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Security Blanket: Western Democracy and the Strategy of Tension
Written by Chris Floyd   
The idea that a democratic government would deliberately create fake "extremist groups" then send them out to foment violence and terrorism -- in order to discredit legitimate opposition to elite rule and to "justify" authoritarian powers -- has long been derided in "serious" circles as that worst of modern heresies: "conspiracy theory." Anyone advancing such a preposterous notion is instantly relegated to the ranks of the "lunatic fringe," and dismissed with varying degrees of contempt and condescension.

And the woeful fact that millions of the ruminants out there in the vast public herd swallow these wild tales and believe that their betters are up to no good is also widely deplored in the higher circles of public discourse. As any fully-accredited, perk-laden, sinecured think-tanker can tell you, democratic governments are led by men and women devoted to public service. Sure, there can be fierce disputes over policies and approaches and outcomes and ideologies and competence. Sure, some people may step over a line here and there in their pursuit of what they believe is the nation's best interests. But just as western democracies do not torture, do not launch aggressive wars, do not spy upon their own people or imprison them by the millions, they most assuredly do not create and support extremist groups and instigate acts of terror and chaos to advance authoritarian agendas.

It is indeed unfortunate that the general public is prey to these disturbing theories, which breed such a widespread distrust of the noble intentions and essential (if occasionally misguided or incompentently executed) goodness of our leading men and women. However, there is a very reasonable explanation for the credence given to these fringe beliefs:

They happen to be true.

We've written often here of the Pentagon's plan to foment terrorism where needed to achieve the goals of the "National Security State." This is but one of a staggering array of examples of the use of "the strategy of tension" by the "advanced" Western democracies of the modern world. This week came yet another. As Robert Mancini reports in the Guardian, the former president of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, let a great many cats out of the bag when he gave some sage advice to Italy's current interior minister, Robert Maroni, on how to deal with the ongoing protests by students and professors over funding cuts for higher education. As Mancini notes, Cossiga -- who had once been interior minister himself, as well as prime minister -- told the Quotidiano Nazionale:

"Maroni should do what I did when I was secretary of the interior. He should withdraw the police from the streets and the universities, infiltrate the movement with secret (provacateurs) agents, ready to do anything, and, for about 10 days, let the demonstrators devastate shops, set fire to cars and lay waste the cities. After which, strengthened by popular consent, the sound of ambulance sirens should be louder than the police cars. The security forces should massacre the demonstrators without pity, and send them all to hospital. They shouldn't arrest them, because the magistrates would release them immediately, but they should beat them up. And they should also beat up those teachers who stir them up. Especially the teachers. Not the elderly lecturers, of course, but the young women teachers."

Mancini notes that Cossiga's advice tracks closely with his own experience at the head of Italy's security organs in the 1970s:

For students of Italian political history, the interview is fascinating for the light it sheds on Cossiga's political views and in particular his activities between 1976 and 1978 when he too was interior minister, presiding over the police. In 1977, a demonstration by the Radical Party (partito radicale) was attacked by armed individuals who opened fire causing the death Giorgiana Masi, a 20 year-old girl.

Cossiga could not, or would not, explain what took place that day. More specifically, he was unable to shed light on whether the attackers came from within the police force....

Hence the interest in the recent interview, which sheds light on one of the most secretive periods of Italian history - the so-called "strategy of tension" that began with the 1969 bombing of Banca Nazionale dell'Agricoltura in Milan (carried out by the far-right and blamed on anarchists) through to the events at the G8 summit in Genoa in July 2001 where the mysterious right-wing "black-blok" group created the mayhem and destruction which brought forth the police violence against thousands of anti-globalisation protestors.

Yes, the story of terrorist creation, chaos and murder by Western governments is an old one -- especially in Italy, the epicenter of Operation Gladio, which I outlined in a Moscow Times column some years ago:


"You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force…the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

This was the essence of Operation Gladio, a decades-long covert campaign of terrorism and deceit directed by the intelligence services of the West – against their own populations.
Hundreds of innocent people were killed or maimed in terrorist attacks – on train stations, supermarkets, cafes, offices – which were then blamed on "leftist subversives" or other political opponents. The purpose, as stated above in sworn testimony by Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra, was to demonize designated enemies and panic the public into supporting ever-increasing powers for government leaders – and their elitist cronies.

