Pakistani loses ears, nose for love marriage

Heaven forfend that some would marry for love. Heathen savages.

A glooming peace this morning with it brings;
The sun, for sorrow, will not show his head:
Go hence, to have more talk of these sad things;
Some shall be pardon'd, and some punished:
For never was a story of more woe
Than this of Juliet and her Romeo.

I wonder what a Muslim Romeo and Juliet would look like? Any ideas?

On a lighter note, hat tip to TROP.COM,
George the Calf escapes death.
http://www.news24.com/News24/Entertainment/Off_Beat/0,9294,2-1225-2107_2050702,00.html

The muslim version of Romeo and Juliet...

The kafir acting company and the kafir audience humiliate muslims by letting the ho actress playing Juliette walk around on stage with her meat uncovered, and the mullahs send a 14 year old kid wearing a suicide belt to the next performance to blow up the entire theater halfway through the first act and thereby restore muslim honor... There can't be a muslim version of Romeo and Juliette, unless Juliette covers her meat...

Just another Reminder to be grateful for not belonging to the " Relgion of Pieces ", literally.

What a sick Culture!

edit: " Religion of pieces" ^^^

Honestly, what a beautiful picture of islamic life. Such peace.

Barbarians. He should be grateful they stopped at his ears and nose.

And what did his brother and mother have to do with it ? Wonder what they'll do to his wife when they catch her..........

It is behavior like this that makes me ever so happy that my government and the churches and their relief agencies have seen it right and meet to move thousands of tribalist Muslims to my neck of the woods. I am sure the local liberals would love some Pakistabis to add some zest to the multi-culti salad here.

Honor killings and such acts have occured else where in the west, it is only a matter of time before it comes Minnesotastan. Already little girls are having their genitals mutilated here.

A the risk of sounding bad, Islam and Muslims have no place in the west with their backwards tribalism of which this story is a horrific example of. Not all cultures and religions are the same. It is elementary and basic knowledge, that sadly is rare, but can and will save lives.

What a touching story.

I'm so glad that Keith Ellison is going to swear an oath of allegience to the people of the United States and to our Constitution today on a book that thinks this kind of behavior is just dandy.

Let the covert, underground resistance begin.

It could be argued that this might merely reflect primitive customs and manners, and does not necessarily reflect Islam. But to that one might reply that unlike Christianity, which has softened those primitive customs and manners, Islam has done nothing to do so, itself embodying the manners and customs of seventh-century Arabia, so primitive in the attitudes, in the emphasis on violence and aggression, that Islam naturally cultivates or inculcates. And furthermore, the habit of mental submission that Islam demands of its adherents makes them far less able or likely to question those customs and those manners, unless they are declared to be "un-Islamic." And that has not occurred, and won't, because they aren't.

Of course this sort of thing happens. It's to be expected.

The fun part is Reuters' use of the expression "conservative rural areas." The correct adjective is, of course, "medieval", "fundamentalist", or perhaps "loony."

What's that you say? That IS what "conservative" means to Reuters? Nevermind then.

A version of "All For Love, or The World Well Lost"?

Dryden, and primitive Pakistan, do not mix.

Hugh wrote:

It could be argued that this might merely reflect primitive customs and manners, and does not necessarily reflect Islam. But to that one might reply that unlike Christianity, which has softened those primitive customs and manners, Islam has done nothing to do so, itself embodying the manners and customs of seventh-century Arabia, so primitive in the attitudes, in the emphasis on violence and aggression, that Islam naturally cultivates or inculcates. And furthermore, the habit of mental submission that Islam demands of its adherents makes them far less able or likely to question those customs and those manners, unless they are declared to be "un-Islamic." And that has not occurred, and won't, because they aren't.

That's a very important comment. Thanks as usual, Hugh.

More Islam is needed. The answer is Islam.

Trust the sickular Indian doctors and surgeons to offer their services FREE to sew up, suture and replace mutilated organs---all in the name of gandigiri. bachhans, khans, azmis , maniratnams, kamalhassans too would pitch in with a hell of a lot of their BLACK money towards their rehabilitation.

