WellPoint Failed To Deliver Tens Of Millions Of Dollars It Promised To Help Uninsured Americans
WellPoint Failed To Deliver Tens Of Millions Of Dollars It Promised To Help Uninsured Americans
Health insurance companies have always claimed that they support “affordable, high-quality health care for every American” and are supportive of health care reform efforts and not simply concerned with their profits. To try to project this image of compassion for the uninsured, WellPoint Inc. — which recently came under fire for planning double-digit rate hikes in at least eleven states — pledged three years ago to use its charitable foundation to spend $30 million to assist the uninsured receive care.
A new investigative report by the Los Angeles Times finds that WellPoint’s foundation has completely failed to meet its promise of spending $30 million to help the uninsured. Rather, the company spent $6.2 million — a paltry 11 percent of what the company promised:
WellPoint’s public records indicate that from 2007 to 2009 the foundation gave less than $6.2 million in grants targeted specifically at helping uninsured Americans get access to coverage and care — barely one-fifth of what was promised and just 11% of the charity’s total giving over the last three years.
“It was just not something that the company really wanted to do,” said one former executive, who, like others interviewed for this story, asked not to be identified out of concern that discussing WellPoint could have adverse career consequences. “So it went by the wayside.”
The Times created a graph that charts WellPoint’s charitable giving since 2007 and showed how little of the insurers’ charitable spending actually went to helping the uninsured:
An investigation by Congress earlier this year found that WellPoint’s Chief Executive Angela F. Braly had a salary of $1.1 million last year and stock options valuing approximately $8.5 million, meaning that the company couldn’t spend anywhere near what it spends on just one of its own employees to help the uninsured it claims to care about.
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An insurance company acting unethically? Stop the presses!
Every day that passes without reform is a day this shit gets worse. And more blatant.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:55 amJust another insurance company that wants to kill sick people and kids for profit.
Republiscum are proud of them.
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Not at all surprising.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:01 amYet, even with HCR, this sort of thing will continue, mark my words. The bill as it stands isn’t nearly hard enough on health insurers; the loopholes are astounding.
Just look at that friggin graph. We are at the point where only the Rich can afford to get sick. Just the way Repugs and the wealthy like it. We are fast becoming a Second World Country.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:02 amJust more proof that the insurance companies are a bunch of friggin’ crooks:
1) They provide a service which costs $0 to provide until you actually need it.
2) They fight you if you ever try to use their service and actually ask for money from them.
3) If you do manage to make them pay you, then they will just increase your rates to make that money back (and more) in a short amount of time.
4) They use the money you gave them to lobby politicians (who are also crooks) into making it illegal not to pay the insurance companies to do nothing. Brilliant!
They sound like the mob, only more organized and they have the law on their side. Every month I pay “for their protection.” I seriously feel for the people being screwed by these crooks…this was like the insurance companies crooks on spit right in the face of the uninsured (more than they usually do).
March 18th, 2010 at 11:02 amP.D. says:
Just look at that friggin graph. We are at the point where only the Rich can afford to get sick. Just the way Repugs and the wealthy like it. We are fast becoming a Second World Country.
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Proof that you can make a quick buck off the fall of an empire.*
*For lack of a better term.*
March 18th, 2010 at 11:04 amThis taken directly from the link provided by TP dated 2007:
WellPoint’s plan also includes a financial commitment from the company’s charitable foundation of at least $30 million over the next three years to support community and state-based programs related to the company’s uninsured initiatives across the country that are helping to provide access to care.
Well, well, well wellpoint. You’ve got some explaining to do.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:05 amWell they helped the uninsured, by making sure that there is a larger amount of them so they have a better rates in a exchange.
if they did not drop so many and make the uninsured then the uninsured would not have a big enough exchange. makes perfect sense now that you look at it.
shaking my head.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:05 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
For profit health insurance is a blight on our nation.
Profits over people’s health is obscene.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:07 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
biz@7, Yeah, I have a feeling if things don’t turn around soon, we will be the way of Rome. Big Business is still holding strong, Bankers are still fighting reform. Our window of opportunity is fast closing.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:08 amAnd these are the scumbags you are trusting with BILLIONS of dollars…that alone is reason to kill the bill and let the Ins co’s die off in a decade.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:08 amI just called Rep. Holden in PA to urge him to support HC reform (he’s planning to vote no). The staffer I spoke to told me that Holden thinks it is ‘fiscally irresponsible.’ I asked where his concern–and that of other Congressional reps–about fiscal responsibility was when Pres Bush was spending us into a huge deficit and near financial collapse. He told me that this was ‘a really excellent question’ but that he didn’t have an answer.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:09 amIf there are any fellow Pennsylvanians on here, please call Holden and let him know how you feel!
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If we encourage charity or discourage greed, then the terrorists win!
(Sarcasm, for the humor-impaired)
March 18th, 2010 at 11:10 am@10
question?
you said you are a CFO right?
so thinking you might be missing something.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:11 amP.D. says:
March 18th, 2010 at 11:12 ambiz@7, Yeah, I have a feeling if things don’t turn around soon, we will be the way of Rome. Big Business is still holding strong, Bankers are still fighting reform. Our window of opportunity is fast closing.
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Agreed. We need financial reform and we need stronger politicians. I’m beginning to wonder if it’s possible to regulate them too…if they get caught lobbying against their constituents they should be booted out or at least put in the lime light and forced to explain themselves on air. Nobody wants to be shamed in front of the entire nation.
