So Europe is becoming Islamic... As much as I find that hard to believe I also don't understand why do European youngsters are urged to move? What's the real plague here? As far as I am concerned Europe is the perfect continent to life, it's small but powerful, it's the engine of the world, why should people ever move? I would never pack my bags and go just because Muslim people are moving in.
Gordman at Charlotte moving companies

Our governments are failing us for they are not protecting us from this invasion and they seem to be willing accomplices. Perhaps they are due to intimidation, but someone strong in each of the Western nations must arise and lead the free peoples ruthlessly waging war against the tyranny of Islam. We need to protect and preserve all that we have. We need to be willing to fight for and when fighting against tyranny we must be willing to kill for it.
I am in America, but we too need a strong leader for we are not far behind.
FLLEGAL,
You're right. We aren't far behind but our demise may come at the hands of our own home grown terrorists whose predations against Whites are approaching epidemic proportions. Euro-Americans are daily being victimized by Blacks via murder, rape, random assaults, home invasions, carjackings etc.
We've also lost our will to defend ourselves mainly because PC has rendered our Justice system impotent and our media are on a cover up campaign vis a vis the reality of what's going on in the US. Our government by it's silence is complicit in this "Dirty War" being waged against us.
 

I have faith that Europe will be again a place of mixed-cultures and free circulation. The young people these days have no faith at all or are religious fanatics. I don't get it why we have to be in an extreme or another and we can't simply choose the middle path. After a wave of terrorism and natural calamities we have to consider a massive flood damage repair and get back on track otherwise we will all end up as messed-up middle-aged people.

who are able to choose between two bad things:
1. A tighter rule of Western values as we have had them for more 1000 years until we get a most needed new international monetary system that we have been without since 1971 to secure we stick to them - the values.
2. Eurabia
We don't hate neither Americans nor Jews. We love them because their way of life is compatible with ours.
Joern, Denmark
http://danmark.wordpress.com/tag/english-oder-deutsches-version/

http://danmark.wordpress.com/2006/05/19/new-monetary-system/

"North America and Australasia are not ancestral homelands for the Europeans; they were depots for Europe's excess population. These territories cannot be claimed under the principle of national sovereignty, but only for reasons of geopolitical strategy."

Not exactly sure what you mean here, but as I see it, land belongs only to those peoples who are able and willing to populate, defend and administer it. "ancestoral homelands" can be lost as peoples fail to do this. Whites everywhere are failing in all 3 categories and consequently are losing both lands we conquered, and our original homeland. Its not easy to digest, but nature is cruel to those who ignore its laws.

"Additionally, European civilization is based upon national identities, of which race or phenotype is but one of many components."

True, but race is an integral part of the European identities nonetheless -even if its not the only one.

"The United States has the single largest White population of any state in absolute terms."

Yes, but in relative terms (by % and in their distribution) they're worse off than Europe and sinking fast. Besides, Europe as a continuous landmass has many more whites than the US. That is what counts because the coming struggle will be continent-wide. State borders will be so porous that they won't exist in any practical terms.

"Furthermore, it has significant and varied White supremacist, preservationist, and segregationist movements."

I disagree. Although the American WN/paleo-con movement has some respectable people & organisations such as David Duke, Kevin MacDonald, Kevin Strom, Jared Taylor, American Rennaissance, Minutemen, & National Vanguard; overall the American movement has failed to connect with mainstream white America. In Europe by contrast, many groups using various tactics have managed to bring WN issues and ideas to the mainstream political discourse.

"Agreed. However, this struggle will largely come about as a clash between Europe (incl. Russia) with Islam, which is advancing northward from Central Asia, infiltrating the Russian Federation through immigration, and creating conflicts on the latter's peripheries e.g. Chechnya."

True. It won't be an inter-state conflict but intra-state conflict raging in a continent-wide power-vaccuum left by collapsed governments. French nationalist Guillaume Faye desribes it well in his book "cronique d'un cataclysme annonce". You can read a review of it here

http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol3no2/mo-worldwara.html

"In all probability these people will attempt to join the winning side"

Possibly. Many will die when they try to aid their third-world "brothers" and "make a stand against racism", while the more cynical ones will flee and try to return as born-again nationalists once we've done all the dirty work. But we can always cross-reference them with pre-war records to verify if they were involved in anti-white activity, then arrest them for treason.

"No human being is obligated to commit an act of war at risk of their own life or liberty. While pre-emption may be a prudent course of action, self-defence is all that is required of anyone."
OK but look at what Broder is proposing. He's urging young and able whites to flee in the face of adversity rather than defend their homeland of 40.000 years. That is cowardice. In WWI people were shot for having that attitude

"Social Darwinism 101. Unfortunately, such ideas, like yours, National Socialism, and Fascism, are revolutionary and not capable of sustaining a society in peace.

Actually, in the first few years after Hitler took power, German society was very stable and prosperous. Further, I am not a fascist or NS, but more of a "new right" type. Our economic and social ideas haven't been tried all together yet, but some have been tried individually in a non-WN context and have worked well.

Besides that, are our multi-cultural governments really doing a great job of sustaining a society in peace, or protecting our security and sovereignty?

