now stranger to beleive an entity who lives forever can create a entire cosmos, life, and an entire eco system in the equivalant of 6 earth days than it is to think the same Being could take as long they wanted to get it right .... is it...

Another year!

I have been surprised to see all the discussions on premonitions for this year.

All of which are of death and destruction...

Isnt there anything good that will happen this year or is just a matter of perspective... after all one mans trash is anothers treasure...

It is true to say that the dooms dayers are saying we are now closer to the end days eg 2012.... but what do you think...

The latest is the Bible Code...

Heres is one I found today at: http://satansrapture.blogspot.com/2008/01/2008-and-bible-code.html

2008 and The Bible Code

The Bible Code has some very dire predictions fof 2008 AD, the Hebrew year of 5768. As these codes deal with the wicked actions of men, it is possible some of these codes can be averted or prevented as opposed to codes about earthquakes or comet impact. Here are the Bible Code I found for 2008.

1) ASSASSINATION OF BARACK OBAMA

2) ASSASSINATION OF JOHN EDWARDS

3) MAY 2008- TERROR ATTACK- PHILADELPHIA

If this attack happens, events will trigger The First Rapture and the Start of the Tribulation by SEPT 2008.

http://www.satansrapture.com/philacode.htm

WATCH AND BE READY

Pastor Harry/CH of PHL-INT

So what do think is this a load on nonsense or do you believe everything you are told is in the bible...?

Do you take a more optimistic like at the year?