Gotta pay for those executive bonuses and Chamber of Commerce attack ads somehow. . .
March 18th, 2010 at 11:13 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
@13
The parallels between ourselves and middle-empire Rome are astonishing.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:18 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
@21, Piss off. Christian Charity is a major tenant of the Christian faith. You obviously are not a Christian.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:19 amIf charities could solve these problems, they would be solved right now.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:20 amiw local 03 says:
I love forced charity!
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They made a promise to donate a large sum of $ and backed out. Doesn’t that seem shady to you.
Ah who am I kidding? You’re a tea-bagging f**kwit. Keep parroting your BS.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:21 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Seeing how much of the article is a DIRECT quote from the LA Times… I guess an organization as such WellPoint can also get bashed in other places too, huh?
It would also appear that even their OWN employees don’t think much of the behavior…
March 18th, 2010 at 11:22 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I bet they never missed a payment to their anti-reform lobbyists and politicians. And they probably never missed a CEO bonus payment.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:23 amJesus would neither approve of the behavior of the insurance industry, nor iw local 03 for standing up for them.
How many millions of dollars should the CEO earn while Americans die? What if one of the people denied health care or unable to afford health care is the risen Christ?
March 18th, 2010 at 11:23 amAnd I LOVES me some voluntary stupidity…
Simple-minded folk like you are the very LIFE BLOOD of the Republic!
March 18th, 2010 at 11:24 amNice generalizations… just a little vague on the specifics… but it makes for nice sound bites… watch Fox Snooze much?
March 18th, 2010 at 11:25 amOff Topic…. ‘How’s it been? Like a living hell.” Quote from Bart Stupak D-MI. in an interview from ‘The Hill’.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:25 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
iw local 03 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 11:26 amI believe in capitalism, states rights and limited Fed Gov. Any gov that can give you everything can also take it away.
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And I believe in regulation. Without it I’m gonna keep getting f***ed by the a**holes who love your “limited gov.” ideas.
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P.D. says:
March 18th, 2010 at 11:27 amwe are becoming a second world country
That high?
Jeez, and here I thought we were hellbent on achieving 5th world status.
Silly me
iw local 03 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 11:27 amStop paying for illegal aliens in the er and the whole mess will go away.
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Or how about we send the d1ckheads who refuse to pay their taxes to another country so we don’t have to pay for their BS?
Like I always say,its these insurers and the people that support them are the only ones that can put a DOLLAR amount on a human life, especially a childs…..
March 18th, 2010 at 11:27 amIndeed… indeed… and no doubt, a proper lack of home furnishings results in tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths a year, and is one of the leading causes of bankruptcy, to boot!
Damn you, F-in’ furniture!
March 18th, 2010 at 11:27 amAnd what is awesome is that the Republicans pretty much shit on the concepts of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Crazy, isn’t it?
March 18th, 2010 at 11:28 amjmunny and the others, did you read the link $30 million?
It’s from Wellpoint themselves. They pledged the money and didn’t come thru. You want to give them a pass? Well then your other arguments will fall flat.
Seriously, quit being the anti and allow yourself to understand things.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:28 amThe Republic of Stupidity says:
Insurance profits rank @ 84th of US companies, just behind home furnishings.
Indeed… indeed… and no doubt, a proper lack of home furnishings results in tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths a year, and is one of the leading causes of bankruptcy, to boot!
Damn you, F-in’ furniture!
March 18th, 2010 at 11:29 am–
Well there is good news…both the CEO’s of the insurance companies and your furniture can be taken care of in the same exact way: wood chipper.
Oh Lordy…
The long, tedious, cut-n-paste…
This twit’s been here before… who is it? Big John?
March 18th, 2010 at 11:29 amiw local 03 says: @29
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So here is some info if you wish to be a leader and help wrong side cult party.
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and here is some leadership help as well.
The five leadership traits are:
Honest
Forward-Looking
Competent
Inspiring
Intelligent
So give it a try of just become another parrot and get the F&F for being a typical cult troll for the gNOp.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:30 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Did you just watch Fargo?
March 18th, 2010 at 11:31 amiw local 03 says:
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
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iw local 03 says:
Stop paying for illegal aliens in the er and the whole mess will go away.
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Or how about we send the d1ckheads who refuse to pay their taxes to another country so we don’t have to pay for their BS
OK Start with Charlie Rangel
March 18th, 2010 at 11:32 am–
Okay but only if we get to ship Abramoff away.
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Another Straw Man argument? The ‘Illegals’ again? That is so 2006. Troll boy better wake up to the fact WHITES will be the minority in a few decades, if not sooner. Already minority births out number white births. LOL! Won’t they be suprised in a few years.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:33 amJust like Mike Lowery of Clear Channel is the true reason for the proliferation of Hate Radio and Rupert Murdoch is the true reason for grossly un-American hate television…
Angela F. Braly is the face of evil showing in today’s insurance companies.
As a society, we used to wonder, “How do these people sleep at night? How do they look themselves in the mirror?”
Sadly, tragically, they sleep just fine while WE… live the nightmare.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:33 amAny valid corroboration for this statement, or is it just another shrill silly comment?
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stop hiring them.
This is about wellpoint who recorded record profits on the deaths of Americans honey. Stay on topic.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:34 amYou have apparently been in a masturabation-induced coma…
Bush left office over a year ago…
March 18th, 2010 at 11:34 amThe Republic of Stupidity says:
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Well there is good news…both the CEO’s of the insurance companies and your furniture can be taken care of in the same exact way: wood chipper.