Only Rupin Katyals, upright and honest Customs officials like Calcutta Port Trust's DCP Mehta(s) and his Nepali Gorkha Bodyguard(s) can have their EYES GOUGED out, Genitals smeared with excoriating materials, gruesomely tortured and yanked out with Forward Bloc's ministers kalimuddin shams applauding as that is the lot of Hindu Infidels in Khanisthan.

Oh ! I have REally come to like and respect Dawood Ibrahims of the world. The *branded terrorists* are spawned by Our Same Maker to deal with the "no prawblem,evrything under control,joint terror mechanism to bring pissssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh".

Imagine what would have happened to Shehnaz if she'd been home. Islam sees women as only possessions but Mohammad Iqbal rose above that and suffered torture and mutilation to protect his wife.

Mohammad Iqbal is a man of honour who deserves more than just our respect. I hope some Kafir cosmetic surgeon will offer to rebuild his nose and ears at no cost.

I also believe that people like Shehnaz and Mohammad Iqbal should be given asylum in the West. Just like dissidents and refugees from Communism were once automatically given asylum, refugees from Islam, who have proven with their tortured bodies and risked lives that they have broken free of Muslim backwardness, should be given the same asylum.

Poor wretch … no longer able to smell the stench of Islam or hear its lies.

Islam, the religion by, for and of bullies.

It could be argued that this might merely reflect primitive customs and manners, and does not necessarily reflect Islam. But to that one might reply that unlike Christianity, which has softened those primitive customs and manners, Islam has done nothing to do so, itself embodying the manners and customs of seventh-century Arabia, so primitive in the attitudes, in the emphasis on violence and aggression, that Islam naturally cultivates or inculcates. And furthermore, the habit of mental submission that Islam demands of its adherents makes them far less able or likely to question those customs and those manners, unless they are declared to be "un-Islamic." And that has not occurred, and won't, because they aren't.

huh?

That's a very important comment. Thanks as usual, Hugh. huh? (but telling)

I think we need a special sarcasm tag.

Following anecdote from the comments section of the Guardian about an article by the Muslim propagandist Safraz Manzoor entitled "Britain should integrate into Muslim values" (4th Jan 07)

"When I was a teenager in late 70's Birmingham I had a Pakistani girlfriend (I'm English, half -Irish). She was the absolute love of my life. Her family had known me since I was a lad and I played with her brothers. At 17, when our relationship came to light, she was beaten in the street outside our houses and I was surrounded by her brothers with knives. It changed me forever, I thought we were all part of the same team? I thought it was the 20th Century not the 13th? Thankfully she got away into a shelter before being sent back to Pakistan (though her brother burnt her with a hot knife) - she is now a nurse in Scotland and we keep in touch. Her youngest brother deals smack out of a pub in Lozells... I see him around. Nice values."

Armed men cut off the ears and nose of a Pakistani man who married one of their tribe for love after he and his family refused to hand over his wife, police said on Wednesday.
........................

The horror. These two married for love, a beautiful thing in any time and place, and he, his brother and his mother are horribly disfigured for life--because he will not *turn over his wife* to her persuers. This may not be the end of it--no doubt they will not stop seeking her now. As horrible as the violence her tribe has meted out to their in-laws, her fate is likely to be worse--almost certainly death.

It disgusts me so much when Muslims talk about their dedication to "family values", when those "values" often include forced marriages, child-brides, polygamy, and "honor" killings, as well as the admonition that a Muslim man should consider his own wife and children to be his enemies, lest they distract him from the single-minded worship of Allah and pursuit of Jihad.

The West first started, tentatively, to deal with the idea of love matches with the French chansons de romance in the twelth century. Shakespeare wrote "Romeo and Juliette" in 1595. Most of the earliest tales of the pursuit of true love were tragedies.

With the early nineteenth century we finally find stories like those by Jane Austen, where marriages are still often for money or status, but romantic love and a happy ending are at least at times possible.

