I wonder if the dhimmi Eurabian non-Muslim populations understand the difference. Tamimi, whose duplicity was unmasked here, also reiterated his support for suicide jihad martyrdom attacks. "Firebrand Islamic academic: 'dying for your beliefs is just,'" from the Daily Mail, with thanks to John Doe:
A British-based Muslim radical appeared to back suicide bombing yesterday when he claimed that dying for your beliefs was 'just'.Dr Azzam Tamimi told an 8,000-strong crowd that standing up for your principles was the 'greatest act of martyrdom'. The 51-year-old was speaking at the ExpoIslamia convention in Manchester.
The Palestinian-born academic - who previously boasted he would carry out a suicide bombing in Israel - also repeated his public backing for Hamas, which remains banned in the UK.
He said: "The greatest act of martyrdom is standing up for what is true and just. Martyrs are those who stand up and stand up in defiance of George Bush and Tony Blair. You stand up to them and you say desist. Stop this injustice. Stop this oppression."
Dr Tamimi claimed the war on terrorism was a war on Islam. "We are Muslims in Europe, not European Muslims," he added.
"Being fair and just means finding the middle path. The middle path is not rubbing shoulders with Tony Blair and George Bush."
The crowd erupted with cheering and applause when he said that Israel had been defeated by Hezbollah. He continued: "Hamas is making sacrifices for you. We tell this government Hamas is not a terrorist group. It is elected by the people of Palestine. We are not terrorists. We are defenders of the truth. Fighting those who invade Muslims is a just cause.
"The government is trying to turn the war on terror into the war on Islam."
In November 2004, Dr Tamimi told the BBC that he was prepared to be a suicide bomber if the opportunity arose. In an interview which was roundly condemned, he said that 2sacrificing myself for Palestine was a noble cause. It is the straight way to pleasing my God and I would do it if I had the opportunity".
Dr Tamimi, a prominent member of the Stop The War coalition, is married with three children and lives in Willesden, North West London. After coming to Britain from the Middle East more than 30 years ago, he and his family have become British citizens and live in a council block.
He has repeatedly spoken out in support of Hamas and described their suicide bomb tactics as 'the courage of man'.
In July 2004, he invited the radical Sheikh Yusuf Al Qaradawi to the UK. Al Qaradawi, who spoke at a taxpayer subsidised conference in London - has called for a war on Jews and the execution of homosexuals.
To confront the MUSLIM we must do what has elevated the common man all over the world. Islam teaches memory the old way via repetition. This demands that the student be given the content. Original thought is thus stifled. "Nothing can be better than it once was". New generations are penalized. "The future can always be better". (Dr Teller)
The unwashed masses of the world prefer a method used by Aristotole, Cicero, and Christ. The making of everything into 'rediculous pictures' in the mind is challenging, creates a need for imagination as is based on that person's mind alone. This learning increases exponentially.
If accomplished, the old ways of Islam as have the old ways of Greece, Rome, and Israel, are sent to the trash heap. Now Modern Rome and Modern Israel, Russia, India and many others are seeing how the 'Ridiculous' does point the way to the future. The other, memorization, bores us all and points to the mistakes of the past...and while important for history, it doesn’t cure anyone of bad thoughts. This cure comes from an understanding of Love of one's own life and the bettering of his/her life. This creates confidence as we remember those things that make each of us feel good. And if you try it you will see that only when you accomplish things with one another do you really feel good. It's the memory that lasts.
Posted by: Wyatt at August 21, 2006 11:59 AM
Well, I'll return the honesty and say that
when the time comes, I'll have no problem
dispensing justice to the Muslim fifth columnists
in our midsts. It's not too hard to locate many of them either.
Meanwhile, I want to put up the latest from the Western-based Islamist journalist I detest the most:
Mohammed Haroon Siddiqui Belches Again
This former suit-salesman from Hyderabad has been a malicious silver-tongued race-baiting PC firebrand from day one. After the first Gulf War, he was a rallying point for Islamist activism. As an editor of the Toronto Star, he eventually got so shrill, that the Toronto Star had to push him into a semi-retirement as "Editor Emeritus".
