"The tactic is to murder Christians, because the media does not talk about it."
"Mosul: targeted execution of Christians continues in media and government silence," from AsiaNews, January 19 (thanks to C. Cantoni):
Mosul (AsiaNews) - The second targeted attack against the Christian community in less than 24 hours, the indifference of the security forces who did not intervene.
They did not intervene, of course, because they believe in the same jihad.
Yesterday in Mosul, northern Iraq, an unidentified group shot dead 45 year-old businessman Amjad Hamid Abdullahad. Sunday, January 17th, the same day of the inauguration of new local archbishop, a Christian aged 52, married and father of two daughters, was killed. AsiaNews sources in the city explain that "the government blames the attacks on al-Qaeda fundamentalists ", in reality the community is victim of the power struggle between "Arab and Kurd" groups.At noon yesterday, an armed commando executed Abdullahad Amjad Hamid, a married Syriac Catholic, who owned a small grocery store in the neighbourhood of Alsiddiq, in northern Mosul. The man was killed outside his home in the suburb of Balladiyat, not far from his workplace.
Local witnesses reported that "the murder took place in front of the security forces, who saw all the phases of the attack, but did not intervene." A Catholic in Mosul says that "the tactic is to murder Christians, because the media does not talk about it." A strategy that aims to push Christians towards the plain of Nineveh, "in the silence and indifference of the government and the international community."
A source for AsiaNews in Mosul, adds that "Christians are living in panic and have begun fleeing from the city". He explains that "these are not normal criminals," but behind them are "specific political plans" that the government is not countering. There is no information from Baghdad "about who is behind attacks on churches and Christians," but the source is confident that the central executive, the governorship of Mosul and the Kurdish leadership "are aware" of the plan against the Christian community....
Wherever you look there are Mahoundians misunderstanding the 'peace' of Islam...The minute minority of extremists who misunderstand is hard to count, but I think it's more than one, could be millions...Christians are good targets because they are usually soft, and are constantly warring with Allah by virtue of their kufr...We know what happens to kufr who are warring with Allah, or spreading corruption in the land...5:33, or worse...
I don't see how the Christians have much choice than to run from these misunderstanders of Islam...Getting out is better than getting dead...
Now here's an idea (not original I must admit). Why don't we westerners offer asylum to Christians (and perhaps Hindus, Buddhists, and other non-violent peoples) in Muslim lands?
Not a one way traffic though. I suggest that we learn from Hamas and suggest that for every Christian etc. we liberate from Iraq, Indonesia, Egypt, Pakistan, Afgahnistan etc that those countries in turn must repatriate 100 of their Muslim brothers and sisters from OUR lands.
I particularly choose the term "OUR lands" because all the angry Muslims in the UK and other western countries repeatedly refer to the supposed occupation of "our lands". This meaning iraq etc even though the complainers were often born in the West and may never even have visited what they refer to as "our lands"
In any case, given the way they talk, this must really be viewed in the same way as the Hamas release of prisoners since the complainers in the West clearly do not like leaving here and regard living in the West as imprisonment
Just a thought and how I WISH
Sorry I meant "living here" rather than "leaving here". Radio listening whilst typing is a mistake!
At one point, the population of Baghdad was 1/3 Jewish. Now there are only about 30 Jews. Wonder where they all could have gone?
All you need do is study the history of Islam. It moves from jihad to jihad. What more do you need to know?
A strategy that aims to push Christians towards the plain of Nineveh.
And that strategy is paid for by American taxpayers.
*** 92:8 ***
Which makes sense, given that Christianity is reviled in our media, schools, courts, and government.
Yesterday in Mosul, northern Iraq, an unidentified group shot dead 45 year-old businessman Amjad Hamid Abdullahad. Sunday, January 17th, the same day of the inauguration of new local archbishop, a Christian aged 52, married and father of two daughters, was killed. AsiaNews sources in the city explain that "the government blames the attacks on al-Qaeda fundamentalists ", in reality the community is victim of the power struggle between "Arab and Kurd" groups.