Did you just watch Fargo?
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Haha. Last time I watched that movie was about six months ago.
Steve Buscemi rocks in all of the Coen Brothers films, though The Big Lebowski will always be my favorite. Miller’s Crossing was good too.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:35 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Fred ♪♫♪ says:
An excellent point, Fred…
Vote down the comment… IGNORE the commenter.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:36 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
iw local 03 says:
Off topic AGAIN…
Really… you must pay attention…
Vote down the comment and IGNORE the commenter.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:37 am@58
And look at Hawaii, run by Republicans and virtually destroyed by their policies. Hmmmmmm
March 18th, 2010 at 11:37 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Or Mississippi…poorest state in our nation. Run by the R’s.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:38 amLINK? Unless you pulled this right out of your a$$.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:39 amThe Republic of Stupidity says:
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iw local 03 says:
Off topic AGAIN
Its all related, jagoff.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:40 am@50
here you go which one of these do you like to use the most?
There seem now to be three default Faux Con errors:
1) The strawman
2) Ad hominem attacks
3) False equivalence
if you pick one could you explain why?
March 18th, 2010 at 11:40 am*drink*
March 18th, 2010 at 11:40 amDo some research Shane.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:40 am#60. Awards are great but the don’t give folks health care they can afford……
March 18th, 2010 at 11:40 amiw local 03 says:
Stop paying for illegal aliens in the er and the whole mess will go away
yet another example of good “christian” and “humanity” rethuglican values on display.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:40 ambothWrong says:
The article is, in many places, a word-for-word quote of the LA TImes article…
Apparently they have a bunch of dishonest reporters there too… and the WellPoint employees who didn’t like the company and were afraid to be named in article must also be dishonest, huh?
***eyes roll…***
March 18th, 2010 at 11:42 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
We question your sanity daily.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:42 amTime is Cubic!
March 18th, 2010 at 11:42 amiw loco sez:
Who paid for your lobotomy?
March 18th, 2010 at 11:43 amjbrantow@71,Well they do listen to Becky boy and he told them to leave their church if they preach about social injustice……because health care is a privilege not a right.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:43 amFred ♪♫♪ says:
Righto, Fred… i was just thinking…
Godwin’s Law… and it’s not even 9:00am, PST… Cooooooool!
March 18th, 2010 at 11:43 amsorry iw local…but the doctors oath is to treat the ill, not kick them out of the er.
You’re pathetically shameful and lack compassion.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:44 am@75
wtf?
I could barely follow along..
March 18th, 2010 at 11:44 amiwlocal,They is a law that states it’s illegal to kick anyone out of the ER no matter what race or gender…..stop listening to becky Boy!!!!!!
March 18th, 2010 at 11:46 amSocial security, the DMV, Post Office,Medicare, Medicade(ins for poor people) has all been run soooo well, dont you think.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:47 amjbrantow says:
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sorry iw local…but the doctors oath is to treat the ill, not kick them out of the er.
You’re pathetically shameful and lack compassion
The ER is not where you go for minor treatment, you go to the doctors office.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:48 amiw,Would you rather pay triple for UPS and it will take the same amount of time,I suppose you don’t know a single person Medicare most like someone elederly plus being S.S.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:48 amThe troll has respect for the law? Funny, considering Bush and his cabal had no repect for the ‘Law’ what-so-ever.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:49 am@75
I am tempted to email the schizophrenic b@stard who put all of that down. I am simultaneously impressed and confused.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:49 amiw local…..putting dollars above the life and health of a person. More spewing from an uncompassionate and greedy zealot. Keep watching glenn beck….it adds so much to your character.
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iw local….says “The ER is not where you go for minor treatment, you go to the doctors office”
thanks for making an argument for health insurance reform. Thousands of human beings cannot afford to pay for a doctors visit (and/or are denied access to health insurance) and therefore go to the er. I think you really did have a partial lobobomy as mentioned above.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:53 amiw local 03 says:
Nice, vague, generalizations… rather meaningless comment, when you come right down to it… got any specifics? And you’re STILL off topic… ADD, by any chance?
(I get the feeling you’re not even really trying here… to stay on topic… talk about a lack of respect for social mores…)
March 18th, 2010 at 11:53 amiw local 03 says: @83
Sorry you are to dumb to be ignorant to be stupid, so guessing like the rest of your friendly cult trolls you do not have what it takes to be a man/woman and stand for yourself.
Its truly sad that here in this great country we have so many of you slackers and pretenders.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:53 amiw local …”Our country is bankrupt! We are the largest distrubtor of aid in the world, bar none.
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thanks to gw bush and rethuglican rule for eight years.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:54 amTheVeritableBuddhist says:
@75
I am tempted to email the schizophrenic b@stard who put all of that down. I am simultaneously impressed and confused.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:54 am–
I wouldn’t bother…Gene Ray (Cube Phenomenologist and self proclaimed wisest human) is seriously insane. Though I guess if you want to laugh even harder here is his other site: http://www.abovegod.com/
Why don’t all of you here donate half you paycheck (if you have one) to the poor and they will all be fed, clothed, and medically treated.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:56 amFighting two wars while cutting taxes might have had something to do w/ that…
As would exporting millions of jobs over the last two plus decades… and not regulating health care to the point it sucks up 17% of our GDP every year…
Illegals in the emergency room? Not so much…
You’re really having a hard time staying on topic here, aren’t you?
March 18th, 2010 at 11:56 amSo the answer is “yes”. You pulled that profit crap right out of you a$$.