First revealed by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti in 1991, Gladio (from the Latin for "sword") is still protected to this day by its founding patrons, the CIA and MI6. Yet parliamentary investigations in Italy, Switzerland and Belgium have shaken out a few fragments of the truth over the years. These have been gathered in a new book, NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe, by Daniele Ganser, as Lila Rajiva reports on CommonDreams.org.

Originally set up as a network of clandestine cells to be activated behind the lines in case of a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, Gladio quickly expanded into a tool for political repression and manipulation, controlled and funded by NATO and Washington. Using right-wing militias, underworld figures, government provocateurs and secret military units, Gladio not only carried out widespread terrorism, assassinations and electoral subversion in democratic states like Italy, France and West Germany, but also bolstered fascist tyrannies in Spain and Portugal, abetted the military coup in Greece, and aided Turkey's ferocious repression of the Kurds. All of this in the name of "preserving democracy" and "defending civilization."

Among the "smoking guns" unearthed by Ganser is a Pentagon document, Field Manual FM 30-31B, which detailed the methodology for launching terrorist attacks in nations that "do not react with sufficient effectiveness" against "communist subversion." Ironically, the manual states that the most dangerous moment comes when leftist groups "renounce the use of force" and embrace the democratic process. It is then that "US army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince Host Country Governments and public opinion of the reality of the insurgent danger." Naturally, these peace-throttling "special operations must remain strictly secret," the document warns.

Indeed, it would not do for, say, the families of the 85 people ripped apart by the August 2, 1980 bombing of the Bologna train station to know that their loved ones had been murdered by "men inside Italian state institutions and…by men linked to the structures of United States intelligence," as the Italian Senate concluded after its investigation in 2000.

The Bologna atrocity is an example of what Gladio's masters called "the strategy of tension" – fomenting fear to keep populations in thrall to "strong leaders" who will protect the nation from the ever-present terrorist threat. And as Rajiva notes, this strategy wasn't limited to Western Europe. It was applied – with gruesome effectiveness – in Central America by the Reagan-Bush administrations. During the 1980s, rightwing death squads, guerrilla armies and state security forces – armed, trained and supplied by the United States – murdered tens of thousands of people throughout the region, often acting with particular savagery at those times when peaceful solutions to the conflicts seemed about to take hold....
And as we have often noted here, similar operations -- the "El Salvador option," death squads, "High-Value Targeting," etc. -- have been an integral part of the Anglo-American subjegation of Iraq. Indeed, they are a pillar of the "counterinsurgency doctrine" proclaimed by the other president-in-waiting, David Petraeus, and now avidly embraced by the War Machine. As Tara McElvey reports in The American Prospect, the Pentagon is eager to apply "High-Value Targeting" and refinements of the "Phoenix Program" -- in which U.S. forces and local proxies murdered more than 20,000 people -- and the whole panoply of "psy-ops" to imperial imbroglios around the world, applying them "to Afghanistan, then Pakistan, the Philippines, Colombia, Somalia, and elsewhere."

It's true, of course, that the American people -- and Europeans, as well -- are showing signs of growing weariness and wariness of the heavy-handed security regimes their governments have imposed upon them. There also seems to be little enthusiasm for plowing ahead in the various killing fields opened up by their elites to reap the enormously profitable blood fruits of war. Public toleration for this extravagant adventurism will be even more diminished as the cratering of the global economy -- caused by the greed and deceit of those same elites -- continues to deepen.

But more war is exactly what we've been promised by our agents of change. More war, an even bigger War Machine, "tougher" security measures, national ID cards packed with personal data and tracking devices, more surveillance cameras, new "preventive detention" laws -- and more unbounded authority to use public money to bail out the elite. Yet how to make this happen in the current atmosphere of exhaustion and anxiety? How to catalyze the public into continuing to support the Security State? How to discredit the rising chorus of opposition to neocolonialism, elite cronyism, rampant militarism and growing authoritarianism?