"It is about the racial survival of European-descended people everywhere. America is being invaded by catholic Mexicans, Australia and Canada by non-muslim Chinese..."North America and Australasia are not ancestral homelands for the Europeans; they were depots for Europe's excess population. These territories cannot be claimed under the principle of national sovereignty, but only for reasons of geopolitical strategy. Additionally, European civilization is based upon national identities, of which race or phenotype is but one of many components. Only the National Socialists attempted to equate nationality with phenotype, in Germany, and in the process devastated many other European nations."European people need to fight where they are. Period."Agreed."The article also misses the mark in that Europe is still laregly whiter, and with more nationalist resistance than other western countries, so it is currently the place that stands the best chance for white survival."The United States has the single largest White population of any state in absolute terms. Furthermore, it has significant and varied White supremacist, preservationist, and segregationist movements. "I believe that Euro-Russia will ultimatly be restored as an exclusively white continent, but it will only come about after a cataclysmic struggle that may take decades to overcome, and could possibly half the white population of Europe."Agreed. However, this struggle will largely come about as a clash between Europe (incl. Russia) with Islam, which is advancing northward from Central Asia, infiltrating the Russian Federation through immigration, and creating conflicts on the latter's peripheries e.g. Chechnya."the leftist scumbags and greedy neocons will be brutally slaughtered by the third-worlders they love so much and..."In all probability these people will attempt to join the winning side; note that far more French claim to be in the resistance than there were resistance fighters."...People...who flee will not be allowed back into the reconquered Europe, and will have to live out the remainder of their lives in misery...they were too pathetic to fight for freedom."No human being is obligated to commit an act of war at risk of their own life or liberty. While pre-emption may be a prudent course of action, self-defence is all that is required of anyone."...Europe will be genetically repopulated by the descendants of the strong, resourceful, and tenacious whites who stood and fought...mother nature, through natural selection..."Social Darwinism 101. Unfortunately, such ideas, like yours, National Socialism, and Fascism, are revolutionary and not capable of sustaining a society in peace. Indeed, the latter two movements could only thrive in a climate of revolution and would have stagnated like Communism without conflict or the threat of imminent conflict.

Broder, like most of the writers on this site, is a coward. The LAST thing we need is for young Europeans to emmigrate. All that will do is help the muslims by shifting the demographics even more in their favor, and it would also broadcast loud and clear to the non-white world, what cowards and pushovers whites are -that if they invade our countries we just pack up and run like pussies.

Running from our problems will solve nothing. The only way to solve this is to dig in and prepare to FIGHT LIKE MEN. This has nothing to with "faith", nor is it specific to Europe. It is about the racial survival of European-descended people everywhere. America is being invaded by catholic Mexicans, Australia and Canada by non-muslim Chinese (who can still stand up for themselves despite being largely non-religious, disproving this "faith" BS). European people need to fight where they are. Period.

The article also misses the mark in that Europe is still laregly whiter, and with more nationalist resistance than other western countries, so it is currently the place that stands the best chance for white survival. It seems Broder would sooner see that dim hope thrown away by draining Europe of vital young whites.

As for the future, I am an optimist but a realist as well. I believe that Euro-Russia will ultimatly be restored as an exclusively white continent, but it will only come about after a cataclysmic struggle that may take decades to overcome, and could possibly half the white population of Europe.

There are 2 things I take great solice in though:

1) During the coming continent-wide civil war, the leftist scumbags and greedy neocons will be brutally slaughtered by the third-worlders they love so much and...

2) People like Broder who flee will not be allowed back into the reconquered Europe, and will have to live out the remainder of their lives in misery, knowing that they're stuck in [by that time] third world America/Australia/Canada because they were too pathetic to fight for freedom. Meanwhile Europe will be genetically repopulated by the descendants of the strong, resourceful, and tenacious whites who stood and fought. In other words; mother nature, through natural selection, will correct all the 20th century globalist BS.

Step aside Broder, you and the leftists and neo-cons are relics of the 20th century. The future belongs to us.

Jan, I agree with your optimism to a point. I am pessimestic that Europeans will change until there is a collapse either on the economic and social side or an event of such magnitude that 9-11 will seem insignificant by numbers and carnage. I don't forsee it until then for several reasons.

Europe has learned to love its benefits. The people view these as coming about as a result of their leftist governments. The existence of leftist government is the only thing many see which provides them a sense of security. They have lost a sense of entitlement to the fruits of their own labor and rely on instutions of the state to give back to them what they have earned.

God has all but disappeared from the vocabulary of everyday Europe. The faith of the people is more in their institutions than in God. They have no sense that they enjoy their rights because of God granting them the rights, but view the rights as coming from the state and institutions.

The leftists in power in Europe are not isolated. They are supported by an international alliance (not necessarily formally but they know it, even if it is not acknowledged to exist in polite company). They have the power of the media, locally and world wide. The leftists view nation states and patriotism as needless anachronisms and are moving the citizens government further from the reach of the public. They are now instituting repressive measures on speech and will quickly move to stifle individuals whom they catagorize as dangerous "to the public". They will welcome any power that centralizes control on the citizens so long as they feel they are the ones ultimately in control.