Doesn’t that nutjob Ron Paul have a site you can get disinformation to link to?
March 18th, 2010 at 11:57 am“Just look at CA and NY. Both broke and run by dems.”
Yeah funny what a three term Republican Mayor and a three term Republican Governor can do to royally fu(k up things. Pension give-aways to state employees have snowballed into a fiscal monstrosity in NY. Republican mafia/like corruption in the state Senate for decades managed some sweetheart deals for certain corporations and certain lawmakers but not so many positive things for the average NYer. Admittedly the Dems haven’t been much better but NY’s fiscal situation can hardly be laid on Democratic solders alone pipsqueak. At least we have a couple of good Senators fighting for progressive goals representing us in DC.
Oh yeah, you also mentioned California as well. The Governator (R) has done a bang up job over there as well. Looks like he’ll be gone soon though.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:57 amWhy don’t all of you here donate half you paycheck (if you have one) to the poor and they will all be fed, clothed, and medically treated.
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March 18th, 2010 at 11:58 amWhy would you think people here wouldn’t have jobs?
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iw local…..”Why don’t all of you here donate half you paycheck (if you have one) to the poor and they will all be fed, clothed, and medically treated.”
yeah…keep spewing your “christian” teabagger crap and ignore the real arguments against your “values”
March 18th, 2010 at 11:58 amI actually work at two non-profits already… what do you do… besides masturbate on line and rant incoherently? About topics you clearly don’t understand…
When it comes to masturbation… you’re clearly THE MAN…
He’s No 1! He’s No 1! He’s No 1!
March 18th, 2010 at 11:59 amShayne says:
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iw local 03 says:
Do some research Shane.
So the answer is “yes”. You pulled that profit crap right out of you a$$.
Doesn’t that nutjob Ron Paul have a site you can get disinformation to link to
Do your own homework, slacker.
March 18th, 2010 at 11:59 amToo silly for words…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:00 pmthey obviously don’t want to talk about the profits made by insurance based on the deaths of Americans.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:00 pmOr everybody who makes over $250K a year could pay a decent tax rate and solve the problem. But that would be socialism right paulbot?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:00 pmiw local.”Yes Bush started it with TARP, with Obamas backing. But Blobama has spent more money than all other Presidents combined.”
how conviently you forgot to mention that gw bush came into office with a “clinton surplus” and spent this country into record deficits for his tax cuts for those who didn’t need it, illegal and off budget wars and pharma giveaways using medicare part d.
Ignorance makes you happy…huh?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:01 pmThe Republic of Stupidity says:
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Why don’t all of you here donate half you paycheck (if you have one) to the poor and they will all be fed, clothed, and medically treated.
I actually work at two non-profits already… what do you do… besides masturbate on line and rant incoherently? About topics you clearly don’t understand…
When it comes to masturbation… you’re clearly THE MAN
You would not get out of the car when you see what I do for work. Union Ironworker
March 18th, 2010 at 12:01 pmIt’s just the one-size-fits-all, generic, trite put down… it means he can’t come up w/ any truly meaningful point and is degenerating into cliches…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:01 pmjbrantow says:
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iw local.”Yes Bush started it with TARP, with Obamas backing. But Blobama has spent more money than all other Presidents combined.”
how conviently you forgot to mention that gw bush came into office with a “clinton surplus” and spent this country into record deficits for his tax cuts for those who didn’t need it, illegal and off budget wars and pharma giveaways using medicare part d.
Ignorance makes you happy…huh
9/11
March 18th, 2010 at 12:02 pmwould have ruined this country if it wern’t for Bush.
They were supposedly YOUR statistics you lying sack of crap. And I’m supposed to find the imaginary site you are referring to.
You are a pathetic liar.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:03 pmTRoS’ Corollary #2: When the wingydingy you’re arguing w/ online starts introducing completely unverifiable personal information in an attempt to influence the discussion… 99.9% of the time, you’re dealing w/ a phony.
And yer still off topic…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:03 pmUnion Ironworker
March 18th, 2010 at 12:03 pm—
Oh so your ass is wear I left patrick5’s bayonet…. I’ve been looking for that…
Off topic… again…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:04 pmFred ♪♫♪ says:
What’s REALLY funny is that he just claimed to be a UNION member, to boot…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:06 pmAnd by the way, the Dems had super majorities in both house and senate, plus Obama. Why didn’t they pass Healthcare for the past year?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:06 pmThe Republic of Stupidity says:
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Fred ♪♫♪ says:
they obviously don’t want to talk about the profits made by insurance based on the deaths of Americans.
What’s REALLY funny is that he just claimed to be a UNION member, to boot
Like I said, I know both sides.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:07 pm9/11 wouldn’t have happened if it WASN’T for Bush you moron. He was warned REPEATEDLY that there was going to be an attack but he and Cheney chose to ignore the warnings. You are as ignorant as they come aren’t you?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:08 pmunion ironworker.
The ironworkers have more rats than any other trade.
We have the evidence.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:08 pmShayne says:
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iw local 03 says:
Shayne says:
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iw local 03 says:
Do some research Shane.
So the answer is “yes”. You pulled that profit crap right out of you a$$.
Doesn’t that nutjob Ron Paul have a site you can get disinformation to link to
Do your own homework, slacker.
They were supposedly YOUR statistics you lying sack of crap. And I’m supposed to find the imaginary site you are referring to.