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This last line is presented without further explanation. This is what I know:
After the fall of Saddam Hussein, the Kurds had hopes of an independent Kurdistan, or at least greater autonomy—which they have since achieved, at least to an extent. One of their strategies was to invite Christians—in a precarious position in most of Iraq—to move to Kurdish areas such as Mosul.
The Kurds hoped that the Christians would vote pro-Kurdish, and hence strengthen their political position in Iraq. No doubt Christians were aware of this strategy, but many of them moved north anyway. It was generally safer there, and being wanted—even if it is for political expediency——was an unusual and welcome thing.
There has been intimidation of Christians suspected of voting outside Kurdish lines—so much for political freedom in "free" Iraq. Still, most Christians—either out of fear or a genuine sympathy for the Kurds, have continued to support the Kurdish position. Even with the intimidation, it was generally safer for Christians in Kurdistan than elsewhere in Iraq.
And now this—my guess is that Arab-majority factions have decided that one of the ways to undercut Kurdish power is to murder "their" Christians.
Or, of course, it might be just the shear joy of killing Kufr.
This is what our best and bravest fought and died for. I want to PUKE.
APF, for some time I've been puzzling over the cryptic inclusion of things like
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in your posts. Perhaps you've explained it before and I missed it, or the reference is obvious and I'm just too dense to pick up on it, but would you be so kind as to spell out what these refer to? Thx.
Spencer and Fitzgerald wisely use Islamic scriptures (Koran, Hadiths, sacralized histories), Sharia codes, the non-sacralized histories of Islam written by Moslems, and public statements made by Moslems -- wherever possible to buttress the points being made in their essays (and books, ftm).
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In my own small and amateurish way I try to do the same by invoking the scriptural references in these threads.
If the *** (reference )*** is not identified, it's from the Koran; otherwise the source -- Hadith, sacralized history, or Sharia code -- is identified (e.g., Ishaq, al-Tabari, a hadith compiler, et al) as such and then it is from that exalted text.
*** 92:8 ***
This Koranic verse 92:8, for example, is one of Allah's commands around deception:
We will make smooth for him the path to misery.
It should go without saying of course that the "him" God is talking about here is the Infidel, and how he will deceive, and all Moslems are commanded to deceive, them to help them on their path to misery for the capital crime of not converting or at least submitting to Islam.
*** 33:21 ***
But this is the verse that is central to Islam, and everything from it:
You have in Mohammad, the Messenger of Allah, a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one to follow.
So what ya have here is God giving the highest possible recommendation to a man who by the Moslems' own account a murderer, a mass murderer, a torturer, an extortionist, a pedophile, a slave trader, a sex-slave trader, a rapist, a liar, a thief... I could go on but you know the litany, Eastview.
One of the things I was most proud of in my life was that I went and liberated a nation (well, not single-handedly!)during the first Gulf War. I beleived that Iraq/Saddam were thugs, bullies, rapists, murderers, etc. and I had a personal history, prior to it, of standing up against bullies in school (and I did enjoy kicking a little ass that needed kickin'. I can't lie and I know my psych profile). But after getting out, seeing how kuwaitis (moslems) treated people in their newly-"liberated" country, I felt like a damn fool! The phrase "Meet the new boss..." comes to mind. I also truly believed in the mission of Iraqi Freedom in that it was clinton's and the un's unfinished business. There were plenty of un-answered Q's re: WMD and we had to remove them (thanks to Turkey, we missed the convoys out of Iraq to syria) and we couldn't leave a total mess behind as we did in Afghanistan after the sov's or as we did in Mexico so many times.
But after seeing stuff like this, I now wonder what did our troops die for? I know it wasn't a lie, the stuff was there, and I don't know exactly what we should have done differently. Sometimes, after reading about crap like this, I almost want to cry. And I don't often cry!
APF, got it, thanks! I wondered if it wasn't something like that but hadn't taken the time to check it out. I assume you have those verses ready at hand in order to be able to refer to them so readily? It's either that or you have an absolutely prodigious memory, in which case I am in awe and send a salute your way! Not trying to make work for you or anything, but if your source is online it would be really helpful if you could embed a hyperlink. Many thanks again.
Nolan - your experience has not been entirely wasted; you've learned. You're learning. You're here (and such reports from what you saw in dar al Islam, on the ground, are most welcome).