And now feeling alienated in the post-9/11 environment, he points to India's minority-biased system as an example the West needs to follow. As an Indian, I always feel my blood pressure rise when I read this guy's crap.
No Islamic activist apologist journalist infuriates me more than this miserable predator. If you don't believe me, scroll to the bottom of that article and click to read from the list of other articles he's written. He was like CAIR before CAIR even existed.
"The 51-year-old was speaking at the ExpoIslamia convention in Manchester."
I think there's a typo there: it should be the "ExploIslamia convention".
Tamimi insists on telling the truth. Of course there is no such thing as "European Islam." There is no different text of Qur'an and Hadith and Sira stamped "European edition." Islam does not offer different versions of its immutable texts, the texts that inhibit free and skeptical inquiry, or any possible interpretive escape, a thousand years after the Gates of Ijtihad swung shut with a thud.
How Tariq Ramadan, with his phony but plausible to some (some, such as Olivier Roy and Gilles "Always Wrong" Kepel, the boys who just want to have fun, and want to be fooled about Islam), must be tearing at his hair. For this business of creating a "European Islam" -- carefully undefined, as it must be -- is the shtick of Tariq Ramadan.
And now, along comes Tamimi, and queers the pitch.
Oh well, Tariq Ramadan can still try to get into the United States, where he really wants to be in any case. After all, it's the hardest nut to crack in one sense, but then there are all those sweet scott applebys to supply grants, and to defend you against the know-nothings of the CIA and FBI (not to mention all those people -- chomskys and zinns and the usual suspects, rounding up themselves to sign the indignant and impassioned letter of support for Tariq Ramadan -- who will make him as welcome as they possibly can.
Yes, that's it. Forget about that "European Islam" stuff. It won't wash. Light out for the territories. Go west, young Ramadan. Go to America, where so many are waiting to give you grants (start with the Kroc Center, but don't end there -- knock up the Carnegie Foundation, now handing out money left and right to anyone who can put the words "Islam" and "Reform" together in a sentence, thanks to Vartan Gregorian's nostalgia for his childhood in Tabriz and his own failure to understand Islam through the glow of his memories, and the new man coming aboard, who is if anything even worse, heading some damn program on Islam and its self-amelioration, all music to the ears of Infidels who don't want to believe, can't bear to believe, the evidence not only of their senses, but of their minds, if only they allowed those minds of theirs to study Islam, its doctrine and its 1350 years of practice.
Yes, here it is: American Islam. The brand new kind of Islam, so different from Islam in the MIddle East, and in Pakistan, and in Bangladesh, and in Malaysia, and in Indonesia. So different from the Islam in Algeria, and the Sudan, and northern Nigeria. So different too from the Islam in Europe, the Islam practiced by Muslims in Bradford and London, in Madrid and Amsterdam, in Hamburg and Cologne, in Marseille and Paris, and in so many places.
American Islam is so very different. Isn't that the theme of so many articles in The New Duranty Times and in The Boston Globe these days, with smiling faces of young people, so normal, so attractive, at Dearborn High, and with all those impressive statistics about the educational level, and the income level -- oh yes, only the undereducated, only the poorer, Muslims we are now told, despite all the contrary evidence, are the danger, and that just doesn't happen in America. And besides, the American "melting pot" is so very different from the European countries, that have apparently done everything they can, and for decades, to make the lives of Muslims hard, to reject them, to make them feel "humiliated" despite the fantastic benefits -- the free health care, the free education, the nearly-free housing, the constant solicitude for Muslim sensiblities at every level of government and in the press -- and yet somehow it hasn't worked.
So we will be hearing a lot more about "American Islam" as the savior of Islam and of those Infidels from here on out. The farce of "European Islam" will come to an end, and as the curtain comes slowly down on Europe, it will rise on a new farce, just booked, here in the United States.
