Swiss charge Pakistani over 'honor killing' of wife

What comes so naturally to muslims, is enough to curdle the blood of infidels. "Bludgeoned with a hammer".

"Born in Pakistan, Khudeja Aziz was brought up in Switzerland and was a citizen of the Alpine country."

This clearly has nothing to do with the Religion of Peace and Tolerance and Respect Toward Women (TM). It is obvious that the Swiss culture had something to do with it.

But what? I know. If they hadn't been living in Switzerland, she would not have been so uppity and forgotten her place.

"Aziz claimed that he acted in self-defense after being attacked by his wife."

What did she do, throw herself against the hammer repeatedly in an effort to body blow him to death?

20 years old and murdered because she wouldn't wear her scarf and wanted a divorce. Dearest God in heaven. May she rest in peace.

You can't blame this poor guy though. He's just reacting to islamophobia. It is our fault, really. He's a victim to the tyranny of the West. We clearly need our governments to spend another fortune on "anti-racist" programs. To hell with the poverty that high taxes create, we have islamophobia to fight.

Got to use the money people pay in tax to combat their resistence to being colonized by muslim barbarians. It's only fair.

Yes, he probably became mentally ill after being subjected to severe Islamophobia, and had no choice but to kill his wife with a hammer. It could happen to anyone.

Muslim women aren't even safe in Western countries. If they decide to go native, they'll be killed. Muslims make their own laws, no matter where they are.

Not long ago in Finland, a Somali girl was severely beaten with iron rods by her two brothers because she refused an arranged marriage (the groom was reportedly related to the bride). The brothers argued in court that it's acceptable to beat their sister with iron rods in their culture. The court reduced their sentence based on this sound logic. Another fine victory for multiculturalism and Somali women.

XY and Jesus,

you're right. The best way to avoid this sort of crimes in the future is to arrange more consciousness-raising programs to Western Islamophobic Infidels about Islam's respect for women.

CAIR has some true horror stories of islamophobia. There was one muslim who felt he was being stared at in a shopping mall. What could be worse? You bet his wife got a severe beating that night. Think of that the next time, all you starers out there. And please, think of the children. Why can't anyone think of the children?

I can imagine that in a mind that is so screwed up from brainwashing that the girl who was murdered was attacking his very existence as a person. The defence "she was attacking me" could in fact mean that he saw her desire to go to work as an attack upon his person.

The same goes for the idea of a woman requesting a divorce. It would be unheard of for a woman to want a divorce, but it is ok for the man to divorce his wife and send her into poverty.

This "religion" is nothing more than another name for slavery.

Bring on the Catholic-Protestant Crusades!!!!

Check out this story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/26/world/europe/26italy.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Honour killing of a daughter by her Pakistani father in Italy.

"The tragedy ballooned into a cause célèbre after media reports alleged that Ms. Saleem had been killed because her traditionalist Muslim father objected to her Western lifestyle. She smoked and wore revealing, low-slung jeans like many young women. News reports said she had been living with an Italian man. Her body was found after her boyfriend reported her missing."

Wassat? Huh? Whaaa? A muslim committed an 'honor killing'? Really? Oh...uh...umm...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Busines as usual for islam.

Just one more example of the savages deciding that they just cant join the 21st century; "sure we can live with your modern conveniences but we really want to exist like 942 a.d. bedouins".

We will continue to see things like this happen, again and again and again....and again...and one more time now, until a decision is made to throw these people out. Its not just the wives, its everyone everywhere everyday, we cant even take a Chapstick on a plane anymore because these ANIMALS have made that impossible.

Beating your wife to death with a hammer because she wouldnt cover her hair is a symptom of the larger problem of these men being tribal morons who just cant face modernity. An entire culture of people who seem to have been born retarded, and we have to deal with them because fate decided to put huge pools of oil beneath their bare and dirty feet.

Muslim women must really be weak, dealing with this crap day in and day out. I hope one day they find their voice and deal with the savages who seek to control them.

Battering your sleeping wife to death is an ancient Swiss custom as introduced in the 10th century by Islamic traders. William Tell was the best hammer thrower when he smashed the apple off his son's head. Later he split his wife's head from a distance of 30 feet.

It will probably end up as a sport in the World Alpine Islamic Games one day alongside 1 man Bobsleigh Goat Seduction, Downhill Infidel Stoning and Giant Beheading Slalom.