There will be a double sided struggle against leftists and against invading islamists and some of this would be against the Foreign Legion who are under state control.

I'm optimistic that Europeans and Americans (Americans will be fighting largely the same battle) will prevail over both the leftists and the islamists. I don't think it will be soon enough to prevent much needless loss of life and resources.

Anyway, it is good to see that all of Europe has not lost its sense of dignity, honor and healthy self interest. Your comments are welcome.

I'm also 60 years old just as Broder but I'm absolutely not pessimistic nor fatalistic about Europe's future and its presumed imminent islamization.
Europeans are notorious in the whole bloody world for turning their noses 180 degrees in seconds. How else could old Germany turn nazi within a few years, start a world war a few years later, get defeated in 4 years and become “democratic” a few years later? The Soviet Union disintegrated even faster.
The present secular, atheistic, anti-christian, pro-islamic governments prevailing in Europe today can be overturned much more quickly and without shedding one drop of blood. It just requires enough voters to vote the suicidal leftwingers out of government. They will not defend themselves forcefully just because of their self-inflicted indulgence and impotence. There will be no need for physical violence.
Then, the 20 … 50 million muslim colonists will be more or less forcefully be persuaded to return to their homelands, from which they have always kept a passport and nationality, and where they vacation every summer anyway, in their luxurious cottages paid for with European “social security” funds. That may take a few weeks, given enough airplanes ships and busses. Fighting Jihadists will be met by the Foreign Legion who will make short shrift with them. The violence will start and probably be limited to France. Holland with its soft underbelly may be overrun temporarily by muslim fighters but they will be rescued by Flemish and Danish troops.
Think again Broder! My 60-years old fingers may be arthritic but they can still pull a trigger, and so can yours.

India's hands are tied by the Americans and the British who know too well that Pakistan is behind most of the terrorist activities not only in India but in the western world also but choose to do nothing, this goes back to the days of the cold war, when India sided with the Soviet Union and the West has never forgiven India for it, and as Pakistan gave it's head up the smelly Ass of America so it is enjoying the perks now, the moral of the story is if you want to come up smelling of Roses then give your head up America's Ass.

Pakistan over the years has successfully deceived everyone because it plays the West's tunes and so gets away with all sorts of transgressions as it constantly tells the West that India’s development and stability would become a problem for them and within the region. India needs to make itself self sufficient in each and every area first before it tackles the thorny issue of Pakistan, as once it decides to go after Pakistan like Israel goes after it’s neighbours when they encroach on Israeli territory or bring harm to Israelis. However, it will not get any support from any of the other nations such as America, Britain, France, China and definitely not the Islamic countries and as for Russia it will support India but nowadays it carries no weight with anyone as it goes cap in hand to the West itself for financial support. The problem is that the West sees India as a major threat to it’s own Economy and financial well being and that is why it doesn’t allow India to ever become a stable country and as India also heads another major opposition to the West in the form of the League of Non Aligned Nations and usually disagrees with most of American values so it stands alone. India is also a threat to China its biggest adversary so China also benefits from helping Pakistan so that it can continue the subversive activities to destabilise India by carrying on with the insurgency and terrorism.

PART 1a

America and Britain are so occupied, with the 9/11 and Osama, that they are oblivious of the fire under its own ass.

The country that will come to haunt the West in the near future won’t be Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya but Pakistan, “the snake within its own sleeves”.

Why is it, that millions of “First World” intelligent and literate citizens are so DUMB when it comes to lessons in history, it seems that they have a blinkered, short term “ism” entrenched in its character, “a death wish” or else, why weren’t they able to for see the larger than life monstrosity called “Islam”. The poor Indians have been yelling from the building tops for the last 60 years but to no avail.

Why is it that one is so alert to one’s own wound, but ignorant to the pains of someone else’s would, if doctors behaved in that fashion then we would all be in real trouble.

It was Gandhi (ironically) who said “It is a sin not to stand up against injustice no matter, whom it is perpetrated against” makes a lot of sense to me.

PART 1

RAPE : INDIA vs EUROPE

Miriam is absolutely right, India was systematically raped by the Mohammedan Barbarians over a period of 10 centuries, during which time they endeavoured to abolish it's people to extinction, had it not been the absolute resolve of it's people and the faith in its religion, they most definitely would have been extinct and India as we all know today would have been "ISLAMISTAN". But not in that the Indians have become voiceless or vulnerable but more like, been gagged by the WEST.

It is so damn right hypocritical, of the West now to cry rape, when it has landed on it's doorstep, where was it when all this was going on and happening to India, and is still happening, we in the west have been mere bystanders watching all this and have aided and abetted the culprits, in this case Pakistan.

The West, America and Britain in particular, have chosen to ignore all the evidence that is available in abundance, and have, at their own peril, fed a dangerous snake in Pakistan to carry on the rape.

Sadly, us British are responsible for a lot of ills in the world today, we arbitrarily, carved up nations so as to suit our needs, we are responsible somewhat, for planting the seed in the world for Radical Islam to take root i.e. Pakistan.

PART 2
What have successive British and American governments done to stand up to the violence being dished out to millions of Indians by the Pakistani terrorists in the form of bombings carried out on Indian soil, NOTHING, and yet when the same atrocities are perpetrated against the Americans or the British on their soil, they seem to wake up.

