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Wednesday roundtable: Has this year’s football season turned into a rebuilding year?

Arizona State trounced Stanford 26-10 only a season after the Cardinal beat the Sun Devils twice by a combined margin of 38 points. With Stanford having three losses already on the year, we asked football writers Joseph Beyda, George Chen and Michael Peterson: Can the Cardinal salvage the season or is it time to call this season a rebuilding year? Or even worse, is this the end of the great run that we’ve seen over the past five years?

Michael: Yes, Stanford has overcome early-season struggles in the past, pushing past two losses in the first six games of the 2012 season to win the Rose Bowl and a loss to Utah early on in 2013 to reach the Rose Bowl. It is certainly not unthinkable that the Card could rebound to win the rest of their conference games and make the Pac-12 Championship.

Devon Cajuste (left) and the talented Stanford receiving corps need to provide greater production in order to help jumpstart the struggling Stanford offense. (ROGER CHEN/ The Stanford Daily)

Devon Cajuste (left) and the talented Stanford receiving corps need to provide greater production in order to help jumpstart the struggling Stanford offense. (ROGER CHEN/ The Stanford Daily)

However, what alarms me is that when Stanford has lost in the past, it has generally been to teams that play a similar physical style and that have the talent on both sides of the line to match Stanford in the trenches (like Michigan State, Notre Dame and USC). Losing to Arizona State is a completely different story.

Just a week ago, we were discussing whether Stanford was built to beat Arizona State and the rest of the Pac-12’s fast-paced offenses after two seasons of domination against Oregon, Arizona State, UCLA and Washington. Now, the same fast-paced offense that Stanford slowed to a crawl last year had its way at the line of scrimmage against Stanford. A defense that is not even considered one of the best in the Pac-12 and lost nine starters from last season (a defense that surrendered 80 points over two games to Stanford in 2013 at that) completely shut down the Cardinal on offense. This loss represented a stark change from the Stanford losses of old and even the Stanford losses to USC and Notre Dame this season.

Though mathematically anything is possible in the Pac-12, the Stanford we have seen this season is a major downgrade compared to the teams that went to four straight BCS bowls and I do not think this team has what it takes to salvage the season, especially with Oregon looming in two weeks, and underappreciated Oregon State and Utah still set to come to Stanford Stadium. Whether or not this is merely a rebuilding year or a sign of things to come may not be known until next season. 

Joseph: Michael is right: The Cardinal’s questions on offense have only gotten more pressing as the season’s gone on, and I doubt they will find the answers in time to sweep their last five conference games. I do not just mean Oregon; how is this Stanford team going to even outscore Cal if it plays the way it did in Tempe?

However, there is something that Stanford still can — and must — salvage this season: its attitude. People have been wondering for a year or two whether the Cardinal would become complacent, given that their touted incoming recruits were inheriting a perennial winner. This year, there have been signs that entitlement may be beginning to creep in.

Two years ago, when Stanford suffered a gut-wrenching loss at Notre Dame, multiple players said the defeat was still gnawing at them the following Monday. That team shocked the college football world by finishing its season with eight straight wins. This year, when Stanford suffered a gut-wrenching loss at Notre Dame, multiple players said that the Cardinal had moved on by the time they landed back home. That team lost another game two weeks later.

None of us are in that locker room. We do not know whether the personalities are different than in the past. But the fact of the matter is that after each of Stanford’s first two losses, the team did not do what it had to in order to right the ship. If it is because of a lack of caring, the Cardinal’s leaders better fix their team’s attitude sooner rather than later, because otherwise, the problem will only get worse.

George: Stanford’s run as one of the elite teams in college football is not over, but this season is most certainly a rebuilding year. Joey disagrees with me, but I just do not think Stanford is equipped with the weapons needed to be a legitimate Pac-12 title contender — much less a College Football Playoff candidate — this season. Early in the 2012 season, the Cardinal struggled offensively, but all the pieces were in place: a reliable target who could always get open in Zach Ertz, a workhorse running back in Stepfan Taylor and one of the best offensive lines in the country. The only change that Stanford needed was to switch out Josh Nunes for Kevin Hogan.

Right now, none of the pieces are there on offense. Ty Montgomery has not been able to touch the ball on offense, Devon Cajuste is coming off an injury, the running backs never play long enough in a game to find a rhythm and the offensive line has not made visible improvements since the season opener. Maybe David Shaw was right in blaming himself today for his team’s woes on offense, but I’m not sure better play-calling would have made much of a difference against Arizona State.

Stanford needs to fix its problems quickly. It is not inconceivable that the Cardinal fail to make a bowl game this year, so if you are a Cardinal fan, I would worry about a 6-6 record first before mentioning Stanford and “Pac-12 title” in the same sentence.

Michael Peterson, Joey Beyda and George Chen spent all day Sunday crying and eating ice cream after this weekend’s tough loss. To inquire whether they have moved on after Saturday’s contest, or whether the defeat is still gnawing at them, contact them at mrpeters ‘at’ stanford.edu, jbeyda ‘at’ stanford.edu and gchen15 ‘at’ stanford.edu.  