So much for the argument that the hijab and other islamic practices are voluntery on the part of muslims. while it's true that the muslim men may not forceibly tie a hijab around his women's head the fact is that muslim will use threats of islamic punishment to force their women to do just about anything.
From the day they are born muslim women are made to feel evil inferior being who are one step away from hell unless they are subservient to allah and the koran and their men.

Isn't there some way that all travel to and from Pakistan can be made illegal? No immigration allowed from there? No vacations. No travel for schooling( well that should have been done already, look at the schools).

The US has some kind of law against travel to Cuba doesn't it? Surely with all the criminal types coming from Pakistan it should be taken off the list of countries where travel is allowed? Why can't this be done? It seems like almost every islamic criminal, every murderer is from Pakistan lately. Or traveled there recently.

No travel in or out. No immigration from Pakistan. It is the country of the pure anyway. Why would they want to leave?

If Turkey joins the EU, with the population movements it would lead to, this sort of thing would become a popular leisure time activity within the Community. I wish the US would stop doing everything it can to facilitate Turkish entry: the project is once again nearly on the rocks over Cyprus and the Americans are stepping in to try and sort things out

The EU Observer explains:
"Washington's diplomatic intervention is in line with its long-term strategic goal to integrate Turkey, a key NATO ally placed in the centre of the Muslim world, into western structures."

see:
http://euobserver.com/9/22302/?rk=1

BORG, Think of pakis as indians with bad attitude and religion. you know how indians can be you know, stubborn, hard to get along with at imes, argumantive, cheap, etc. but as hindus they are easy to get along with. now make them muslims and what you have are some of the most stubborn, meanest muthas in the world. they have a huge inferiority compex with respect to their much beloved arab muslims, and they wish to be the super muslims with no recognization of their indian roots. thats a paki.

Peterborough, I'm rolling. Great post.

It's a funny thing that women in general are more positive to immigration than men. The commited feminists hate "white heterosexual men" and there is no end to the criticism directed at them. But they generally don't have much to say on the topic of Islam.

Those who do not realize the greatness of the West should be condemned and mocked at every turn.

"Aziz claimed that he acted in self-defense after being attacked by his wife."

Isn't this what they always say when going on attack? That's all attacks are "self defense"?

Ho hum, another 'dishonor killing' in self-defense. So what? It's only half-a-murder against a woman, if that. The courts will find leniency for this 'one act of self-defense' by a maddened 'Asian' pressured by intensely abusive European tolerance and freedom of dress in that evil multicultural society... It was only self-defense!

Have you noticed how muslim males are frightened of sleeping women? This isn't the first woman killed while she slept.

Januaryman, how about "ignoble killing"?

That does seem to fit better.

"This isn't the first woman killed while she slept."

One wonders if she wrote a poem mocking him. Or was he simply trying to be more Mohammed than Mohammed?

She "dared" to become an equal by making her own decisions to work, not wear the stifling clothes, and to OH NO! DIVORCE HIM! He could no longer CONTROL her, so he murdered her. More manly to go to prison than have a wife make her own decisions. muslim male thinking.

Muslims, out of their desperate desire to be a superior culture fail to see how with each murder, they expose Islam as a complete cultural failure.

"Rightly guided path" indeed. It is sad that so many will suffer the horror of murder but for each precious life taken, the nature of Islam and the fruitless ego of male Muslim "honor" will be hard wired into history.

Islam is a failure,
Allah is a myth,
Mohammed an extinct(and quite dead) madman.

Peterborough posted: Battering your sleeping wife to death is an ancient Swiss custom.

Thats great Peterborough. I knew it was an old Swiss custom. Hitting your near and dear with hammers, shooting at their heads with crossbows - all part of Swiss culture.

There was a case in the UK a few months back where a muslim woman shook her baby to death. In court, she claimed this was a cultural difference (!!!!) and so the judge gave her a reduced sentence.

I think XY is on the same page as me. A great bumper sticker would be "Islam..it's a GUY thing". The feminist don't seem to get it or notice. It always seems to me to be a boys club of some sort. Look at the coverage it gets in the media do you ever see women in the crowd. And I have to admit they (the boys) are pumped up. Maybe for us guys it won't be so bad when the West is taking over by islam. Fot the women though..

