Monday, March 15, 2010

We're using the wrong yardstick

Since the Tarek Fatah dust-up in Friday's National Post, a lot of people have been saying that we need to rethink our definition of a "moderate Muslim".

There's no question that Tarek Fatah has contributed a lot of positive things to Canadian society in his fight against extremist Muslims. His work was invaluable in preventing Sharia law from being given legal standing in Ontario. He has taken a stand against the niqab.

These are all important issues and he has been on the right side – our side – for freedom and democracy.

Some of us wince when we're reminded that Mr. Fatah isn't necessarily on-side with us regarding our Zionism. We do feel he's been too harsh on Israel at times. But, we remind each other, he's an ally in the fight against Sharia and Islamists and it isn't necessary for all of our allies to be Zionists. As long as he's not working against us, we can work together. He is entitled to his opinion, after all.

Many of us were shocked to read Mr. Fatah's highly emotional attack on Dr. Wafa Sultan more than a week after he attended her debate with Dr. Daniel Pipes in Toronto.

Mr. Fatah wrote that he was "traumatized" that Dr. Sultan had criticized Mohammed in a synagogue full of Jews and no one had stopped her. He did not acknowledge that the statements made by Dr. Sultan about Mohammed were based on Islamic scriptures. He did not understand that his criticism should have been directed at the man who committed these acts and not the woman who merely spoke disapprovingly of them. He did not admit that the thought of a man in his 50s forcing himself sexually on a little girl is repugnant to us; in fact, it is a major societal taboo and the act itself is illegal. Nor did he admit that slaughtering 800 non-combatants in one day and then raping a woman whose husband, brother and father you had personally killed is not what we consider a nice way to top off a genocide; instead, Mr. Fatah called this an "astonishing account" and accused Dr. Sultan of "catering to the fears of her predominantly Jewish audience."

As if Mr. Fatah had never heard about either of these Islamic facts before. Worse: as if we were too stupid or ill-informed to have ever heard of these Islamic facts before.

So who are we to believe, a "moderate Muslim" or Islamic doctrine?

We know that Islamic law forbids non-Muslims from questioning or criticizing Islam or Mohammed (see #3). In his debate with Wafa Sultan, Daniel Pipes characterized an Islamist as a Muslim who is actively working to have Sharia law enforced. We know that Mr. Fatah fought against the legalization of Sharia in Ontario, which would indicate that he is not an Islamist. How, then, can we reconcile Mr. Fatah's well-deserved reputation as a "moderate Muslim" with his attempt to enforce a kind of socially-imposed Sharia on us?

We can't. We can't do it because we're using the wrong yardstick.

We have to stop comparing Muslims to Muslims and start comparing them to those of us (in any country, of any religion or non-religion) who believe in and stand up for freedom: freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and so on.

Compared to some Muslims, Tarek Fatah is a moderate Muslim. That's great. Let the Muslims use Muslim yardsticks; we need to start using our own yardsticks again.

How does Tarek Fatah – how does any Muslim – compare to us?

Based on his editorial in last Friday's National Post:

* He had no compunction about using placing the life of a vulnerable woman at increased risk.

Men in our culture have been taught to protect women.

* He expressed no outrage against the rape of a child but instead insulted a woman for talking about it.

Men in our culture have been taught to protect children.

* He was angry that an audience of 800 people (mostly Jews, but not all) had the audacity to allow Dr. Sultan to state her opinions about Islamic doctrine and Mohammed's actions.

We practice freedom of speech and freedom of religion. We like to hear all sides of an issue and make up our own minds.

* Despite having worked as a journalist when he lived in Pakistan, he used a Canadian newspaper to distort Dr. Sultan's message by accusing her of wishing for the conversion or death of all Muslims – despite her clear statements to the contrary – and making up quotes. By the way, the quote that he attributed to Dr. Pipes was also fabricated.

We hold our journalists to a higher standard.

And on it goes.

I no longer care if anyone is a "moderate Muslim". As far as I am concerned, Tarek Fatah has proven that the term is useless to those of us who care about preserving our Western civilization.

(Exit Question: I don't know what to call this new/old yardstick. It can't be specific to a country, a race or a religion. I keep thinking about the U.S. Declaration of Independence: that's the kind of freedom I believe in and that's the kind of person I'm talking about. Does anyone have any ideas?)

Update: Welcome, readers of Scaramouche and Closet Conservative!

Update #2: Mississauga Matt has posted video of Tarek Fatah on tonight's Michael Coren Show in which Mr. Fatah discusses his reaction to the debate.