Of course there is no "American Islam" as there is no "European Islam." There is no special magic, or immunity from Jihad and the tenets of Islam that prompt Jihad, and that inculcate hostility toward Infidels, because Islam itself is so clearly based on the division of the world between Believer and Infidel, that will be found arising from the teachings of Islam in Dearborn, or in Bay Ridge in Brooklyn, or in Falls Church, Virginia, or in Houston, or in Columbus, Ohio. No, it will be the same Islam, the Islam of Shi'a and Sunni, and within Sunni Islam of all four schools of jurisprudence -- the Islam in which Jihad is a duty, sometimes collective and sometimes individual, to remove all obstacles to the spread of Islam, to ensure that Islam does spread, using all of the instruments of Jihad (of which combat, or qital, is only one, and at present not the most effective), so that Islam dominates everywhere, and everywhere Muslims rule. It will take time. Muslims are patient.
Are Infidels capable of the same patience, in throwing back the menace of Islam, a menace not only to the physical security, even the lives, of Infidels, but also to the civilizational legacy that they inherited and to which further contributions might be made, but could never have been made, and will never be made, within an Islam-dominated society.
"European Islam."
"American Islam."
A farce, but not by Feydeau.
Allah is NOT God.
Jesus (Isa) is NOT Allah.
Allah is Shaytan.
The Qur'an cannot be corrected, because Muslims regard it as immutable. Therefore, it can properly only be rejected.
Never will the Tanakh (Taurat) and the New Testament (Injeel) be bastardized by amalgamation or concatenation or "coordination" with the demonstrably false Qur'an.
henry?? What in the world are you talking about? Are you quoting Wyatt from another post?
Off topic...
For those of you interested, Robert is on Coast to Coast AM w/George Noory tonight. He's on the first hour from 10-11pm PDT.
Sorry if this was already known, but I didn't see anything about it.
Kindly keep the use of capital letters to a minimum. From now on all-caps missives will be promptly deleted. Those capitals shout, they rant. They get on the nerves. They get on my nerves.
Put those capital letters out on the street, and if the cry "caps for sale" doesn't relieve you of your store, then simply put them in the nearest dumpster.
Furthermore, arguments against a belief system based on thinly-veiled appeals to other belief-systems are not as welcome here as at other, specifically Christian (or Hindu, or Jewish, or Buddhist) sites. This site is about Jihad and Dhimmitude. It is not about how "Allah" is "God" or how Muslims should be made to see the superiority of Islam. It is much more about how Muslims themselves should be deprived of the aid and sympathy of Infidels, and instead forced to confront the connection between the political, economic, social, moral and intellectual failures of Muslim states and peoples, and the teachings of Islam, and thee attitudes and atmospherics to which those teachings naturally give rise.
Robert's radio appearances are listed at #012799 on the main JW page.
The man must be dead tired, but thank God for him.
Concerned Citizen...
Thanks, I found it. I was in a hurry to post it so that people would see it right away and did a text search on the main page and a few of the current threads for "coast". Didn't think to search for George Noory.
My bad.
redshirt
sanman,
I see your point about this guy. This entire article is "boo-hoo we muslims are sooo poor and helpless. No wonder we're turning to terrorism." Bull. Crap.
Following your advice and scanning the rest of his articles I see such intelligent sounding titles as:
"Israel's Failed Mission into Lebanon." (You mean the one where Israel succefully trashed Hezbollah until reluctantly agreeing to a cease-fire?)
"Subdued Dutch Return to Moderate Middle" (Read: properly Re-Dhimmified)
"How the Tolerant Dutch Became Intolerant" (All those murders and threats had to have some effect.)
and let's not forget.
"Nobel Laureate flays Bush" (Oh would he have anything to do with the same asinine comitee that awarded Arafat the peace prize? Well that's good, a Muslim would have literally flayed him alive.)
Has Mr. Spencer and/or Hugh ever done anything on this guy? If not than I strongly believe they should. Beneath his rational explanations of poverty and alienation that sound so soothing to Western ideas lies a deadly vein of Muslim chauvinism and arrogance. And Trojan horses like him are far more dangerous than the Muslims who are actually honest and proclaim their desire for domination.
americaningermany
Bal Thackeray - leader of the Shiv Sena in India, once said, "We want Muslims of India, not Muslims in India". Needless to say, he knows that the former is a fictitious entity.