I think XY is on the same page as me. A great bumper sticker would be "Islam..it's a GUY thing". The feminist don't seem to get it or notice. It always seems to me to be a boys club of some sort. Look at the coverage it gets in the media do you ever see women in the crowd. And I have to admit they (the boys) are pumped up. Maybe for the guys it won't be so bad when the West is taking over by islam. For the women though..

Well, what do you know?

The hijab does protect women.

From their fathers...their husbands...their sons...their brothers, and uncles.

And, maybe most significantly, from their prophets.

...

Geoff

"Have you noticed how muslim males are frightened of sleeping women? This isn't the first woman killed while she slept."

- freewoman

Be it not in good taste, but...

Verily for a Westerner you have noticed the commandment of Mohammed. For it is not said of the Prophet, as narrated by Mustaf al-Kofi:

Sahih al-Kofi: O you idolaters! Know ye not that there are ten things which are impure: an infidel; a word, deed or thought against Allah; making equals of people of other religions; a fart during prayer; being nice to your Jewish neighbour; urine; feces; urine and feces together; a pig; and a woman while she is on her menses, or uncovered, or sleeping, or breathing. Is she drunk? Or is she just lazy? Or plotting? Who knows? But verily, Allah knoweth, and it may be that Allah wants you to hammer a person that you maybe do not want to hammer, but Allah knoweth that which is good and that which is not good, and he knoweth who should be hammered and who not hammered, and there is much hammering that is done and not done by the infidel, and verily Allah will hammer them later, or cause them to be hammered; and he doeth want you to give her the Maxwell, as it is written in the Injeel, and also the White Album. For Allah is Seer, Knower, Home Depot Man.

Assalamau-Laikum all,

This is indeed a sad story....poor woman.

I have said in other posts that there now seems a divide between muslims and wuslims (muslims born in the West). Increasingly, peoples from the west do not want to marry their purer cousins from Pak.

I first saw this trend from my Sikh friends (who don't marry cousins) who I went to school with.

They decided many many years ago that they did not want to marry someone from India. Hmmm, a little strange I thought ..but never mind...I thought she had fallen in love with someone local.

This disease however now it seems is spreading to Pak too. Muslimas in the west it seems like to show off their hair, in diverse conflict with the men from Pak.

Actually this is true usually with men from villages, in Lahore there is not much pressure to wear head garb (I don't do it myself often).

This poor woman had probably got married to a villager.....one who had plenty of the "red mist" around his head...divorce..he thought..."what will my friend back in the village say to me, when I am sent packing back to my village".

I had told them "I am the DON, I can straighten any woman..., I'll bring her back to my village in a hijab...and my friends will envy me" and he was thinking "Divorce....AHHHHH , if I "sort" her out at least I will keep my dignity with the villagers".

So now all will be talking to his family in the village... "your son has done you proud"...the other womens will say to his mum...."Wild slutty womens must know their place...and putting on the scarf is high priority".

Please note that this kind of thing does not happen with the Ahmadi..so you are still safe within Islam with the Ahmadi...conversion is still OK.

My own son is courting an infedel woman with a view to marrying her and settling in Pak...a bit like I did really...so it's not all gloom.

Stories of muslim women segregated and beated are coming up DAILY in italian newspapers. ALL the times with interviews with brothers and family males saying it's a good thing that a muslim woman hanging out with westerners is beaten to death.

More muslim love from Chechen. See the video of a pregnant woman tortured by muslims.

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/world/index.html

Hmmm. The article says that this Mo Jr. was a Swiss citizen. I'm curious as to why AFP threw in the "Pakistani man" reference--especially in the headline. Isn't that out of character for a wire service? Wouldn't the typical wire-service headline say something like "Swiss Charge Citizen Over Honor Killing of Wife?"

Perhaps it's the ME Times' headline, and not AFP...

Nazeem: "purer cousins from Pakistan"?

What an odd choice of terms. Why "purer"?

Prophet Geoff

I first saw this trend from my Sikh friends (who don't marry cousins) who I went to school with.

Sikhs, or any other Indians settled outside India, don't have to marry someone from India to import them abroad. Some may, but many choose to marry people in their adapted countries itself - either from the Indian diaspora, or from locals themselves. And note that unlike Muslims, there isn't any de-facto rule that it's okay for Indian men to marry White women, but not okay for Indian women to marry White men. Nor is it incumbent on White or other non-Indian spouses to embrace Hinduism or Sikhism (indeed, in Sikhism, the only way one can convert to it is if one is a non-Sikh woman who marries a Sikh man.) I have known quite a few people who married outside their communities, and there was no family disapproval of such moves. This is because there isn't an underlying motive to conquer all these new spouses into the Khalsa Panth (in this example).