Elite elders like Francesco Cossiga know the answer: the strategy of tension. The Gladio way. Was this the kind of thing Joe Biden was talking about, when he said the "young president" would be tested by a crisis, and forced to take unpopular measures in response?

It seems our "interesting times" are going to continue unabated in this bold new era.
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bilejones said:

November 24, 2008
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Gridlock said:

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Good find bilejones - funny how these things rarely make the front page.

What's the position on any crossover between Gladio and the source of the Nuger forgeries?
 
November 24, 2008
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Rosemary Molloy said:

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What?
Well, what's to be done? How can we resist this--especially when the Dear Leader (as Justin R. at Anti-War.com calls him) is the object of something close to worship? I have relatives who cried for joy, danced in the streets, and practically canonized Obama--maybe simply because he's not Bush. I saw him on "60 Minutes" and there's no question he has a disarming presence and perfect teeth. But I'm afraid. I hate and despise the people he's bringing in to rule over us. I voted for Nader because I finally realized Obama is not anti-war. But what's to be done?
 
November 24, 2008 | url
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Grandma Jefferson said:

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In a Phrase....
Nothing can stop it. We have even elected a messiah, a Chosen One, to lead us into the promised land so expertly delineated here. Chris is dead on right, look for a new projection of the Strategy of Tension, shortly. They are so intent on proclaiming it, (more Psy-Ops, to prepare the way) that they don't even notice how they betray the game to those who, like Chris, know how it's really played.
I doubt the ongoing economic collapse will stop this ramping up of the Imperial machine, not right away. The apparent disconnect between the global agenda of conquest, and the money to pay for it, is illusory, doubtless because the interested parties always reap billions, win or lose, even when the money runs out.
I've always suspected the entire economic immolation was staged, a ponzi scheme set up to fail in the '90's, to ultimately rebuild the global economy in a way more pleasing to the plutocrats, with everything concentrated into fewer hands, and bigger corporate monoliths. Eternal war, false flags, staged coups, invasions, occupations, genocide, famine and pillage feed that too.
So hello suckers, welcome to Hell. We may all be bankrupt and homeless, but they won't be. Millions will die to serve this, and only a civil war, or revolution, will stop it. And neither of those options will ever happen here, or if they do, not in time to impede anything.
 
November 25, 2008
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yankee 30 said:

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The Gladio initiatives are well documented. Cossiga, of course, has been neck deep in this 'merda' from the beginning, and, over the years, had passed from the Christian Democrats to the Communist Party. Blatant collusion across the political spectrum, so, what else is new?

'It's true, of course, that the American people -- and Europeans, as well -- are showing signs of growing weariness and wariness of the heavy-handed security regimes their governments have imposed upon them. There also seems to be little enthusiasm for plowing ahead in the various killing fields opened up by their elites to reap the enormously profitable blood fruits of war. Public toleration for this extravagant adventurism will be even more diminished as the cratering of the global economy -- caused by the greed and deceit of those same elites -- continues to deepen.'

I found much empathy in this declaration. Getting older we lose patience, and progress seems to be measured in geological time, but aren't YOU wary? Aren't YOU weary? Anyway, I have two daughters...I have to think positive.

P.S. Regarding the recent conflict in the piazza when a truckload of goons attempted to stir up trouble with the students...well, a few barstools were thrown and some bruises were realized, but, at the end of the day it was kind of a non- event. You know, it just didn't gel.
 
November 25, 2008
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el grillo said:

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"National Security" is imperialist aggression attempting to hide behind its little finger.

Further evidence in corroboration of this view, with details specific to the US Homeland "Security" scenario can be found here:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i...&aid=10767
 
November 25, 2008
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Free Lunch said:

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As one of the few libertarians denying conspiracy theories of this ilk, I just don't think the feds are smart enough for all that...I love your style...your liberty...your pickup.
 
November 26, 2008 | url
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trisha said:

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Excellent post!