About Michael Peterson

Michael Peterson is a senior staff writer at The Stanford Daily. He has served as a beat reporter for football, baseball and men’s soccer and also does play-by-play broadcasting of football and baseball for KZSU. Michael is a senior from Rancho Santa Margarita, California majoring in computer science. To contact him, please email him at mrpeters ‘at’ stanford.edu.
  • guest

    How many times have we heard the huge influence the “Harbaugh guys” have on the younger guys? There aren’t many left and I’m guessing that has had an impact. The players no longer seem scrappy, tough as nails, or “blue collar”. Next year there won’t be any of them left.
    I don’t buy the excuse that Shaw is a young developing coach. How much experience did Harbaugh have? Very similar to Shaw’s. Maybe Harbaugh is an exception to the rule, but in this highly desirable HC position, why SHOULDN’T we demand as much?
    Shaw doesn’t seem to be developing as a HC. He doesn’t seem to be getting the most from a hugely talented group of guys. And his coaching staff? Not qualified or ignored? Either way, it shows poor leadership and management skills.
    It’s time to hold Shaw’s hand to the fire. Deliver or leave.

  • Stuart

    Agreed! Harbaugh didn’t play favorites or put players on the first defense or offense just because of a scholarship. They either performed or they were replaced. Lance Anderson is the last of the Harbaugh regime and defense is still strong. Offense is horrible and special teams are a close second. Look at Jordan Williamson who was considered for Lou Garza Award and led the Pac 12? He’s struggling and has dropped out of the rankings!
    Develop the players and create some competition within the team to have the younger players or the walkons have a chance to start and at least keep the current starters looking over their shoulders and staying hungry and competitive.

  • tree_alum

    Rebuilding to me means that you are developing the young players that are the future stars. If you are really rebuilding, then young players (including QBs) have to get more consistent and real playing time and new schemes get tried out. Right now, I cannot bear to watch the same stuff that hasn’t been working get trotted out. Then you are neither winning a whole lot nor are you rebuilding. Having a mediocre record does not automatically mean you are rebuilding. Let’s not get the worst of both worlds. To me, losses are palatable if they have a silver lining of hope.

  • TheCardinalRules

    I certainly don’t see this as rebuilding. If the program were rebuilding you would see many more underclassmen starting and getting more snaps. The starting lineup hasn’t materially changed other than due to injuries, nor should it. This team still controls its own destiny in the Pac-12. The chances of that happening are slim, but not impossible.

    If Shaw means what he says and is going to fix the gameplan to start emphasizing the strengths of this team – and mask its weaknesses – then it’s doable. We saw what needs to be done in the first half against WSU. We need more of that – variety, making the defense play sideline-to-sideline, and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP TRYING TO MAKE KEVIN HOGAN A POCKET PASSER BECAUSE HE ISN’T AND WILL NEVER BE ONE.

  • Candid One

    Hogan’s flaws aren’t fixed by changing his mobility scheme. Pass protection is drastically tougher for a moving QB and Hogan’s not a Mariota or Kaepernick on the move, despite his apparent skill. Can the coaches handle a scheme for mobile QB? Andrew Luck is one of the most accurate QB’s on the run–in college and NFL–but he was mostly asked to be a pocket passer…where he was also among the best. Recall that Luck had been Stanford’s #2 rusher under Harbaugh in 2010 but Shaw put a leash on him in 2011. Can Shaw improve Hogan after having had him start for two years? Tavita Pritchard is the QB position coach…is it possible that Pritchard can’t help Hogan improve? Shaw takes the ceremonial fall on his HC sword but the daily hands-on coaching is done by his assistants. When the talent hits a plateau of development, how much of that is on the talent?

  • Candid One

    This is the same inept and inapt myopia that’s being directed at Harbaugh in SF. There’s a distinct lack of perspective in both cases. We’re not comparing them to Teevens and Harris anymore. This is some kind of blind fantasy football myopia that doesn’t merit much credibility.

    SF has been to how many NFC Championships since Harbaugh took over? Stanford has been to how many FBS bowl games since Shaw took over? In either case, tell us where to find anyone who can match that level of productivity…especially at Stanford? Rather silly.

  • Candid One

    This is much more complicated than fantasy footballers can fathom. How many of Stanford’s wins and losses–post-Luck–have been facilitated by the defense’s performance? Stanford’s loss of Shittu and then Parry made enough difference that ASU’s offense was more successful than against a healthy front seven. A healthy defensive core might’ve stopped those two red zone mistakes by the Cardinal special teams that accounted for 10 points.

    That defense has been supporting an anemic offense for 2-1/2 years. Only once in that period has the offense rescued the defense–Josh Nunes against Arizona in 2012, a 54-48 OT win. In all of the other games in that 2012-2014 interval, opponents have been held under 30 points. With Andrew Luck, Stanford rarely scored less than 30 points in a game. Stanford has had its best defenses after Luck’s graduation–and that distorts the quality of Cardinal success since then. We’re all afflicted by that distortion. Stanford has had unbalanced success during these past several successful seasons.

    Maybe Stanford will someday have a 2nd coming of Andrew Luck…but here’s a bit of advice…don’t bet on it. It’s likely that Harbaugh–and Shaw–kept Andrew Luck from winning the Heisman in successive years, but Luck made each look good in each year. We can only surmise that the talent on the offense benefits the talent in the coaches more than vice versa.

  • guest

    crediting Shaw for BCS bowls is like crediting Nunes & Hogan for wins. Shaw was not THE reason we got to those bowls. And we unnecessarily lost 2 of them due to poor play calling and prep.
    In SF, Harbaugh clearly has made the difference, turning a losing team to a winning team just like he did at Stanford.
    I don’t believe most fans need Shaw to be Harbaugh II, but we do need him to be a much better HC.