Fortunately, I don't know anyone who has married a Muslim, and I hope it stays that way. I think by & large, most Indians probably know what it entails.

Please note that this kind of thing does not happen with the Ahmadi..so you are still safe within Islam with the Ahmadi...conversion is still OK.

Naseem's son obviously will be commanded to convert the filthy infidel wife, to further spread the Islamic war virus.

Islam is a warrior code masquerading as a religion. Naseem, I pity you and your delusions.

Naseem, we wild slutty women who don't wear burkas and hijabs, know our place. And our place is EVERYWHERE we want to be! It's ridiculous how muslims always equate a woman's reputation and purity on a freaking headscarf.

Hair. It's so evil.

What would Freud say about muslim males and honor killings?

Yep. Overcompensation.

There are many tools at hand to deal with the problem of Moslem lawlessness if only the will to do so were also in place.

Western family law is one such tool. Agressive, pro-active pursuit of human rights abuses within Moslem settlements in Western jurisdictions -without any cultural relativism diluting the effort- would help reduce the number of such incidents in the first place, potentially encourage defection by Moslem women from the cultural/social ghetto imposed by traditional Islam, send a message to male Moslems that such cruel, unjust behavior as exhibited by Ajmal Aziz will be dealt with quickly and harshly and will otherwise remove malefactors from circulation. Depending upon the particulars of the offense, repatriation of the convicted criminal to his country of origin could be considered after completion of his sentence.

Al Capone did not get nailed for his many violations of the Volstead Act during Prohibition in the US, nor for the many murders he ordered as part of that activity. He got tried for and convicted of income tax evasion. Hardly just desserts, but a first step in learning how to deal with the lawlessness of organized crime. Similarly, given the parallels between Moslem codes of behavior and that of organized crime, any and all legal tools should be used to ensure that Moslem presence in the West meets Western social mores, not the other way around.

Any woman seeking a divorce from a typical NMM (narcissistic muslim male) should be sleeping in a location unknown to him.

Prophet Geoff (pbuh), great post. One kind of hammering not condoned by allah was the one done by Charles at Poitiers.

Why is it any time a muslim commits a crime like this they are called insane? Like the guy who shot up the Jewish center, the guys that drove their cars into people? The guy from Afganistan who converted to christianity was declared insane by the clerics.

"Please note that this kind of thing does not happen with the Ahmadi..so you are still safe within Islam with the Ahmadi...conversion is still OK."

Please note that nasheem is too stupid to realize that as soon as the real muslims will notice she will be downgraded to 3rd class citizen in a nick of time.

Ignorance is bliss in nasheem's empty head.

The commited feminists hate "white heterosexual men" and there is no end to the criticism directed at them. But they generally don't have much to say on the topic of Islam. Posted by xy

And you know this how oh omnescient one> Same with you skip, are you guys god and can read minds and know all things?

FYI, Feminists like RAWA (Revolutionary Association of Women in Afghanistan) have been trying for years to get attention to the plight of muslim women, but have not only been ignored, but chastised and accused of stirring up trouble. A good example is that "conservative" hard right anti communist Eric Margolis, who laid into RAWA.

The Repugnicans and neo cons certainly had no problem (and still don't) with the way Islam treats it's women,, Bush only made a cause celebre out of the Afghan women when he was building an emotional consensus to bomb Afghanistan, and now that the deed is done, and the women of Afghanistan are still in Burqa's and the women of Iraq are now forced into Chador/Abaya (they were, under Saddam the most free and liberated women in the Arab world)..Bush ain't saying jack shi'ite, nor is he owning up to the fact that he and the neo cons have wasted our money and blood to create the very first Islamic Theocracy in Iraq since the Ottomans, and a theocraacy that is an ally and satrapy of Iran.

"Not long ago in Finland, a Somali girl was severely beaten with iron rods by her two brothers because she refused an arranged marriage (the groom was reportedly related to the bride)."

OMG, not Finland! This country was mentioned, along with Iceland, in Bruce Bawer's amazing and infuriating book "While Europe Slept" as one of the very few European countries that have almost no immigrants, and therefore have not been overtaken by multiculti insanity. Are they finally starting to catch up with the rest of their European brethren? How sad.