The West has itself to blame for the Islamic problem, as for decades it stood idle with duplicitous policies that have now come full circle, on the one hand they go into Iraq to restore “Democracy” and yet on the other hand, for the last 60 years have, and are still actively supporting Military Dictatorship in Pakistan.

Sadly, (I despair for its masses) what went around, has come around with a vengeance to hit us in the West.

Mr. Broder, (I ask respectfully) where were you all these years? Have you just now risen from long slumber, when it is knocking at our door, and further, is this, more hypocrisy, as if it wasn’t enough, why is it all right for the Europeans to occupy lands that don’t belong to them i.e. Australia, New Zealand, Canada and USA, what about the rights of the indigenous people, like the Indians of America, the Aboriginals of Australia and New Zealand etc? How dare we say we don’t want immigrants in our midst?

As I said before, one rule for us and another for the rest, is it any wonder, why we have all the problems in the first place, still haven’t learned the lesson of history.

When are the people of Europe going to stand up for true Justice and help countries like INDIA in its fight against the RADICAL ISLAMISTS, to stop the MASSACRE and RAPE, that our Governments are so oblivious to in our name?

When the termites are destroying the house, the first thing you do is call the exterminator. THEN you talk about the repairs. If you wait too long, a point is reached where your home can no longer be repaired. Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Nations do nothing wrong by limiting immigration, deporting non-citizens, or even closing their borders to all immigration.

Dear Mission Impossible:

No I hadn't seen the article. Thank you for the link and having read it I'm not surprised. It was indeed an interesting article.

@FLLaw33870, regarding the inaction of so-called "moderate" Muslims, you will doubtless find this article interesting, if you haven't read it already.

Dissent Crushed (New York Post)

‘This is why they have come to hate Israel and America so much, and the small band of European “islamophobes” who dare to talk about what they see happening around them. West Europeans have to choose between submission (islam) or death.’

The above thought captures the core of the new European thinking. Many people in parts of Europe are paralyzed by fear of the future.

I never said I use Muslims for target practice. However, you've given me an idea. That Danish cartoon of Mo's head with a bomb on top... would make a nice target...

As for living in peace, then stay in your 3rd world Muslim country. Don't come here. We don't want you here. Be afraid of us. Be very afraid.

Another nice site I just found:

The History of Jihad: http://www.historyofjihad.org/

Other Nice Sites:

The Religion of Peace: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Gates of Vienna: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

Prophet of Doom: http://prophetofdoom.net/

Anti-C.A.I.R.: http://anti-cair-net.org/

Little Green Footballs: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

The JAWA Report: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

Jihad Watch: http://www.jihadwatch.org/

WorldNet Daily: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

The Middle East Forum: http://www.meforum.org/islamist.php

When I could understand any of what you were writing, I had the impression that you were saying that the US had control of the world, and was a master of Europe. I might concede that if you tell me who owns the interests in the Federal Reserve. It won't count if you tell me it is the US government, since that is not true. Please don't reply in hip-hop jive, as I never learned it.

I have spent quite a bit of time in Waco and the Waco area. I happen to like it a hell of a lot. Waco is going to be linked to the killings at Mt. Carmel no matter what you do, but it was not a slur.

If you are thinking that Ruby Ridge was any different than Waco, you are mistaken. Both were an effort to legitimize imposition of gun bans by creating an atmosphere of hysteria amoung the public, and showing how government force was necessary to quell the loonies. The problem was that you can't get any more loony than Bill Clinton or Lurch Reno(with the exception, of course, for Hillary). Their gestapo messed it up in both places, leaving Mr. Weavers wife dead by sniper and burning women and children in the Waco raid.

Why not report the real fertility or real birth rates (that is not the same)of Europe?

I know the ethnic fertility is perhaps not accounted for in your country, but sooner or later it will be much easier to tell the truth. It is also easier not to have to take especially good care every single time you mention the subject in a special neutral formulation: “Women in Germany” “Frauen in Grossbritannien“. According to: http://www.globalenvision.org/library/8/874

The Czech Republic, Germany, Greece, Italy, Poland, the Russian Federation, Spain and Ukraine have fertility levels now closer to one child per woman. Here the fertility level refers to the ethnic fertility.

Tabel 1: Total fertility and calculated
ethnic fertility in some European countries
Country/source Eurostat/2004
Total fertility Calculated 1) Ethnic fertility (CEF)
Spain 1,26 1,04(CEF)
Spain
”off.”
earlier 1,14
France 1,90
Denmark 1,78 1,21(CEF)
Sweden 1,75
Germany 1,36 1,07(CEF)
.....
Source: Eurostat: http://epp.eurostat.cec.eu.int/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-AF-05-001/EN/KS-AF-05-001-EN.PDF page 16
http://danmark.wordpress.com/2006/05/19/12/
http://danmark.wordpress.com/2006/10/23/europe-does-certainly-not-need-immigrants/
J. E. Vig, Denmark
http://Danmark.wordpress.com

Part 4

Instead of writing me back and chastising me or refuting me. Tell me what you and your mosque is doing to overthrow these "radical Muslims". Tell me they are wrong. Condemn them for taking "your religion". Tell me how many protest marches you and yours will be engaging in, not against the West, but against these "radical Muslims" who have no qualms to march in the streets and riot. Tell me about how many radicals you have turned into law enforcement! Tell me how you are against the imposition of Shria law and that your Mosque preaches such a message!!!