Its time to put the SUCKERS under the SPANNER
Hugh,
Thank-you for reminding henry about the need to keep the ALL CAPS to a minimun. If my memory is correct, and I am not a pro at this, in the internet world, putting words in ALL CAPS means you are screaming. That is considered a big no-no.
Assalamau Laikum all,
"We are Muslims in Europe, not European Muslims"
In other words they have not made the transformation to wuslims.
I am very sorry to read this....I believe that Mohideen Ibramsha was of the same ilk despite teaching maths to teh Amerekie for 25 years.
Muslims must make this most important transition and integrate to a level sufficient to keep the infedel happy and take on the important roles of councillars, mayors, civil servants, etc.
As the population of wuslims grows AND becomes more influential...the west is your oyster....what is wrong with these peoples? Why can they not see this vision?
Naseem,
"Why can they not see this vision?"
Muslims are DUMB while all have developed.
Naseem,
"Why can they not see this vision?"
Muslims are DUMB while all have developed.
Tamimi: "We are Muslims in Europe, not European Muslims"
The truth is spoken, this should make it easier to Deport Muslims in Europe, and no argument can be made claiming "we are European Muslims". Muslims lie about a lot, but tell the truth when it comes to the violent tone of their "religion". They continue to try to force their "religion" upon the peoples of the world. Their religious clerics continue to incite the followers to follow the Qur'an and dispense with the non-believers and slay them where you find them.
Deport Muslims NOW!!
Kick his ass out and put him on the same, leaky trawler you assign to Abu Abdullah. Let them be bunk mates.
Rinse, lather, repeat until your hair is free of blood-sucking parasitic lice like these two.
"I am very sorry to read this....I believe that Mohideen Ibramsha was of the same ilk despite teaching maths to teh Amerekie for 25 years.
Muslims must make this most important transition and integrate to a level sufficient to keep the infedel happy and take on the important roles of councillars, mayors, civil servants, etc.
As the population of wuslims grows AND becomes more influential...the west is your oyster....what is wrong with these peoples? Why can they not see this vision?"
Posted by: Naseem at August 22, 2006 08:21 AM
Study those words. A down-market version of Tariq Ramadan, urging his followers to quiet down, not to attract too much attention, to use Da'wa and demographic conquest, and above all, to gain entry into the society, to enter and rise high, and gain in influence, but not because he foresees some splendid participation in Muslims adding their flavor to the national stew, or helping the Infidel nation-state to flourish.
Not at all. Like Naseem above, who once again demonstrates her usefulness, Tariq Ramadan wishes Muslims to infiltrate everywhere for the sake of Islam. They may work with those Infidels willing, out of fear or pusillanimity or simple innocence, to collaborate with them, to help them along. Examples of such slow Muslim takeover of lands are all about us -- see the East Indies. And today, the same thing can be seen at the U.N., within its bureacuracy and reflected in its comically slanted agenda.
Never will Naseem be banned. Never.
in lands where people vote, the Muslims are flooding the areas with Muslim voters, guarranting Muslim election victories. Muslims in charge of anything is bad. Muslims should not be allowed to vote. It is happening.
Hugh - thanks for everything including the previous tips on deconstruction Naseem, but I've studied Naseem in her various avatars enough now. I skip over her postings now. She hasn't had anything new to offer for a while. That's just me personally, however. I do agree it's important to allow her to continue to post for the benefit of other viewers.
By the way - thanks for your investment of time and talent on this site. You've helped me a great deal and what you're doing is vitally important. Please keep up the outstanding contribution.
I wondering why the muslims think they are all that and a bag of chips. From what I've noticed, they are savage, backward, superstitious and use way too much cologne. They can't say they are techno, they haven't produced anything on their own. They prey on their own children. They don't love their children. They have no conscience or empathy for anything. They are ashamed of their women. They are victims in their own imaginations. They are helpless and emasculated as males or females.
I'm just not seeing the greatness they have for themselves.
freewoman,
mohammed told them that gabriel told him that allah said they were the greatest of all peoples.
Poetess, allah lied. And yet, they truly are great criminals, liars and killers and ignorant. But it's really nothing to be proud of.