One of the key points Bawer was making in his book was that most European countries have taken a completely self-destructive approach to immigration. Immigration is not a bad thing in itself (I speak as an immigrant.) Bending over backwards to accommodate the endlessly diverse cultural and religious demands of every new immigrant group, rather than insisting that immigrant groups be the ones to adapt (as was always done in the U.S., to its credit), has been suicidal to most of Europe.

He wasn't implying that Iceland and Finland had any great secret in dealing more reasonably with immigration, just that, presumably, nobody wanted to move there. Now apparently Finland is getting immigrants, and not the good kind. And dealing with it in the same idiotic way as the rest of Europe. Iceland, close your ports...

Supercop and Borg,

Every non-Muslim country should completely ban the immigration of all Muslim men. Muslim women should be offered easy asylum provided they publicly disavow Islam and agree to marry only non-Muslim men.

This will accomplish three things.
1: It will remove large numbers of potential breeders of jihadists from Muslim societies.

2: add potential breeders to non-Muslim nations who face demographic decline.

3: It will help sow the seeds of distrust between men still in Muslim countries and their wives or daughters, since the women would have an effective incentive to escape the Umma.

FedUp,

Great post of the video of Chechen Militsia torturing the pregnant Chechen woman for the "crime" of simply being accused of a relationship with a Slavic Christian man. This may be un-Christian of me but the only solution to Russia's Chechen problem is the total extermination of every Chechen male older than eleven.

Given a choice between Finland and Somalia, it's a no-brainer. Now if it was a choice between
Somalia and an untreatable std....?

Indeed, dividing the various camps of islam needn't be limited to shi'a vs sunni vs sufi, etc. The West could do more to alienate the "haves" (post-pubescent males) from the "have-nots" (women and children) of the islamic cesspool -- especially that portion of it that festers within the borders of Western countries.

Naseem, you said "...Increasingly, peoples from the west do not want to marry their purer cousins from Pak."
Purer?!? LOL! How?!? People educated in the West have realized the dangers of inbreeding, something the inbred masses in Pakiland have not apparently. Ever hear of genetics and recessive genes? Inbreeding, especially over prolonged periods will produce more genetic abnormalities and reduced cognitive ability. Simply stated, you marry your cousins often enough (reduce the gene pool) and after a few generations you get a bunch of inbred retards often with physical deformities. Sounds like Pakiland to me. No wonder the Sikhs are light years ahead of you people. Reduced mental capacity from excessive inbreeding could very well explain your fellow countrymens fascination with "honor killings" as well as why they are able to accept islam without question. Anything that requires rational thought is beyond their limited mental capability. They are too retarded to see that while preserving their own fragile "honor" they heap dishonor on their "religion" and nation by their actions.
Regardless of what branch you belong to, islam is nothing but a filthy, perverse cult that was founded by a seventh century illiterate terrorist and pedophile. Assyougottalickem to you too.

The question is how on earth did this 'person' become a Swiss citizen in the first place. It is supposed to be very difficult to gain Swiss citizenship, as it involves a rigorous vetting procedure, fluency in the native tongue(s) and an exam on Swiss history and culture. In theory anyway. It is not a central government office that decides but the community the individual lives in. It is possible that down in the Italian speaking canton,where this atrocity occurred, they are less careful. They certainly slipped up with this psychopath and should learn from it.

"FYI, Feminists like RAWA (Revolutionary Association of Women in Afghanistan) have been trying for years to get attention to the plight of muslim women, but have not only been ignored, but chastised and accused of stirring up trouble. A good example is that "conservative" hard right anti communist Eric Margolis, who laid into RAWA."

I read carefully the RAWA site a couple of years ago and I found there the USUAL muslim retoric/victimhood/blame anybody else mentality.

They didn't accept anything, taliban, karzai, usa, freedom etc. And of course there was total bashing of USA.

As always helping muslim people ends up in upsetting them. We should stop.

"OMG, not Finland! This country was mentioned, along with Iceland, in Bruce Bawer's amazing and infuriating book "While Europe Slept" as one of the very few European countries that have almost no immigrants, and therefore have not been overtaken by multiculti insanity. Are they finally starting to catch up with the rest of their European brethren? How sad."

Visited Helsinki 2 years ago and I stayed with a family in a "normal" neighbourhood.