Tell me WHY I should believe you!!!

Otherwise, your silence is DEAFENING when Muslins fail to aggressively tackle and oppose "radical Muslims".

If Muslims don't clean up their house (mosque), then we will have no choice but to clean it up for you and sadly it will be violent.

Part 3

Sir we do NOT worship the same God. Having read the Quran and the Bible, I must fervantly state that anybody who claims that we do worship the same god is being intellectually dishonest.

My God tells me to Love my enemies. Islam is my enemy. I admit it can be hard at times, but I can love you my enemy, but still hate your faith.

If your son Muhammad was hurt, I would rush your child to the hospital and pray for him. I might be reluctant to do so if he is burning up the neighborhood or wearing a homicide belt.

Want to live in peace? Then clean up your OWN HOUSE FIRST!!!! It is your religion that has the world in an uproar with even Muslims killing Muslims!!!! Islam is a culture of death!!!!

I want to live in peace, but not under Islam or sharia law. War has been continuous against all non-Muslims since the time of Muhammad unless they submitted as second class citizens.

Perhaps for the safety of you and your son, if you and yours are not willing to reform your religion to one of non-violence and one being non-political, then perhaps you should move to an "Islamic Paradise". Otherwise, don't be surprised when the day comes when us infidels have to rise up to protect ourselves and our culture from the imposition of Islam which is tyrannical and violent.

A "moderate Muslim" is a bad Muslim according to the Quran and when the internal war comes we will not be able to tell you all apart.

Part II

Where is the SANE Muslim who remains silent? When they do speak out, they don't blame the "hijacker" of their faith but blame the West! Are they fearful too of these Muslims? If "sane moderate Muslims" do not reign in these "radical Muslims", a term I believe to be redundant, then we in the West will have to do so and honestly we can't tell you apart for you all look alike and your "allah" says it is ok to lie to practice deception. Well I can't afford to put at risk my family and way of life to take the time to tell you people apart when eventual hell breaks lose.

We LET you come to our countries and what happens? In Europe, Muslims are rioting in the streets and issuing threats. Oh and murdering too which is ok according to "Allah".

You want to practice your religion in peace, but your religion will not allow us to live in peace. Islam is determined to rule the world and impose itself up us. Islam intends to dominate. Read the Quran it does not lie as to those issues. A "true Muslim" is not a "moderate muslim" or a "liberal Muslim" for the very NATURE of Islam is radical. It is a tyrannical religious and political ideology.

Dear fromkhadija,

I am shocked your flabbergasted! Have you not seen what has been going on around the world in the name of Islam? Are you not familiar with the violence of the "prophet" Muhammad, first with Arabs in and around Saudi Arabia, then with Christians and Jews? Have you not read of the history of Islam being spread around the world by the sword? Have you not read the Quran? It is a blue print of violence against infidels (kafirs), Christians, and Jews, even worse than what is written in Mein Kampf.

How am I to believe you when the Quran and Islamic writings state that Allah approves of lying to gain advantage over infidels?

How am I to believe you when "distinguished" Imans throughout the Islamic world call for jihad (not the inner kind) and issue fatwas for death?

How can I think Islam is peaceful when the majority of the world is being terrorized by Muslims? Muslims, not Jews and not Christians. It is Muslims strapping on homicide bombs on their own children to kill children. Muslims, prior to Iraq, who tried to blow up Twin Towers in 1993 and blew up embassies in Africa killing innocent people. Then, of course, Twin Towers. How easy Muslims forget that we fought and died to save Muslims from Serbs!!!

How can I trust Islam as not being violent when I see Sunnis killing Shiites in Iraq and vise versa or Palestinian killing Palestinian in factional fighting in Gaza?

I am flabergasted after reading these comments. I am a Muslim by choice (for many,many years). I have a son named Muhammed. Why is this a threat to people? I don't think it's funny that target practice of Muslims is insinuated by one of the commentors. I haven't done anything to anyone, nor has any Muslim that I know. It shocks me that someone thinks Muslims would go door to door and kill people. This is utter nonsense. Who is going door to door and killing people these days? The American army and the Isrealis. (please check reliable news sources) Maybe some think Muslims would go door to door shooting because they themselves want to kill us. As far as boycotting Muslim countries, they are so poor already that I don't think they'd notice. It's funny that we live in a world where the aggressors play the victim and everybody falls for it. I don't need to take over any country, I just need to be able to practice my religion in peace. I hope all of our children will live in a much more peaceful world than the world we live in now.