Americaningermany
You need to use HTML, not copied text from MS Word. There are a few tags that you can use on this site. Generally, HTML has a very rich set of tags that can be used to denote a variety of contexts, but only a few of them work here, as shown below. Put any of the commands below within triangular brackets (known in HTML lingo as 'tags'), and make sure to end the section that you wish to italicize with a / within the tag, and
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blockquote
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You can find out more about HTML, and how the above tags work, at the site below.
http://www.htmlcodetutorial.com/
Hope this helps - and no, it's not stupid at all. Just because we have political opinions doesn't mean we are HTML coders.
Infidel Pride,
The html website that you have posted I have bookmarked for my own learning help. This should refresh my memory. Thanks.
Tammimi claims the war on terrorism is a war against Islam.
There we have it, straight from the horse's mouth.Islam = terrorism.
Duh.
"Never will Naseem be banned. Never.
Posted by: Hugh"
This ego stroking of a sub-human doesn't help our cause. Just a thought.
http://www.douglasfarah.com/article/92/europe-remains-center-of-islamist-focus
I have been hearing people complain about the terror threat not being real.
Or that a change in foreign policy would stop the terror threats. Which is what the muslims are saying.
Or that when Bush and Blair get voted out it will stop.
Or that if Israel didn't exist things would be calm.
They haven't looked at history.
They just don't get it.
It really doesn't matter if there is EVER another attack.
IF muslims gain power in any country the life of anyone who is not a muslim will never be safe again. Just think back to the horrible injustices which occured in the 7th century. THAT IS WHAT WE WILL BE BACK TO LIVING LIKE IF MUSLIMS HAVE CONTROL.
Most muslims would not kill you, but they would not stop the one who would.
Most muslims would not plant a bomb, but they would not stop the one who would.
Most muslims would not overthrow the government, but they would not stop the one who would bring sharia to your country.
Most muslims would not rape your daughter, but they would think she deserved it.
Most muslims would not slap you down and humiliate you while you pay your taxes like a beaten slave but would agree that you should be humiliated per the koran.
Most muslims would not demand that you cut your hair and wear the zunnar, but would be glad that their iman would demand it.
Most muslims would be happy for you to look at the koran, if you convert, but would scream if an infidel touched the arabic version which would be polluted by your touch.
Most muslims would not throw stones at your funeral procession but they would demand that you be buried somewhere else so you don't pollute their cemetaries.
Most muslims won't burn your church down but would gladly watch as it falls down because repairs have been forbidden by the muslim powers that be.
A non-muslim can't safely enjoy life under muslim control.
So, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ANOTHER ATTACK EVER HAPPENS.
Qaradawi, who spoke at a taxpayer subsidised conference in London>/i
I don't know who wrote Star Trek, Next Generation and introduced the concept of the Borg, but I can't help but think that he had in mind Islam.
These people have no sense of self, no individual identity, they get livid, incensed, go berserk and insane over any perceived affront to a muslim, and a perceived affront to a single musim is perceived as an affront to all of Islam..
Reality is nothing, especially for muslims, and perception is all..they have a unique and remarkable facility which we in the west and those in Israel should imitate and copy..they have this facility for initiating aggression, and then turning reality on it's head and playing the victim, when the aggression is responded to in self defense.
"the concept of the Borg, but I can't help but think that he had in mind Islam.
These people have no sense of self, no individual identity, they get livid, incensed, go berserk and insane over any perceived affront to a muslim, and a perceived affront to a single musim is perceived as an affront to all of Islam."
The Borg as depicted in the Star Trek franchise is a unit of parts which are half machine, half organism, but one thing they do not have is emotion or passion. They don't get angry, let alone incensed or go berserk; they don't take umbrage, they just follow their imperative to swallow up the enemy. In that respect -- of an utter lack of emotional volatility -- they are unlike Muslims.
They were human until they were assimilated.
...We are one. We are The Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile....
Here's a little moral equivalancey from the Borg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeXocZpZgp8
"" We are muslims. We are the umma. We will conquer the world. Allah told us so. Resistance is futile...."" Sound familiar?
They were capable of passion. Now they are only focused on assimilating all others into the One.
For your own good of course....