Not only the child of a somali family was bullying the naive and friendly native finnish children but the finnish families told me straight away the same mantra we all know. The somali family was on total welfare, whatever they needed (TV set, forniture, money etc) was freely given to them by social services etc.

But this family was from the working class, I suppose they have the socialist intellectuals lecturing them about the white man's burden and how to welcome immigration.

I don't have first hand figures, it could be muslim immigration in finland is less in percentage than other countries, but finns are only 5 millions so it's easy to increase percentages.

Provoslavni, what you suggest is impossible.

IT has been proven time and time again that muslim women WANT to remain slaves of islam.

Remember the Paki girl murdered by her father in italy? When she was alive she never mentioned to convert or give up her religion formally EVEN if she was about to marry one italian guy.

There's another event like this in italy right now. A Tunis girl has been beaten and segregated by the father for speaking to westerners. Once at the police she said muslim girls have to "rebel" against those treatment but added that she wants to remain muslim, which is a total CONTRADICTION.

AS you can see muslim women are exactly like MEN.

Bohemond, nasheem cannot understand the "imbred" explanation because she's inbred herself, therefore... well you got it.

Fedup, you're right. Trying to teach muslims to reason and think logicly is like trying to teach pigs to sing and dance. Regardless of ones best efforts, they always return to wallow in their own filth. If you put a dress on a pig all you get is a pig in a dress.

Launch Radio Networks reports: Freddie Mercury would have been 60 years old next Tuesday (September 5), but there's some dispute in his homeland about whether he should be celebrated. The late QUEEN frontman was born Farrokh Bulsara on the East African island of Zanzibar, which is now part of Tanzania, and some conservative Muslims want to block any official recognition of the man or the day. Abdallah Said Ali, who is the leader of the group The Association For Islamic Mobilization And Propagation, wrote to the local culture ministry and said that because the singer was gay and died of AIDS, "Associating Mercury with Zanzibar degrades our island as a place of Islam." Ali also wrote, "Allowing such a function for a person known outside Zanzibar as a homosexual tarnishes the name of Zanzibar... Let us protect our good culture."

Not everyone agrees, however. Simai Mohamed Saidi, who owns a theme restaurant called "Mercury's," is moving forward with a party on Saturday (September 2), and he told the AFP news service, "I plan to ask the authorities to advocate Mercury because he was an artist who advertised Zanzibar abroad."

There's been no official response from the government either for or against honoring Mercury.

According to AFP, Zanzibar is almost 99 percent Muslim, though most are thought to be moderate, and the local government works hard to balance the desires of observant Muslims with the tourism industry and people who lead more secular lives.

"in Lahore there is not much pressure to wear head garb (I don't do it myself often)."

I hope you have a life insurance policy. Does it cover compensation for women who do not wear the headscarf? Do you have to add war participation clauses to get the life insurance in such a case?

I read carefully the RAWA site a couple of years ago and I found there the USUAL muslim retoric/victimhood/blame anybody else mentality. They didn't accept anything, taliban, karzai, usa, freedom etc. And of course there was total bashing of USA. As always helping muslim people ends up in upsetting them. We should stop. Posted by: FedUp

However, that doesn't imply that they should be taken seriously. They'd like UN/Western troops permanently stationed in Afghanistan, while they continue to slam them should any Afghan get killed in an altercation with these peacekeepers. In fact, even during Operation Enduring Freedom, they made it a point to publicize US attacks on 'innocent civilians'.

During the US invasion of Iraq, RAWA was one of the many 'blood for oil' demonstrators protesting against this move. Also, in their much earlier position statements on their websites, since removed, they stated their support for separatist movements in Kurdistan, Bosnia, Palestine and Kashmir. Aside from Kurdistan, sounds like their goals aren't any different from Jihadists. Probably Naseem's cup of tea.

From freewoman

"Naseem, we wild slutty women who don't wear burkas and hijabs, know our place. And our place is EVERYWHERE we want to be! It's ridiculous how muslims always equate a woman's reputation and purity on a freaking headscarf.

Hair. It's so evil."

Hear, Hear, Feeewoman! The scariest thing in the world to these muslim men is not bombs, racial profiling, or torture -it is a strong, independant, educated, feminist, free-thinking woman. Thanks for being a shining example of a free woman for the oppressed and brain-washed women of Islam.