Update #3: Welcome, readers of Blazing Cat Fur!

Update #4: Welcome, readers of The Daily Rasp!

Update #5: Welcome, readers of Steyn Online!

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Excellent analysis Josephine. This is excellent journalism. I admire how you use the facts to dissect the truth - instead of using OPINION. Something that Tarek Fatah obviously needs a lesson in. I'm starting to think that even the "moderate Muslims" are dangerous.

natasha said...

I agree -- excellent, Josephine.

I'd been thinking perhaps Tarek, because he felt hurt, was just lashing out. But he went way over the top by insinuating that Wafa had a death ultimatum on her mind. I hope he rethinks his words.

However, that's really irrelevant. Like you said, we need to use our own yardstick. How about calling it Freedom's Yardstick. It would be easier to protect our Western values from those trying to shove Shariah down our throats if the dhimmis among us would stop kowtowing to Muslim demands all the time.

The Phantom said...

Josephine, I don't know that this article of Tarek Fatah's in the paper necessarily says anything about Muslims, moderate or otherwise. I does however prove beyond any doubt that Tarek Fatah is a dick.

I mean, does the stated opinion of some random doofus like... oh lets say bigcitylib or Canadian Cynic say anything about you, just because they're white?

So all we have here is one guy being a dick. Big deal.

I tend to treat most of these kinds of things in a like manner. If there happens to be a whole lot of dicks like Tarek baby out there, I'm happy to take each one as an isolated incident.

And of course break their heads when I have to. Like when they are hitting some helpless woman. I find they usually stop and run away before I get past "Hey, ASSHOLE...!" :)

Cowards, the lot of them. Tarek Fatah can kiss my ass.

B in Toronto said...

*wild applause*

Anonymous said...

Regrettably, until he engages in some massive introspection, leading to him apostacizing from Islam, Fatah cannot be taken as anything less than a "casual Muslim"- but nevertheless a Muslim with all its mandatory obeisance to the entire Islamic belief system.

His credibility, in my mind, borders on nil after his emotive op-ed in the NP- Dr. Sultan's comments were unassailable based on Islamic scripture and Western, post-Enlightenment Judeo-Christian-secular concepts of individual freedoms. But Fatah shows his true colours by defending blindly the Islamic prophet Mohammed.

Earl

Anonymous said...

It looks like the author Josephine and the commenters here are well aware of what the Islamic texts say in regards to Muslim men having sex with (raping) child brides. It is also reasonable to infer that Tarek Fatah is well aware of what those Islamic texts say. Moderate Muslim or not, he has defamed Dr. Wafa Sultan and has attempted to mislead the wider public about Islam and Muhammad. Fatah is a man who won't condemn rape when it is committed by Muhammad or under Islamic law, but he will condemn people who bravely risk their lives to draw attention to this problem in Islam. Nothing short of a full and public apology from Fatah to Sultan, and a full acknowledgment of Islam's policies regarding what the Islamic texts say about Muhammad and rape, will redeem him in my view.

Josephine said...

A note re. the comments:

First of all, thanks to those of you who have commented.

As much as I believe in free speech, I can't let all comments go through. I disagree strongly with comments about "all Muslims" and statements about deporting all Muslims. It's too broad a brush for me personally. And, while I think it's permissible to hold such an opinion (even though I disagree), I'm not willing to get into legal trouble for someone else's words.

Anon @7:31 PM: I disagree strongly with your statement that Tarek Fatah will not condemn rape that occurs under Islamic law. I have seen nothing in writing to indicate that, nor have I heard him say anything to that effect.

In fact, I heard him say tonight on the Michael Coren Show that Aisha was, at the youngest, 14 years of age and possibly 18-21 when she married Mohammed. So I would infer that Mr. Fatah does not believe the Islamic texts that state that Aisha was 6 when Mohammed married her or that she was 9 when he had sexual relations with her.

I cannot and will not comment on Mr. Fatah's motivations or character. I am only interested in what he says and writes.

I agree with the rest of your comment, though.

Josephine said...

Anon @12:32 - Thanks.

Natasha - Good points. I like Freedom's Yardstick.

Josephine said...

Phantom - Islam is not a race, it is a set of beliefs. So many other Muslims probably hold most or all of the same beliefs as Tarek Fatah.

That said, I know that while many Christians (whether their skin is white like mine or not) believe in many of the same things, our beliefs and opinions may vary widely on many subjects.