What i find funny is that its the west@large's fault that they even need to rationally fear this. I say rationally because there is a rational fear there unlike a soley irrational fear derived from xenophobia... Perhaps if the Catholics hadnt repeatedly lead crusades, the powers of the time hadnt divied up the Ottoman empire according to thier own self interests with little to no regard for the peoples they were effecting, and the west had attempted to foster democratic instituions and supported leaders and groups who came to power by the people while denouncing those that didnt we would be seeing an islam with a much different face today. People resort to faith when they need hope. Sometimes its religous, sometimes its some grand political or economic ideal, sometimes its something else entirely. But one thing you can always count on is the worse things are the more people need to beleive in something to get them through. The conditions we have created have led the way for radical fundamentalists to begin hijacking and corrupting a faith. WE have no one to blame but ourselves and our ancestors.

I have several reservations about this story.

First, what makes anyone in Europe think Australia is a better place to go? We are being heavily 'Asianized' (the same is true, albeit to a lesser extent, of Canada). All formerly white European nations have been subjected to large scale immigration since the 1960s, and, with the exception of food culture, which has improved immensely in the English-speaking countries, this has not been for the better.

Second, many European countries are more 'white European' even today than the English-speaking countries, with the possible exception of New Zealand. So what are you lot complaining about?

Third, it is true that Europe has experienced a fairly large influx of Muslim immigrants in recent years and that this has given rise to considerable social problems. That said, similar problems are faced by other countries which have experienced large influxes of immigrants, regardless of the country of origin. In Australia, for example, we have Asian crime gangs, and some of the most horrendous murders have been linked to Vietnamese and Hong Kong criminal syndicates. So what makes anyone think that Muslims are the problem per se?

A final comment: in Australia, we have had a variety of immigrants from different countries. I find it generally impossible to distinguish between Muslim and Mediterranean or southern European (Christian) youth, which suggests that religion is hardly the problem. When I was mugged by teenage hoodlums, the culprits, two of whom were fortunately apprehended, turned out to be Portuguese. Also, from my own experience interacting with younger people in an educational setting, I find no meaningful difference between Lebanese Muslims and Lebanese Christians.

Dear Flanders Fields;

You owe an apology to the citizens of Waco.

Waco, Texas, is a lovely community of some 150,000 people including suburbs. As a citizen of one of those suburbs, I take exception to your mention of Waco in the same breath as Ruby Ridge. Regardless of popular "wisdom" the unwarranted attack on the Branch Dravidians did not happen in Waco. It happened at Mount Caramel, a small religious settlement some miles outside of Waco.

You may rest assured that the greatest majority of our citizens considered what happened there as a violation of our Constitution.

Paul Garner
Technical Sergeant, US Air Force (Retired)

Dear Flanders Field,

You stated: "Your comments seem to leave out that you will be facing the armed forces, the police, fbi, and atf, all of whom are in the service of the persons immersing the US in this racial and ethnic flood. I suspect that they will be siding with the "minorities", against true Americans and will have few compunctions about killing them."

Let me first clear up any confusion my posts may have created. I said in my last post in this thread the following:

"We just have to abide our time until eliminating the internal enemy (killing them and sending them to hell) is deemed a duty by our government and not a crime."

I don't anticipate Americans will be acting in opposition with their government, but in cooperation with the government and its various agencies to eliminate the Islamic threat. I believe it will be the government at the direction of the American people, who will naturally take the lead against Islam in defense of our liberties and freedoms.

Let's not forget that the American government will get to see the events in Europe unfold as they relate to Islam and I suspect that such events and the conclusions drawn by the American government regarding actions that must be taken will not be favorable to Islam.

Europe is at the crossroads of history. America is not quite there yet.

Long before rape of Europe, rape of India started and is still on-going, as the host culture of India has become too voiceless and vulnerable.

It is best to boycott all islamic goods and services, their products and places of tourism, including Egypt, Jordan,...etc. for, they are in the same game of savage exploitation and sexploitation.

Botha died today Nov. 1st 2006. But many islamic bothas are ruling the Indians long after 900 year old colonial rule ended, as 50 odd years of neo-colonial repressive rule is ongoing. Protests are suppressed by police brutality, only islamist remnants of fakistan, among minority are given job quotas, undeservedly, media spreads lies and hype to perpetuate neo-colonialism, violence and intimidation are used as political weapons, movies are used as social engioneering tools, terrorist's death sentence by the highest court, is about to be cancelled by islamist President, girls are abducted and raped and converted into islam, savage street riots are too common with no rule of law to punish the guilty islamists, etc etc.

That'll be the future for Europe too, if you dont totally boycott islamic business, including products, airlines, tourist spots, ...etc.

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i am a south asian in europe.. i can't carry a weapon for my safety... :(

Your comments seem to leave out that you will be facing the armed forces, the police, fbi, and atf, all of whom are in the service of the persons immersing the US in this racial and ethnic flood. I suspect that they will be siding with the "minorities", against true Americans and will have few compunctions about killing them.

Also, you don't seem to remember Waco or Ruby Ridge, which was simply an attempt by Clinton and his bosses to impose weapons bans. The plan blew up in their faces, which bought some time before they try again. They will try again, I have little doubt.

Unfortunate for the 90+ people that were slaughtered by "our"government, but a fair warning for people who may forget in the future what they (the oposition forces in control of the government) are willing to do. It is the same opposition faced by citizens in many nations and areas, including the EU. Many just don't want to open their eyes in fear of being branded as a conspiracy theorist.