Nariz

"the women of Afghanistan are still in Burqa's and the women of Iraq are now forced into Chador/Abaya (they were, under Saddam the most free and liberated women in the Arab world)..Bush ain't saying jack shi'ite, nor is he owning up to the fact that he and the neo cons have wasted our money and blood to create the very first Islamic Theocracy in Iraq since the Ottomans."

100% aggreement

"the women of Afghanistan are still in Burqa's and the women of Iraq are now forced into Chador/Abaya (they were, under Saddam the most free and liberated women in the Arab world)..Bush ain't saying jack shi'ite, nor is he owning up to the fact that he and the neo cons have wasted our money and blood to create the very first Islamic Theocracy in Iraq since the Ottomans."

I missed this ignorant statement.

Well, well, it sucks to buy the anti-western propaganda ALL the time isn't it? Hear this story.

Back in the 80s the father of a friend of mine was sent to IRAQ to put a working platform for some important top-company based in italy. Back in those days nobody even knew what islam was and nowadays everybody is SO sure Saddam's times were liberal, prosperous, secular and stuff.

FALSE!

This man told me the iraqi people were religious fanatics even back then so much that they used to STOP for prayers 5 times a day (LIKE IN SAUDI Arabia). Now, it's pretty strange that a FOREIGN top company comes to iraq to set a factory/platform and people take time to pray collectively during work time. This in SECULAR iraq in the 80s.

They were also pretty violent, ready to kill each other over minor things, another thing he told me is that they used to pride themselves they were NOT drinkers (when talking to naive italians) even telling them that drinking wine (as most italians do) is a cardinal sin. Well, hiding themselves they were drinking and getting drunk, worse than the average westerner.

This was the situation back in Saddam land told by someone WHO WAS THERE.

I don't buy for a second that women were free. The country was already violent, backward and religiously bigotted.

Any prominent woman coming out of Iraq during those times? I doubt.

Muslim women's bitching in islam is eternal so if you see them wearing back burkas etc it's also because they WANT to as a slap to the west that tried to free them. That's how muslim women are.

I read an interview with an afghan woman sent to Rome to learn to be a nurse. She had painted nails, western dresses, she got paid to attend that school, she visited Rome and all she had to say was BITCHING at USA for invading Afghanistan.

Fedup, just the typical ad-hominem attacks from the anti-Bush crowd, as always without any reference or facts to back up their riciculous claims. But they know that if they say anything bad about Bush, Republicans, or conservatives it must be true! That post-menopausal media whore Cindy Shehan would be proud.

Fedup, it never ceases to amaze me how these liberals ignore the fact that Saddam violated the agreements he signed after the first Gulf War, continually fired on coalition aircraft, used poison gas against the Kurds and Iranians but had no WMDs, had documents showing he was in contact with al-queda and had their # 3 man in Iraq but had no connections with al-queda, how somehow this is al about oil though we are getting no oil from Iraq and how they claim that Iraq was the most educated, progressive islamic nation back then, but now Iran has somehow gained that position. To me the "most educated progressive islamic nation" is like saying "the prettiest pig in the pen".

'The scariest thing in the world to these muslim men is not bombs, racial profiling, or torture -it is a strong, independant, educated, feminist, free-thinking woman...'

Also, all muslims are terrified of pigs and pork !

Bohemond,
Or, "The most perfect speciman in the petri dish".

There are many tools at hand to deal with the problem of Moslem lawlessness...

When I first read that sentence, I read:

There are many hand tools to deal with the problem of moslem lawlessness...

LOL.

Magari.

All I can say is that if women wish to stay alive in this new century in the west, they better become the most fanatical anti-muslim fighters. Once the Christian men are dead, they will be left with muslim men. They'll get very tired of a marriage like that, because with a muslim husband, they'll never be able to sleep.

Nariz: Yes, it may very well be the case that feminists in muslim nations are better than the western ones. They see with their own eyes what Islam means to them, while the western feminists are at a safe distance. And not all commited feminists even in West are corrupt, but most of the time when the say something in media or elsewhere, it tends to be anti-West, anti-USA, anti-western men (though not pro-muslim men, but silence), and pro-left. Western feminists should be in the frontline fighting the islamization, so where are they?

And of course you are right about Bush. There are few leaders in West saying and doing the right things in regard to Islam.

Arjun, alternately "the prettiest turd in the toilet" but I don't know if Robert will let that one stay up.