So I think I see your point. If a Muslim person reports on something for the newspaper or tells me her opinion on the local daycare centre, I don't consider that to be representative of a group of Muslims.

Context is everything, however. Tarek Fatah is held up as a representative of moderate Islam. He was responding, as a Muslim, to a former Muslim who was criticizing Mohammed and Islam in front of non-Muslims. In this context, it was all about his religious identity and beliefs.

Josephine said...

B in Toronto - Thank you.

Earl - He has certainly lost a lot of credibility in my eyes.

Vardit said...

How can one check if Mohammed did indeed sleep with a 6 yar old or a 14 year old which in those days sleeping with a 14 year old would most probably been quite acceptable. Mr. Fatah said, Ayesha was not 6 or 9 years of age most probably between the ages of 14 - 21. I am sure he did not lie on the Michael Coren show, at least I hope not....

skyhook8 said...

Many excellent points in your commentary. I was quite surprised by Fatahs statements and have to consider his words in a slightly different light from now on.

e. smith said...

Extremely well reasoned article. I would hope that we can get the Freedom yardstick applied to decisions of immigration. Also, it seems that it is educated Muslim women who are the bravest about speaking out against the incompatibility of Islam and western society. Where are the likes of Noami Klein, Professor Bakan of Queens, Code Pink, all the other feminists when their fellow women are being threatened and frightened for speaking out in our free society?

Josephine said...

Skyhook8 - Thanks. I was very surprised, as well.

e.smith - Excellent points. Thank you.

Josephine said...

Vardit - Please check out Hugh Fitzgerald's comments via the link in the thread above.

Anonymous said...

Josephine,

Thanks for your reply. (I am Anon at 7:31pm, above).I make my comments on Mr. Fatah advisedly. If rape occurs under the auspices of Islam, he will of course claim it is not true Islam, and he rejects Islamic law anyway. Hence, he can protect his belief in the goodness of Muhammad and Islam. Of course, I am interpreting.

I have examined this question in detail, and I believe that Dr. Wafa Sultan is on solid ground when she states that, based on the Islamic texts, Muhammad was a rapist (including, but not limited to, raping child wife Ayesha). We have to keep in mind the nature of Mr. Fatah's response to Dr. Sultan. He is not arguing with her over the validity of this or that hadith or statements from the Sira. He simply accused her of being a hate-monger, "Islamophobe," "making up her story," and endangered her by strongly implying that she was offering Muslims a 'convert or die' ultimatum. After all of this, and after seeing people's negative reaction to his treatment of Dr. Sultan, he is now scrambling to save face and indeed rescue whatever shred of credibility he has left among non-Muslims.

Claims by some apologists that Aisha was a teenager (not 9) when Muhammad consummated the marriage are based on a very shaky and weak evidence that relies on drawing indirect inferences from differing sources. None of the sources in question actually state that Ayesha was 14 or 18.

In contrast, the Sahih Buhkari, Sahih Muslim, and other sources considered most reliable by orthodox Sunni Muslims, state outright that Ayesha was 6 or 7 when Muhammad married her and that she was 9 when he consummated the marriage. The major Shia school is in agreement on this. Indeed, Ayesha herself is quoted as saying that she was 9. None of the Islamic texts deny that Ayesha was 9 at the time. It is primarily a small number of apologists, centuries later, under pressure of non-Muslim audiences with modern values, who have come up with elaborate interpretations whereby Ayesha was not 9. Mr. Fatah has resorted to this argument, though he cannot explain away all those ahadith directly testifying to Ayesha's age.

Even if we grant Mr. Fatah, for the sake of argument, the conclusion that Ayesha was 18, this still does not change the fact that Islamic orthodoxy accepts that Ayesha was 9. In addition, the Quran (65:4) assumes, in a divorce ruling, that men can be married to pre-menstrual girls. The major commentators (Ibn Kathir, et al) are in agreement on this, and some translations of the Quran say it explicitly. Maududi also accepted this interpretation, and this may have had some influence on why Muslim men still today marry child brides in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.

I did think of Mr. Fatah as a moderate Muslim before this latest incident. Not now.

Josephine said...

Thank you for your excellent, well-reasoned response, Anon.

Now I understand exactly what you mean and I agree.

Anonymous said...

Impressive comments. Some very, very knowledgeable muahadathim posting here. The Islamic belief system is easily enough broken open with bit of patience, and ready access to the Koran, the ahadith (sahih Bukhari and sahih Muslim preferred), as well as the Umdat al-Salik.

This is the level of Islamic exegesis that the Mohammedans would prefer the khufar to never know...