I'm just finishing Charles Dicken's "Nicholas Nickleby". Our hero is in love with a girl who is almost forced into a loveless marriage with a much older man who offers to pay her father's extensive debts. This man (who is also attempting to defraud the girl of an inheritance) is rightly depicted as a villian. And yet, even here, in a rather melodramatic book written almost a hundred and seventy-five years ago, he is not threatening to kill her or mutilate her family. As evil as this is, it is positively humane compared to what is going on, *today*, in real life, in Pakistan and other Muslim countries.

Of course, Nicholas rescues the girl. They marry for love, as do several other couples in the book.

Tomorrow (January Fifth) is my wedding anniversary. I never would have met my wonderful husband Michael through my rather disfunctional family. We have been together for eighteen years.

I thank God that I live in a place and time when you can marry for love. It is not something to take for granted.

Apropos the comments of Provoslavni, wallyuk, gravenimage, Imnodhimmi and lots and lots of such similar thinking clones:

What is behind this selective, a tad too overwhelmingly effusive and saccharinous/aspartamey heartbleeding and concern (!!!) for the "WOMENFOLK" of Islam, veiled and unveiled ?

Has it got something to do with the devonshire creamy contours and seductive features of the ohsofamiliar female anatomy ? That explains partly the neverebbing interest in naseems ;))

Recall Shirdi Baba CLUBBED with His Characteristic Panache one such *person* that pined for a dekko at a veiled Muslim woman....lol...

Too much of curry gives dyspepsia and flatulence
to the highly sophisticated and refined...which can be cured only by fasting on dhimmitude ;))

Gravenimage,

Could you do a recheck before you spin your spiel...err...was it Christopher Marlowe or Shakespeare......?

Also Jane Austen has been so pithily assessed and deservedly DISdainfully jettisoned by R.W.Emerson ;))

Your 'neat and sweet' (sic) 'informed synopsis' on loooovvvvvvve (love) is good enough for your wedding anniversary !

MOTHERrrrrrr Ecclesiasticaaaaahh...,

Recall the "chopping block stained by the blood of Hindus and Sikhs" where you claimed you ohsovaliantly "defended yourself" in Mumbai? I confess, I was adequately impressed ;)

More heart rending is the brutal Realization that your innards are full of "bacon" blood((

Need some basic lessons in Bible mothereeeee???

Wonder if you can afford my price!

>>I would love to be able to tell you through this 'page' what I think of your psuillanimous post above>>

Guffawing out loudly...Gol...
GO AHEAD !

Why fearr motherrrrr with so much lllllovvvvve in the err....AIR:(((

Crows & Crows -
I dig chicks.... I like to think of Naseem like this:

http://www.yasmeenghauri.net/

Yes, I'm a man and I have weaknesses...

Guys

You all should be knowing better by now than to wish well of Muslim victims of Islamic violence. It isn't like they won't be a problem if exported to bilad ul Kafir.

Let them stew in their own juices. In fact, treat something like this as a miniaturized version of an intra-Islamic civil war.

Plaque,

I agree with you about Yasmeen Ghauri. In fact, one of the saddest things about Islam is that so much physical beauty is hidden away under burqas. Hey it's a male perspective but I don't apologize for that.

Thank you A_Plague_on_Both_Houses for your honest reply.

Thank you Infidel Pride for your very important, wise reply and counsel.

This particular weakness was exploited by certain people from Algeria all the way to France and I need not amplify.

Recall Arthur Clarke settled for good in Sri Lanka who was found to be a paedophile (newspaper reports). But the "intellectuals" of Sri Lanka callously brushed it aside granting him special privileges and status simply because he is some scientist:((

Where are our VALUES??? What are our VALUES???

Kalpana Chawla who vaingloriously took off scattered into smithereens. Scientist...ashes to ashes .....dust to dust...

Crows&Cows,

My "concern (!!!) for the "WOMENFOLK" of Islam" is neither "effusive" or "heartbleeding" but that of normal Christian (hopefully) gentleman who was brought up to respect all women unless they willfully do something to lose that respect. Nor is it "selective" since I wish to see anyone oppressed to break free. There is no denying that women are oppressed in Islam.