You are a pathetic liar
No. U r just lazy.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:09 pmAnd like I said… when the wingydingy you’re arguing w/ …
March 18th, 2010 at 12:10 pmiw local 03 says: @110
so it seem you like to use all three of these.
1) The strawman
2) Ad hominem attacks
3) False equivalence
here words to the us.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:10 pmI can dig it, but, as they say, don’t try to wash a pig. You will only waste your soap, and it annoys the pig.
Shayne says:
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iw local 03 says:
9/11 would have ruined this country if it wern’t for Bush.
9/11 wouldn’t have happened if it WASN’T for Bush you moron. He was warned REPEATEDLY that there was going to be an attack but he and Cheney chose to ignore the warnings. You are as ignorant as they come aren’t you
So you are a Truther. LOL
March 18th, 2010 at 12:10 pmSTILL off topic…
Somebody’s gonna be in trouble when mummy gets the dial up bill come end of the month…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:11 pmKeep hiding it from your family you twisted little weirdo. It would break your mama’s heart to see what you have become. Childish online attention whore wasn’t exactly what she had in mind for her little bundle of joy…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:11 pmNo replys to post 116?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:11 pmiw local 03 has proven himself to be a huge liar but now he wants us to believe he’s a union iron worker. You’re such a lying coward that if you are an iron worker it must be ornamental.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:11 pmHave you been sleeping the last year moron? They were wasting time trying to get a bipartisan agreement with the Republiscum who were getting their pockets lined by the insurance industry. Doh.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:13 pm@108
union ironworker huh.
guessing next you be telling us that you are 6`6“ and 225 lbs?
LOL
you really need help. major professional help.
Ex-cult members and others seek him out for specialized counseling to help them recover from symptoms other mental health professionals are not trained to address.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:13 pmhttp://www.freedomofmind.com/
Shayne says:
Well… he did seem to know an awful lot about home furnishings at the start of all this…
Perhaps he’s a lawn gnome in real life…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:13 pmThe Republic of Stupidity says:
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STILL off topic…
Somebody’s gonna be in trouble when mummy gets the dial up bill come end of the month
The topic boils down to Healthcare.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:14 pmWhy would a union ironworker even for one second support anything even vaguely Republican.
The Republican Party has done everything it can to attack the unions in typical fascist fashion. None of the unions support any republicans.
iw local 03 is about as much a union worker as drhunt is a doctor.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:14 pmfake union guy says:
Why don’t all of you here donate half you paycheck (if you have one) to the poor and they will all be fed, clothed, and medically treated.
My job is growing food. I just give the poor some of the food. It does my little commie heart a lot of good to know that this week the poor will be eating rich, fresh, unadulturated eggs with fake ironworkers have to eat the nasty grey things from the Walmart.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:14 pmShayne says:
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iw local 03 has proven himself to be a huge liar but now he wants us to believe he’s a union iron worker. You’re such a lying coward that if you are an iron worker it must be ornamental
Connector.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:15 pmNO, truthers believe Bush/Cheney plotted 9/11. I KNOW they were warned and failed to take any action. You must be new at this, TRY DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH, A$$HOLE.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:15 pmThe Republic of Stupidity says:
Shayne says:
You’re such a lying coward that if you are an iron worker it must be ornamental.
Well… he did seem to know an awful lot about home furnishings at the start of all this…
Perhaps he’s a lawn gnome in real life…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:16 pm–
Speaking of lawn gnomes.
You can get help for that embarrassing condition…
(jwest, drhunt, big john, and several other of your fellow trolls recommend it highly, btw…)
March 18th, 2010 at 12:16 pmAh a poached fresh egg… A wonderous thing unknown to the Applebee’s tax whining crowd…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:16 pmWhere on what?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:16 pmbizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Oh noeeeeeeees… don’t tell me they wiped out all the pink flamingoes!
March 18th, 2010 at 12:17 pmShayne says:
iw local 03 says:
Connector.
Where on what?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:17 pm–
His head connects to his ass.
Levi the Oracle says:
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Why would a union ironworker even for one second support anything even vaguely Republican.
The Republican Party has done everything it can to attack the unions in typical fascist fashion. None of the unions support any republicans.
iw local 03 is about as much a union worker as drhunt is a doctor
Our union is nothing like Governmet Unions,Teachers, SEIU. You cannot lose you job for non performance. We can. If you don’t prodece, there is a 1 man layoff the next day. We are held accountable.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:17 pmiw local 03
I called you a rat and you said nothing.
You are no union man. That’s a fact.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:18 pmbizzarobrain @ 137, pity the poor pelican. :(
March 18th, 2010 at 12:18 pmactually I believe the topic is why a grown man would bretend to be a union ironworker and dick around online trying to draw negative attention?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:18 pmiw local 03 says:
It’s actually WellPoint’s behavior as a corp… but you’re getting close.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:18 pmThe Republic of Stupidity says:
bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:
Speaking of lawn gnomes.
Oh noeeeeeeees… don’t tell me they wiped out all the pink flamingoes!
March 18th, 2010 at 12:18 pm–
No not all of them but the pink flamingo’s have a serious battle on their hands. Look at what they’re up against.
All over Western PA. Latest on new bridge over Rt 50 for the new Turnpike.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:19 pmrt 51, sry.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:20 pmlike most Corp. entities, WellPoint operates on the principle that contracts and agreements are a one-way street that always leads to (more) profit, and never away.
only little people are required to live up to the terms of contracts.
that’s the “american way” that all righties favor.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:20 pmrt 51, sry.