The previous poster is right. In America the citizens are armed. And those of us who are armed will be the last ones to go. All the lefties will be killed first by the Muslims.
I just purchased a Ruger .357 Magnum dual action revolver. Eventually I will also get myself a high powered rifle. Target practice, target practice, target practice.
Mo will have a harder time in America than he had in Europe.

You are exactly right, Sonomaca. There has been a top down imposition of a leftist pc agenda since the sixties. The children of the US public schools have been undergoing indoctrination in everything except an education, while the rest of the public has been bombarded with the same propaganda by all the media. The importation of aliens into our society on a massive scale will dilute the base for any American, as the aliens are used against our votes and are easily manipulated. America's strength has always been at the grassroots, but many don't have the information to determine how to counter the problem when it is imposed from the top by leaders of government, business, education and multinational corporations, media and even to some great extent, the churches.

I have faith in our guns too. That is one thing we have that European civilians do not have which is guns and the right to own them. We have not yet been stripped of our rights to protect ourselves whether by tyranny of government or enemies within, i.e. Islam.

And I have faith in our young people. Right now I have a nephew in Ramadi in the Marines killing Islamic insurgents. He has already made a bunch of martyrs and his skills, along with the skills of many other young people in the military, will come in handy here within the U.S. when the time arises to wage civil war to the death of Islam takes place.

When America gets roused, then there will be no mercy for our enemies within our borders. I think we have alot of great young people in this country and alot of us middle aged older folks who also know how to "lock & load"!

We just have to abide our time until eliminating the internal enemy (killing them and sending them to hell) is deemed a duty by our government and not a crime.

Whatever the triggering event within the U.S. (a dirty bomb or bombs might do it), it is just a matter of time.

So if you don't have firearms, buy them and stock up on ammo. Be prepared as the Boy Scouts motto proclaims. Oh and keep spare gasoline for the mosques!!! :)

By the way, I just found out that John Kerry effectively called our soldiers in Iraq stupid and uneducated.

Tomorrow, you will see Democrats disavowing Kerry's statement in droves (although they all believe it). So, now that Kerry's out of the race, they've got Hillary, Al, and Barack as their leading contenders for 2008. Good luck with that.

The multiculti/PC/moral relativist/securalist establishment has worked diligently to take over schools of education, social work, library science, communication, and journalism. This is the mission of the entertainment industry, and of internet service and content providers such as Google and YouTube.

This is a deliberate, long-term strategy, one which is designed to capture and convert young minds, to separate children from their religious traditions, and to sever the link to parental guidance.

The goal is American disintegration. This country exists only because its citizens subscribe to the idea of "one nation under god." The forces of evil, as we might aptly call them, want to alienate Americans from national self-identification. As to what would replace America, and what would be the consequences of this disintegration, these questions are of no concern.

And yet, this project, 40 years old now, has achieved only a partial success. Americans do not like to be told what to do or how to think. They enjoy participation in the great experiment which is America, and do not want to give it up.

That said, a whole new generation of American children, the sons and daughters of new immigrants, are not bonded to the country in the same way. In the past, the schools taught immigrant children about American nationalism and American values. No longer. Today's immigrant children are told about the evil which is America, and the parents are ill-equipped to counter this corrosive message.

So, I fear that, at some point in the future, the leftist villains which control our key institutions, and their Democratic Party allies at all levels, will finally triumph in their mission to destroy the America they loathe so much.

Americans can take no pleasure or satisfaction from the rape of Europe.  We face our our mortal challenge over here.  Moral and cultural relativism have taken hold in the early grade schools in America and Radical Islam and anti-Semitism have more than a foothold in the nation's universities.  We are bringing up an entire generation of Americans whom we are not sure have the will to fight for our survival.  And so it is not at all clear that Sharia will not ultimately be the law of the land here in America. 

I would be considered moderate in most people's eyes. At the same time, I believe I am a hint of what is coming, as I gladly would sign up with any Military Free Corpse and go cleanse Europe of the Islamists. Any day, any time. I just don't think I can be the only one with these feelings. A peaceful harmless exterior but with a bristling fury inside. What is needed is a LEADER! The right wing parties, such as Danish Peoples Party, Dutch Vlaams Belang, French Front national, Norway's Fremskrittspartiet, Sweden's Sverigedemokraterna, Italy's Lega Nord need to create an umbrella organisation! They need to unite and stand firm in the hallways of power in Brussels! THIS IS NEEDED! If only just create a website, closed to the public, where they can unite and discuss drastic actions to stop the multiculturalism which is preparing the way for Europe becoming islamic. Dear politicians of the aforementioned parties, why are you not uniting!!?

@ captain A
I have tried my best to take pleasure in seeing Europe succumb to demographic failure and radical Islam, if only because adopting an attitude of schadenfreude rather than of concern will help us Americans stay out of the bloody entanglements that will ensue.  But my natural inclination is still to feel sympathy for the Europeans, despite the fact that Europeans have always treated me with condescension and rudeness -- and I'm referring to my so-called European "friends."  Sadly, I think we in America simply have to fight harder the inclination to sympathize with Europe, because our number one priority must be to stay out of their battles.  A European wrote on this site recently that the United States couldn't possibly be dragged into the violence to come because it will be a civil war, but obviously the Kosovo campaign was an example of our being dragged into a European civil war (necessitated by the fact that, first, Europeans are prone to ethnic violence and, second, they can't solve their own problems themselves).  Here's hoping the Europeans finally take the bull by the horns.  Otherwise, I'll have to try to enjoy myself.