Beyond that my concern is personal, in that I know many Muslims (male and female) who are otherwise decent human beings and deserve much better than enslavement to the totalitarian ideolgy of Islam.

Provoslavni - you've expressed it quite well. Thanks.

For those in quest of TRUTH and not "harvesting & saving of souls" the following:

After about 300 years of intense persecution under
the Portuguese and the Dutch, the Hindus of Jaffna
heaved a sigh of relief when the British took over at
the fag end of the 18th century.

The era of forcible conversions to Catholicism (under
the Portuguese) and to Protestantism (under the Dutch)
was over.

In the liberal atmosphere created by the British, most
converts reverted to their traditional religion,
namely, Hinduism.

Daniel Poor, a pioneer of the American Ceylon Mission
(ACM) noted that with the Dutch yoke off their
shoulders, the Hindus of Jaffna returned to "sweet
idolatory" and temple building was resumed at a
frenetic pace.

As Dr Murugar Gunasingam says in his book, Sri Lankan
Tamil Nationalism: A Study of its Origins (MV
Publications, Sydney 1999), there were as many as 329
Hindu temples in Jaffna in 1814. Many had come up in
the first few years of British rule.

Earlier, the Portuguese had destroyed as many as 500
temples. In Dutch times, temples were in disuse, as
the Brahmin priests had been chased out.

Threat from a new quarter

But British rule did not turn out to be an unmixed
blessing.

It had created a new danger, the danger of conversion
through education and systematic propaganda through
the use of the new print medium.

The new political and economic order established by
the British was creating employment opportunities for
the Hindus of Jaffna, which necessitated an education.

And the Hindu Tamil youth of Jaffna were eager to
seize these opportunities and acquire an English
education for that purpose.

Seeing a potential in this for gaining converts, the
new Protestant missions which followed the British
flag, set up schools and boarding houses, including
some for girls.

Printing presses were established to churn out easily
accessible Christian literature on a large scale.

The new British rulers handed over government-run
schools to the missionaries, and gave grants-in-aid to
non-government schools. The latter was a great help
to missionary-run schools.

The missionary-run schools and medical missions, with
their dedicated and selfless staff, presented a very
new and beguiling face to the people of Jaffna, who,
under Portuguese and Dutch rule earlier, had been
dragooned into accepting Christianity and economically
exploited thereafter by the state-backed missionaries.

Missions fail to make headway

However, despite possessing all the necessary tools
for mass conversion, the Protestant missionaries did
not make much headway.

According to Dr Gunasingam determined evangelisation
by the American Ceylon Mission (ACM) from 1816 to 1839
had yielded only 492 converts.

Success eluded the Wesleyan Mission and the Church
Missionary Society (CMS) also.

Gunasingam says that conversion was low because,
unlike the Portuguese or the Dutch, the British did
not make conversion a necessity for obtaining
government jobs or state patronage.

The British had also declared that they would not
allow forcible conversions.

Missionaries create insecurity

But many Jaffna Hindu Tamils, mainly of the elite
Vellala, Chettiar and Brahmin castes, felt that the
power of the missionaries was insidious.

They feared that if the Hindus, mainly Saivite, were
not careful, they could be overwhelmed by the
missionaries armed with all the tools of modern
propaganda then available, namely, a virtual monopoly
over the educational system and the printed word.

The liberal education, which the mission schools
provided, had created awareness among the Saivites and
sharpened their critical faculties.

While the missionaries hoped that education would make
the young Saivites see the truth of Christianity and
the falsehood of Saivism, it had the opposite impact,
notes Gunasingam.

Often, education made the student critical of
Christianity and see the danger that it posed to his
own indigenous religion.

But this, by itself, did not make the Saivites take
measures to assert their faith and oppose the
proselytising activities of the missionaries.

What triggered active resistance was the stepping up
of vile anti-Saivite propaganda by the missionaries.

According to Gunasingam, the missionaries started
attacking Saivisim and Saivite practices viciously
because they were frustrated with the poor rate of
conversion.

In his article entitled Arumuga Navalar and the Hindu
Renaissance Among the Tamils in the book "Religious
Controversy in British India" edited by Kenneth W
Jones, D Dennis Hudson gives a particularly telling
example of the missionary view of Saivism.