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March 18th, 2010 at 12:20 pmNo problem. No one cares anyway. It is just amusing to laugh at you…
Typical repuke, my union is good, every other union is bad.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:21 pmdbadass says:
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actually I believe the topic is why a grown man would bretend to be a union ironworker and dick around online trying to draw negative attention
Just trying to educate and save our country.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:21 pmShayne says:
March 18th, 2010 at 12:21 pmbizzarobrain @ 137, pity the poor pelican. :(
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Haha. Don’t worry the pelican’s are fine…they’ve survived worse than lawn gnomes. See.
i hope some real iron workers catch this impostor.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:21 pmconnectors ass, he carries water for real men.
Union Ironworkers would kick this posers ass and not miss a step heading up the steel.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:22 pmStill no reply to post 116?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:22 pmiw local 03 says:
dbadass says:
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actually I believe the topic is why a grown man would bretend to be a union ironworker and dick around online trying to draw negative attention
Just trying to educate and save our country.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:22 pm–
By lying through his f***ing teeth about his occupation on the internet.
The point is not which union you work for the point is that you don’t know about the workers who fought so that you could have a decent life. And you turn out to be a Paulbot spitting in the face of those sacrifices. Shame on you.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:23 pmtombaker says:
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i hope some real iron workers catch this impostor
Where you from, Tom>
March 18th, 2010 at 12:24 pmJust trying to educate and save our country.
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March 18th, 2010 at 12:24 pmNot just the same old poser with a new name dicking around saying anything in hopes of attention. We both know that. Weird thing is that inside it eats away at you… I feel for you. It is a sick obsession…
No not not…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:24 pmLots of unions don’t take membership seriously and don’t remember where they came from. Iron workers, electricians, elevator constructors are the most dedicated unions and they know better. You are a fraud iw.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:25 pmpost 116 Anybody? Anybody?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:25 pmthere is no Ironworkers local 03
Do we need to know any more about this phony?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:26 pmWhat color is your hardhat iw? Think carefully.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:26 pmI am amused by the farcical notion that the greatest nation needs to be educated and saved by a meathead ironworker… We live in a fantasy SamJoe the wannabe plumber world…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:26 pmShayne says:
March 18th, 2010 at 12:27 pmWhat color is your hardhat iw? Think carefully.
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It’s white and pointed.
Shayne says:
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Lots of unions don’t take membership seriously and don’t remember where they came from. Iron workers, electricians, elevator constructors are the most dedicated unions and they know better. You are a fraud iw
20 years and I’ve seen it all. 3rd generation. We don’t blindly tow the line.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:28 pmTENS of millions… i’m sure they had no trouble paying HUNDREDS of millions in bonuses and compensation for denying care (keeping treatment costs low)…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:28 pmFred ♪♫♪ says:
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there is no Ironworkers local 03
Do we need to know any more about this phony
March 18th, 2010 at 12:29 pmU are nuts.
do you toe it?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:29 pmFred, are you a gay musician?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:30 pmiw local 03 says:
Still no reply to post 116?
thats where you are wrong, theres been so many reply but you are just not willing to accept.
1) The strawman
2) Ad hominem attacks
3) False equivalence
as long as you use these, you will get the respect of pond scum.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:30 pmSo went you go to work on the iron do you remove you head out of your 4th point of contact, to place your brain bucket on?
Post 116, please.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:30 pmThere is an Ironworkers Local 3 in Pennsylvania and I’m compiling the trolls comments and sending them to the local. I’m sure they’ll be thrilled to see this tool using their name and making such stupid comments. http://iwlocal3.com/
Thanks dumbass.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:31 pmPost 116, please.
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March 18th, 2010 at 12:31 pmWhy you don’t wanna discuss the idiocy that is 173?
the easiest route to healthcare reform?
make all health insurers become non-for-profit, mandate that a certain (high) percentage of premiums go to funding treatment / care, limit the amount of premiums that can be paid for ‘bonuses’… why health care is a for-profit endeavor in this country, whereby PREVENTING or LIMITING treatment is good (instead of ENSURING people get care to remain healthy) is stunning…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:32 pmPilotshark Sponsored by Boeing says:
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iw local 03 says:
Still no reply to post 116?
thats where you are wrong, theres been so many reply but you are just not willing to accept.
1) The strawman
2) Ad hominem attacks
3) False equivalence
as long as you use these, you will get the respect of pond scum.
So went you go to work on the iron do you remove you head out of your 4th point of contact, to place your brain bucket on
Post number please.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:32 pm160 – Iowa born, to a 2nd generation IBEW member/ 3rd generation union family. Grandpa, Great Grandpa, and half-a-dozen Uncles all paid with their teeth fighting company thugs in the streets so I and my Cousins could grow up with our teeth intact.
and that’s why your phony-ass is so funny to me.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:33 pmCatch ya later poser….
March 18th, 2010 at 12:33 pmI answered 116 @ 128. Pay attention iw.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:33 pmRetired Union Pipefitter.
That’s how I know you are a phony honey.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:34 pmDo your own research. Isn’t that what you told me when I asked where you got the profit ranking in your first comment?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:37 pmShayne says:
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I answered 116 @ 128. Pay attention iw
March 18th, 2010 at 12:37 pmThey dont care about the other side, is been infighting by the dems from the start. You need to pay atention. They had to bribe alot of dems with special favors for the original votes. Louisiana, Kentucky, Florida. And what about Stupak?