Things that can be done: just keep steadily pestering your politicians and newspapers about human rights abuses perpetrated by Muslims against non-Muslims, and relating those abuses to the clear instructions to commit them, that are right there in the Islamic texts.
Push a version of the idea that bewick has suggested above, and which I myself have raised in letters to politicians - that we free non-Muslim lands should prioritise and fast-track asylum (a massive 'Operation Magic Carpet', sort of like the Israelis did for many Jews from Msulim lands) for non-Muslims who are being persecuted unmercifully in Muslim-majority lands (at the top of the list at the moment are the Christians of Egypt and Iraq, and Christians and Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh).
At the same time: just keep arguing, on security grounds, for ENDING immigration by Muslims to our countries (as a first step toward the call for *deporting* those already present). Why should we allow the persecutors to keep on hunting the persecuted? The idea is to get the persecuted non-Muslims to somewhere they can feel safe; and a Copt or an Assyrian or a Pakistani Hindu or a Malaysian Buddhist *won't* feel safe at all - won't *be* safe - if they flee to a western country and then see the mosques popping up like mushrooms and Muslim 'immigrants' (invaders) still flooding in unhindered. The more Muslims we let in, the more Muslim attacks there will certainly be on our Jewish fellow-citizens, for example (just think of the Seattle jihadist shooting Jewish women, or the Muslims who tortured Ilan Halimi to death in Paris); why should we play Muslim Roulette with *their* lives, and with the lives of everyone else?
It was bad enough when after WWII countries took in Shoah survivors but *also* took in lots of people from Germany and some other parts of Europe who turned out to have been enthusiastic Nazis and even Gestapo, SS and concentration camp torturers! Use that analogy, to argue against the taking in of any more Muslim immigrants or 'refugees' at all, from countries such as Egypt or Iraq or Pakistan; point out we have *no way* of knowing whether those people have not actually participated in, or approved of, or done nothing whatever to protest against or to stop, the horrible things that *Muslims* are most assuredly doing to non-Muslims in Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan, and that therefore, we have no guarantee they will not do exactly the same awful things in our own countries, as soon as they feel strong enough.
Further thought: when the Copts (and with them, I hope, the Assyrian Christians) already present in the West hold protest marches to raise awareness of what Muslims are doing to them; go along and take part in the marches, if you possibly can.
Re Iraq: the mistake was not in going in to get rid of WMDs and dispose of Saddam Hussein. The mistake was in staying and trying to 'nation build'. The British already tried that in the 1920s - and found out that creating a stable civil society out of a population suffused with Islam, is impossible - Churchill in 1922 summed up then-Iraq as "an ungrateful volcano" and it's a good description today, as well.
I should add that as soon as the British left in the early 1930s the Muslims celebrated their 'victory' by...taking out their hatred of the 'defeated' British kuffar, upon the non-Muslims nearer at hand, namely the Jews and the Assyrian Christians; a joyous orgy of mass murder was indulged in, and thousands upon thousands of Assyrian Christians were butchered by allahu-akbaring Muslims.
The current US mission should have been...in, WHAM, WHACK, BOOM, Saddam Hussein and his worst cronies dead..and then out. Offering, as part of that 'out', ALL Iraqi non-Muslims (the Christians, and the few Mandeans, a curious, pacifist group who follow John the Baptist) a fast, well-guarded exit to the West, so as to prevent a repetition of the monstrous mass-murders of the 1930s.
Thanks. And I will.
In 2011, when the bloodbath starts and people are being opressed & murdered w/ US weapons, I can see Bush-bashing all over again!
I didn't agree w/ much of what McCain said, but staying in Iraq "..for 100 yrs..." made sense when I viewed it in terms of W. Europe, Japan, S. Korea. But, yeah, these "koranimals" (just picked that up the other day and have been dyin' to use it, but thnx to anon. blogger)are entirely different. More bullies to be faced!
I'm certain that my kids will be having to carry on the good fight, but you can bet your ass they'll be aware enough to know the fight needs to be fought! Every book I have on the subject (several of Mr. Spencer's) will be required summer reading in order to balance the crap from the PC establishment here in MA, if we don't homeschool.
Again, thanks. And I will.