He quotes the Protestant periodical Morning Star as
saying: "There is nothing in the peculiar doctrines
and precepts of the Saiva religion that is adapted to
improve a man's moral character or fit him to be
useful to his fellow men".

"If the world were to be converted to the Saiva faith,
no one would expect any improvement in the morals or
the happiness of men."

"Everyone might be a great liar and cheat, as great an
adulterer, as oppressive of the poor, as covetous, as
proud, as he was before without the purity of faith."

The "Skandapuranam" one of the most sacred texts of
Saivism, was denounced as a set of "extravagant
fictions many of which are of immoral tendency."

The Morning Star and other publications were also
making disparaging remarks against the famous
Kandaswamy temple in Nallur, saying that it was a den
vice.

The attacks on this temple, which was the nerve centre
of Saivisim in the Jaffna peninsula, was seen as a
frontal assault on Tamil culture and Tamil pride.

Rise of Hindu protest

The first to protest against such characterisations
and write against Christianity was Muthukumara
Kavirajar (1780-1851).

His works, which were printed later, became an
important weapon in the armoury of the Saivites.

The first collective action on the part of the
Saivites of Jaffna was a meeting held by a group drawn
from the elite Vellala, Brahmin and Chettiar
communities, at the Siva temple at Vannarpannai in
September 1842.

Among the leading lights present were Sathasiva
Pillai, Swaminatha Iyar, Viswanatha Iyar, Arumuga
Pillai, Kandaswamy Pillai and Arumuga Chettiar.

The group decided to set up a "Veda-Agama" School to
teach children the Vedas, the Agamas (temple worship)
and the elements of Saivisim.

The plan was to discourage parents from sending their
children to Christian mission schools.

It was also decided to purchase a printing press to
counter the media war unleashed by the missionaries.

Though the purchase of a printing press took time, the
Veda Agama school started functioning in 1842.

Enter Arumuga Navalar

It was at this time that Arumugam Pillai (1822-1879)
entered the scene with a bang.

As Arumuga Navalar or simply as Navalar, he was to
become Sri Lanka's foremost Saivite or Hindu
revivalist; the harbinger of Tamil nationalism; and
the cutting edge of the long, and successful campaign
against Christian proselytising.

Navalar was unique among the campaigners for Saivism
in Jaffna in as much as he was into it full time.

He had stubbornly remained unmarried to retain his
independence.

Having been a student of, and a teacher in, the
Wesleyan School, where he was the favourite of the
Missionary cum Principal, Peter Percival, Navalar,
came with a good grounding in Christianity. This
helped him argue against it authoritatively.

He took to Christian methods of preaching which had
been effective. Like the Christian pastors, he
preached in the places of worship.

On December 18, 1847, Navalar set the ball rolling
with a lecture at the Vaideeswara temple in
Vannarpannai. He lectured there every Friday.

And he went from place to place together with his
devoted colleague and assistant, Kartikeya Aiyar of
Nallur.

Taking the cue from the Christian missionaries,
Navalar made his religion relevant to real life. In
his lectures, he would stress, apart from the
theological and liturgical aspects of Saivism, the
evils of adultery and drunkenness; the virtue of
non-killing; the need to treat women with respect; the
importance of giving alms; and the need to protect the
cow.

Navalar gave a new interpretation to Saivisim which
instilled in his audiences pride in their traditional
faith. Simultaneously, he sought reform of Hindu
society.

His endeavours helped blunt the Christian
missionaries' criticism of Hinduism and Hindu
practices.

Drew similarities between Saivism and Christianity

Hudson notes that Navalar took a very novel approach
to Saivism and and Christianity.

He drew similarities between them and used them to
argue that the Christian missionaries had no right to
criticise Saivism and paint it in lurid colours.

Navalar noticed striking parallels between the
liturgies of the temple in Jerusalem and the temples
of Siva in Sri Lanka and India.

He pointed out that the Israelites, who were chosen by
God as his own children, believed that the Lord dwelt
in the ark made of wood and lived between the
cherubim. And He had bestowed grace upon them.