Where did the cowardly fake iron worker go to? He never answered my hardhat question either did he?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:38 pmYour ignorance on the subject is staggering. Did you start watching Fox just last week?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:39 pmScrew the pretender, it is just the same old sorry middle aged man who likes to behave like a 13 year old boy with daddy’s cb…
March 18th, 2010 at 12:39 pmShane are you 12?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:40 pmI smell the fear. Here is what is causing it:
House Dems on track for vote on $940B health bill
March 18th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Max Baucus, Chuck Grassley, ever heard of them iw? I didn’t think so.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:43 pmDoesn’t matter, my daughter knew more about government when she was 12 than you know now.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:45 pm1Fred ♪♫♪ says:
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I smell the fear. Here is what is causing it:
House Dems on track for vote on $940B health bill
The Congressional Budget Office estimated the legislation would reduce the federal deficit by $138 billion over its first 10 years, and continue to drive down the red ink thereafter.
Democratic leaders said the deficit would be cut $1.2 trillion in the second decade_ and Obama called it the biggest reduction since the 1990s, when President Bill Clinton put the federal budget on a path to surplus
10 years of taxes for 6 years of benefits. Now that makes sense.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:45 pmI hope no one is suffering the delusion that this troll is “new.”
March 18th, 2010 at 12:46 pmWhy not vote ON HEALTHCARE TODAY?
March 18th, 2010 at 12:47 pmShayne says:
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Max Baucus, Chuck Grassley, ever heard of them iw? I didn’t think so
Yeah, they opposed a terrible bill. Just doing their job as the loyal opposition, just like the dems during Bush’s time.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:49 pm“I’m SHOCKED! SHOCKED! to hear that gambling is going on here!”
March 18th, 2010 at 12:52 pmWhat is a troll, someone with a differing oppinion? What fun is it to talk to like minded people all the time? I try for an intelligent debate and get called names, accused of lying, and I’m a troll. WTF
March 18th, 2010 at 12:52 pmThat’s the kind of math that gives rise to cheny statements like “deficits don’t matter”
Take a class aaronk
March 18th, 2010 at 12:55 pmObama signs jobs bill
It’s a great day in America.
March 18th, 2010 at 12:57 pmFred ♪♫♪ says:
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iw local 03 says:
10 years of taxes for 6 years of benefits. Now that makes sense.
That’s the kind of math that gives rise to cheny statements like “deficits don’t matter”
Take a class aaronk
Not when they reach double didget percentages of GDP. CBO says deficits will be near 100 % GDP in 5 years. They are spending like drunken sailors.
My credit cards are maxed out so I’m going to spend my way out of debt. Is that how your house works/
March 18th, 2010 at 1:01 pmiw local, don’t say you come here for an intelligent debate and ignore the last administration.
March 18th, 2010 at 1:03 pmOK. I digress. WE the people know nothing and the Government knows what ails each and everyone of us and they will take care of us all. Good greif!
March 18th, 2010 at 1:06 pmhellinabucket says:
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iw local, don’t say you come here for an intelligent debate and ignore the last administration
Im not. Bush fuked up bad. But do remember, Dems had control in both houses for his last two years. Things were OK during the first 4.
March 18th, 2010 at 1:08 pmno it doesn’t. You’re dumb.
March 18th, 2010 at 1:11 pmGood Dog… is the phony iron worker still here?
Clearly… HE has NO job to go to…
Can anyone even begin to explain what he’s been babbling on and on about?
March 18th, 2010 at 1:13 pmThey were not and you’re still off topic.
Yer hopeless.
Geez… look at this place… what a mess…
March 18th, 2010 at 1:14 pmThe Republic of Stupidity says:
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Good Dog… is the phony iron worker still here?
Clearly… HE has NO job to go to…
Can anyone even begin to explain what he’s been babbling on and on about
Night Shift, genius
March 18th, 2010 at 1:15 pmThe Republic of Stupidity says:
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Things were OK during the first 4.
They were not and you’re still off topic.
Yer hopeless.
Geez… look at this place… what a mess
And fuk your topic. I’ll comment on what ever I please.
March 18th, 2010 at 1:18 pmiw local 03 says:
Still off topic… like I said… hopeless… and pointless.
Must suck to be you.
March 18th, 2010 at 1:24 pmFred ♪♫♪ says:
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iw local 03 says:
CBO says deficits will be near 100 % GDP in 5 years.
no it doesn’t. You’re dumb
March 18th, 2010 at 1:24 pmyes Fred, it does and they are spending my childresn’s future as much as your children’s future. What wealth does Government create other than through taxes?
The Republic of Stupidity says:
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Good Dog… is the phony iron worker still here?
Clearly… HE has NO job to go to…
Can anyone even begin to explain what he’s been babbling on and on about
If you are working, what are you doing here?
March 18th, 2010 at 1:26 pmyes Fred, it does and they are spending my childresn’s future as much as your children’s future. What wealth does Government create other than through taxes?
?? Didn’t this individual claim to be working on a bridge project in Pennsylvania? Who does this individual think is funding that project (assuming it exists)? Who funds his wages? What value will a bridge have to the local economy?
March 18th, 2010 at 1:27 pmiw, things were ok for the first 4 years of GWB? Have you completely forgotten about 9/11?
March 18th, 2010 at 1:33 pmbothWrong says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Only on here can an organization that gave $54.6 million over the past 3 years get bashed as totally evil.
GRANTED, they should do what they SAY they are going to do. Not following through on a promise is bad. I applaud their giving, but they should have follow-through.