Its going to be great to watch the europeans deal with this Muslim problem. They have been blocking all efforts to defeat radical Islam by the U.S. and its allis. Now those radicals are in their own countrys getting stronger and in large numbers. Europe has always been able to take the high ground at the U.N. knowing all along that the U.S. would have to do the dirty work in the end. Now the enemy is in their own country and they have to deal with it own their own. They have been weak so long they will whimp out till only a civil war will settle the divide between radicals and secularests. Watching europe having to actually fight for somthing will give me a "told you so" pleasure. Instead of fighting the terror war in Iraq with the U.S. they will fight it at home and their familys will be in harms way. Like a disease its better to get it early and europe isnt doing anything but blaming the U.S.. Oh well ...they can blame anyone they want but try crying to that terrorists with an AK-47 in your house. Yes it will be somthing to see, comming to a theater near you.

I've read both "The Rage and the Pride" and "The Force of Reason" and Orianna is no atheist in the pure sense. She has even referred to herself as a "Christian atheist" in one of the chapters of the latter title. She says this because she realizes that the molding of her intellectual, spiritual, and emotional facets are profoundly linked to Christianity - an inescapable fact for any true European.
A belief in secularism is not enough to win this war against Islam. Europe's greatness and strength came from her Christian roots. We now see the fruits of abandoning those roots.

@atheling

While i do agree with you about this key component over the issue of demographics, i'd like to add that the chance of Europeans turning from their secularism back to Christianity is very slim if not at all. What i hinted at, in my previous comment, was that secularism should be taken to heart, and treated with respect and honour just like any other religion INCLUDING without compromising for 'seductive Muslim feelings and "morals"'.

Oriana Fallaci is a great example of an atheist who fought the backwardness of the Muslim religion to the end. She used all the aspects and the type of psychology of an atheist to expose the irrationality of Islam. Therefore, European secularists who consider themselves progressive should learn from people like Fallaci and adapt her understanding.

I'll have to agree with 'Flemish American' on this one. Europeans (and leftists Americans) run from the name Jesus like vampires run from the cross.

And it's really the core issue, because without that faith, the goodness of Europe disappears. I'd argue that many Europeans instinctively know this and subconsciously understand that without this faith, there's nothing in Europe worth saving.

...Europe may or may not finally stand up and fight Islam. Who knows!? But if they do, how they do it matters a great deal. Without a knowledge of Jesus, Europe will just produce another Hitler or Stalin. ...another 'rational', 'scientific', 'progressive' leader that will do the dirty dead and create a Europe that is just as bad as what the mullahs would create.

But if Europeans resist and defend Europe with the knowledge of Christ, they can create a Europe that is truly a light to the world.

(My site is devoted to looking at this clash of civilizations from an evangelical perspective. It was subtly Christian to begin with...but I'm beginning to think it needs to be more overt...)

It ain't over until the fat lady has sung. I blame the politicians who opened up the doors without thinking about the consequences. All they saw were voters streaming in and a Utopia despite the Balkan & historical warnings. In Belgium they range from the Catholic side to the communists. Secularism has nothing to do with it, it's just idiocy.

If you're really open to discuss reasons for this, maybe we should just consider Europe's total rejection of Jesus Christ in the last 100 years.

If Muslims had settled much in the Benelux, Germany, France or United Kingdom 150 years ago, they would never have felt comfortable because the local people were more God-fearing Christians than in today's society.

I still hold that for all of the negatives surrounding the Islamic assimulation of Europe, most Europeans have to look at themselves and the previous generations who created the environment where this is possible.

You want to know why Muslims want to force their values on Europe?  It's because Europe no longer has values of her own.

Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;
the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;
and the wisdom to know the difference.

No one likes to hear what I am about to say and even I don't want to say it, but:

There needs to be a violent civil war to overcome Islam. Our enemy is ruthless and we must be ruthless if we are to survive to be free and maintain what little liberties we do have. Muslims need to be deported and if they resist martyred.

Our governments are failing us for they are not protecting us from this invasion and they seem to be willing accomplices. Perhaps they are due to intimidation, but someone strong in each of the Western nations must arise and lead the free peoples ruthlessly waging war against the tyranny of Islam. We need to protect and preserve all that we have. We need to be willing to fight for and when fighting against tyranny we must be willing to kill for it.

I am in America, but we too need a strong leader for we are not far behind.

Patrick Henry once said "Give me Liberty or Give me Death". Sadly, no one is willing to rise up, lead us, and fight the fight. So goodbye liberty. Your passing will particularly be sorely missed once your gone. Then perhaps it will be too late to fight once Islamic enslavement takes hold.

U.S. General Patton once said: "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country". So with that in mind let me say: "Give me Liberty or Give Them Death!"

Are your liberties and freedoms worth saving and if not for you then for your children?