Likewise, the Saivites believed that God dwelt in the
idol of Siva and bestowed grace on them.

The Israelites made a sanctuary for the worship of
God. The Saivites built temples.The Isrealites
worshiped the cherubim and the bronze serpent. The
Saivites worshiped images made of gold and silver.

The Israelites displayed bread and wine in their
temples. The Saivites kept fruits as prasadam. Both
Israelites and Saivites burnt incense.

The Israelites burnt the heifer (cow) and took its
ashes for use. The Saivites used the ashes from the
dung of the heifer as "Tiruneer" or "Vibhuti".

Navalar wondered why the missionaries approved what
the Israelites did, and disapproved a similar thing
done by the Saivites.

If they could justify the Israelite rituals as a means
to absorb the thoughts of God, the Saivities could
justify their rituals too, he argued.

Navalar pointed out that Christ and the early
Christians followed the rites and ceremonies of the
temple.

The bible had said that it was the duty of every
Christian to observe them. How then could the
missionaries now abandon them, he asked.

In Navalar's view, the proselytizing Christians were a
blessing in disguise, because he believed that Lord
Siva was using the Christian missionaries to awaken
Saivites to the truths of Saivism as contained in the
Agamas.

Need for comprehensive written scripture

Navalar's familiarity with Christianity led him to
feel that Saivism required a written and revealed set
of scriptures that would parallel the Bible's
comprehensive authority.

And he believed that the Agama scriptures would serve
the purpose because they eliminated the unsavory
practices in popular Saivism, even as they gave a
sophisticated justification of temple worship.

Writing on Navalar's view of the Agama scriptures,
Husdson writes: "On the one hand, the Agama scriptures
eliminated some of the popular Shaiva culture, such as
animal sacrifices and the worship of malevolent
deities and demons, that the missionaries attacked
ceaselessly and that had no scriptural basis".

"On the other hand, they provided a sophisticated and
profound theological interpretation of temple worship
and of the Puranic stories of the gods that nullified
the sneers of the missionaries."

"Arumuga Navalar believed that the Sanskrit and Tamil
scriptures of Agamic Shaivism purified popular and
Puranic religion, elevated the ignorant, and inspired
the literati."

Changes character of Hindu schools

With the aid of wealthy persons in both Sri Lanka and
Tamil Nadu ( with which he was in close touch),
Navalar started many schools.

These schools taught Saivism as well as modern
subjects to make them relevant to the needs of the
modernising world.

He discouraged learning by rote, which had been the
traditional method in schools, especially religious
schools.

He put difficult Saivite poems and commentaries into
easily understandable prose, which would also be as
elegant and thought provoking as the original. He
designed a graded Saivite curriculum.

The other most important contribution of his was the
establishment of a Saivite press with a machine he
brought at Madras.

The press, which started functioning in 1850, churned
out Saivite literature and commentaries, and
Navalar's own writings in a big way.

According to Hudson, the most dramatic use of the
press was the publication of anti-Christian literature
between 1852 and 1854. In 1954, came a booklet for
effectively countering Christian propaganda, entitled
"Abolition of the Abuse of Saivism."

Commenting on this booklet, a missionary wrote in
Morning Star that Navalar had shown an "intimate and
astonishing" acquaintance with the Holy Bible and that
he had "cunningly" defended the rituals, practices and
lingam worship of the Saivas "on the authority of our
own writings!"

The missionary then concluded that it could not be
denied that the booklet had "great effect" in favour
of Saivisim and against Christianity.

Navalar's tireless work, which included ceaseless
traveling, writing, and speaking, had a telling impact
on Tamil society in Jaffna.

It revived pride in the traditional religion,
reinforced ties with Hindu India, reined in the
marauding state-backed missionaries, and sowed the
seeds of Tamil nationalism.

Bishop Sabhapathi Kulendran had no option but to admit
that it was largely due to Navalar that Christian
conversions in Jaffna did not live up to the promise
they showed in the early part of the 19th century.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7752_1723397,004100180006.htm