Oh, and I have to mention this blog post by Fjordman titled "Confessions of an ex-Feminist":

http://tinyurl.com/jjo85

Quoting a quote from that post:

"In Sydney Australia, two Pakistan-born Muslims were found guilty of gang rapes of two teenage girls. Muslim men have been roaming Sydney gang, raping non-Muslim women, calling them "Aussie pigs" and "sluts" who ask for it. But feminist reaction was not praise; it was hostility. They were outraged over the “racism” of the strict punishments given to the Muslims rapists. Feminists pounced on the issue of rape not because they cared about rape victims, but because it allowed them to spread class warfare. Spreading scare tactics about rape allowed them to make women feel like “victims.” Victimhood is a precondition for socialism. Despite what Shirin Ebadi says, the problem for women in the Middle East is not “the patriarchy,” it is Islam. Muslims are literally given a free pass to do whatever they want – including raping women."

And read the article "Feminists Pave the Way for Women to be Raped":

http://tinyurl.com/pkgsz

The time is coming and hopefully sooner than later, when the people of the West and of Christian countries are going to have to forget to 'turn the other cheek' and crush these creatures and their cult of hate.

These anti- Christ, anti- humanity, anti- everything b-----ds need to be removed from the world if the world is to survive.

DEMAND THAT THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH BE GIVEN OUT LET THE MOTTO BE "TRUTH, AND MORE TRUTH" its the only way to get public opinion to change, + the passing of laws in non -muslin lands to allow the free people of those lands to live freely. Wow, did I really say that?? the basic right to live free in a land where freedom is the law of the land! unbelievable! We have to pass a law, wow!! Well it just goes to show you freedom its free unless you are ready willing and able to stand and defend it! And some of us are plain "yellow". Some would rather surrender than stand and deliver. Someone please give them the Mulsin majic declaretion of safety allah allah allah and Mo his prophet No god but allah, in arabic of course!! I would personally put in a dollar to send them to their new and improved country where their life will be just wonderfull.

WE HAVE TO DO MORE THAN JUST TALK, WE CANN'T BE THE ONLY ONE INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH AND INTERESTED IN PRESERVING OUR WAY OF LIFE. WE MUST DEMAND ACCOUNTABILTY FROM OUR NEWS REPORTERS, OUR LEADERS, ALL OFFICIALS IN POWER!
WE HAVE TOO MUCH TO LOSE, AND TELLING THE NEXT GENERATION WE'RE SORRY WE BLEW IT IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE!! - WE IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE GREATEST GIVE "FREEDOM" - ITS LOSS IS NOT ONLY UNACCEPTABLE BUT UNFORGIVABLE.

If we will not even get up and fight for the truth - will might all as well surrender because our cause is lost. They don't have the way the truth or the life. And while you may not believe in Jesus, your right to believe in anything will be taken away, & if that doesn't mean anything go now & avoid the rush to the land of Islamic opportunity.

Lets do something people demand truth and that laws be passed protecting us, yes us!! - we're important too. Let them call us names - who cares, if it works, it works!!- if it doesn't it won't matter!! STAND AND DELIVER PEOPLE!!!!

FedUp,

Sadly, you're probably right that most Muslim women have been so socialized into a slave mentality that what I suggested is impossible. However, in the current situation, Muslim women, even in the West, are still subjected to this male terror. If they were truly freed from those restrictions by being the only ones allowed to remain after the men were expelled, then my proposal might work.

Naseem, I would tell you to 'go to hell' but since you're a woman, claim to be a legitimate muslimah and are in Pakistan.... you're already there.

It's your choice - free yourself. The chains of Hell are loose-fitting. You decide.

Naseem - "Global Report on Birth Defects" found Seven of the 10 countries with the highest birth defect rates are Muslim nations with a tradition of intermarriage of blood relatives, accounting for at last 20 percent of deformities there. In addition, the report said that the advancing average age of child-bearing women worldwide increases the risk of conditions such as Down syndrome." Yep, really a progressive,
enlightened religion that islam. Another islamo-fact you can be proud of, Naseem.

americaningermany, just because the person(s) posting under the name "Naseem" says it doesn't make it true. You can tell a muslim is lying if their lips are moving amd sound is heard coming from them.

naseem, you make my stomach hurt. I'm sorry, (unlike the rest of civilization) your muslim boys arn't man enough to keep their peters in their pocket when they see (GASP!) a womans lock of hair. I guess allah screwed up when he gave Women hair. I'd like a comment back, as this is absolutly undisputable.