AGAIN, your name belies the fact you are an apologist not only for the corporate abuses that they perpetrate on us…
March 18th, 2010 at 1:34 pmgummitch — this space for rent says:
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yes Fred, it does and they are spending my childresn’s future as much as your children’s future. What wealth does Government create other than through taxes?
?? Didn’t this individual claim to be working on a bridge project in Pennsylvania? Who does this individual think is funding that project (assuming it exists)? Who funds his wages? What value will a bridge have to the local economy?
Clearly a waste of money taken from taxpayers to create a government roadway with no return on investment. I travel the completed portion of the road which connects rt 51 to rt 79 and in 20 miles,I might see a dozen cars during that stretch. It’s10 years old and no one uses it. But the upkeep is enormous. Thats why the state is trying to sell it to a private company(along with I 80) to get out of the finincial burden. No one wastes Gov funds like the Feds. I’m not saying it doesnt provide a small boost, but the costs always outweigh the gains.
March 18th, 2010 at 1:38 pmI’m not saying it doesnt provide a small boost, but the costs always outweigh the gains.
“Always”? Clearly you don’t know much about roads and bridges, or the effect on the economy when they fail. Ever hear of trucks?
March 18th, 2010 at 1:40 pmhellinabucket says:
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iw, things were ok for the first 4 years of GWB? Have you completely forgotten about 9/11?
Clinton should have done more after the first WTC, the Cole , the Embassies, Somalia, etc. He should have taken Bin Laden when he was offered to him.9/11 Wiped out our most major finincial district, yet things turned around quite rapidly with his policies, which were approved by,gasp, Hillary, Kerry, and most of the Dems(including the Iraq invasion). Fannie and Freddie caused this latest finincial meltdown because banks were forced to loan money that could never be payed back. F&F took on those debts by fed regulations. Then they imploded. Another Gov entity out for the GOOD of the people. It seems that you are the one who forgot about 9/11. And if you think he was complicit in the attacks, thats the end of the conversation.
March 18th, 2010 at 1:50 pmgummitch — this space for rent says:
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I’m not saying it doesnt provide a small boost, but the costs always outweigh the gains.
“Always”? Clearly you don’t know much about roads and bridges, or the effect on the economy when they fail. Ever hear of trucks
And they are all falling apart. We cant even keep up with existing infrastructure. Lets fix that first. How many bridges must collapse before we decide to fix them?
March 18th, 2010 at 1:54 pmWhy doesn’t the MSM deliver this information as a reason for the need for reform ?
Why don’t democratic politicos trumpet this from the housetops ?
March 18th, 2010 at 1:56 pmDRINK!
March 18th, 2010 at 2:06 pmiw, I won’t defend Clinton. I didn’t vote for him. I won’t blame everything on Bush either but I won’t ignore the pisspoor manner in which the neocons bastardized our country long before Obama became president. If Clinton should have gone after OBL harder because of the first bombings at the WTC then Bush should never, I repete, never taken his eyes off of OBL. But he did and spent billions of unaccounted for dollars and thousands of lives invading and occupying a country that had nothing to do with OBL. So if you want to stay on your Freddie and Fannie kick that has the fingerprints of both sides of the aisle, go ahead. Ignore tax cuts for the rich, ignore the billions blown in Iraq, forget about the divulging of a secret agent by the Bush administration. I’m not trying to change your mind. If you don’t want to look at more than just what agrees with you, fine. But don’t expect me to swallow your myopic view as gospel.
March 18th, 2010 at 2:31 pmiw, in addition to that. Watch where you step when you say it’s seems that I have forgotten about 9/11. I lost several friends that day in both NYC and at the Pentagon and won’t stand to have my memory or respect for that day lessened by anyone.
I don’t claim to walk in your shoes so don’t claim to walk in mine. I won’t think for you and don’t allow yourself the easy strawman of claiming to think for me. Understood?
March 18th, 2010 at 2:36 pmAnd they are all falling apart. We cant even keep up with existing infrastructure. Lets fix that first. How many bridges must collapse before we decide to fix them?
Suddenly they’ve become prudent, after losing both Houses, and the presidency. Amazing what a year in the political wilderness will do, to refresh one’s memory. But the ship has already sailed on the “conservatism = fiscal responsibility” scam. Good luck trying to sell that, after supporting a trillion dollar war.
March 18th, 2010 at 2:46 pmol’ d-nozzle is still bangin’ away down here???
why ain’t he at work?
March 18th, 2010 at 2:47 pmbarfly, I’d like to see what infrastructure bills came up during the reign of Hastert and Newt.
March 18th, 2010 at 2:51 pmOh, but according to Beck and King, to do anything about this with health-care reform would be an ‘affront to God.’ Why can’t these men stop distorting Christianity for their own gain.
March 18th, 2010 at 3:06 pmAnd they are all falling apart. We cant even keep up with existing infrastructure. Lets fix that first. How many bridges must collapse before we decide to fix them?
Uh, yes, well that was exactly my point. Those are the sorts of “government projects” that contribute enormously to the economy.
March 18th, 2010 at 3:36 pmIt’s a bit disingenous to compare what Wellpoint’s Foundation gave out in grants vs. what their for-profit company paid execs. If you look at the Wellpoint Foundation website, you’ll see they gave lots to disaster recovery. Foundations are required to give away a certain percentage of their money every year, and it looks like they did that. Are their execs paid too much? Most certainly. Do they gouge customers? Yes. Should they allowed to be able to charge the prices they do? No.
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