Look for a 'Crystalnacht' event to galvanize/manipulate the masses as the financial system collapses further.

Indeed, these will be interesting times.
 
November 26, 2008 | url
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Dan-in-PA said:

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National Security is.....
"National Security" is imperialist aggression attempting to hide behind its little middlefinger.

Fixed that for ya, Grillo...
 
November 26, 2008
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blue ox babe said:

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to Rosemary Molloy, who asks "what can be done?" --

Encourage your friends and family to read Chris Floyd. There is no durable change of heart and mind without a personal revelation. We can tell them the truth all day long but they won't believe it until they see it themselves. To see it for one's self, one must be open to the possibility that one's existing perspective is wrong. Sometimes you have to ask them questions that prompt the examination. For example, ask them what they think "national security" is about. Ask them how THEY would orchestrate national security if they were King or Queen of America, and ask them why they would do it that way. When they give ideas, ask for the rationale. Prompt them to see causation. Prod them for logical, factual reasons to take "security"-oriented steps.

Here's a personal anecdote to give some hope. Yesterday I returned from 3 days spent with my parents, whom I haven't seen for 6 years. I've talked to them occasionally in the mean time, but not regarding politics or anything related to politics, mainly because my parents are old, staunch GOP supporters who campaigned for Dubya in 2000 and 2004. Over the course of this recent visit my parents revealed to me their distaste for Dubya's presidency and their firm belief that there is no difference between Repub & Dem these days, that there is a small group who orchestrate things to their own benefit while leaving the majority of us to rot.

To hear that from two people in their early 70s who have spent a lifetime supporting the GOP and who helped Mr Bush in his POTUS campaign... what an incredible turn of events. Mind you, they even get their news from Fox News, and this is how they are concluding their opinions on Mr Bush and the present Fed Govt. Take it further, they both saw the current "Bailout" as a scam, a gravy-train for the select few.

If such changes of mind and heart can happen in my stodgy old Elephant supporting parents, I believe it is possible on a wider scope.
 
November 26, 2008
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blue ox babe said:

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Free Lunch --

You give with one hand and take back with the other. You damn with faint praise. You are not here to praise Caesar, but to slay him. You are a phony.

You don't think "the feds" are "smart enough"? Then you simply are not thinking. Under Bush/Cheney, "the feds" have achieved everything desired by Mr Bush & Mr Cheney. They have been phenomenally successful. Yet you posit they aren't smart enough.

As I see things, you are here to create doubt in Mr Floyd's perspective.
 
November 26, 2008
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PF said:

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What about strategy of tension on US soil?
While I continue to read your important and compelling essays, I find your refusal to speak directly about the events of 9/11/01 frustrating and, frankly, disingenuous. You have noted in other posts your support for "an independent investigation" but you have stopped short of calling those events a false flag operation out of the Gladio mold. Why? I realize you do not cling to the idiotic official fiction involving 19 "muslim hijackers" but you have not (to my knowledge) ever indicated who are the real culprits.

Further, the US has a long history of internecine violence created by intelligence agencies, including the extensively-documented COINTELPRO that featured targeted assassinations, creation of fake "radical organizations," and free-lancing provocateurs. Why no mention of these, or of the roles of shadowy government figures in the assassinations of MLK, JFK, RFK, and Malcolm X, not to mention the Oklahoma City bombing? All this has been documented, often in the mainstream press. If we are going to finally talk about these "conspiracies," let's talk about them. The failure to discuss any domestic examples of the strategy of tension in this essay is extremely disturbing.
 
November 26, 2008
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chris said:

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Obviously, the reason I don't talk about every subject that you want me to talk about when you want me to talk about it and at the length and depth at which you want me to talk about it is because I am paid $36,759.46 each and every month by the Left Gatekeepers Association to befuddle the mind of the masses with my "disingenuous" commentary. The fact that, to my knowledge, I was only the third writer in a mainstream English-language print publication to draw attention to the fact that PNAC's call for a "new Pearl Harbor" in September 2000 was answered with the "new Pearl Harbor" of September 2001 was clearly just the opening salvo in my long obfuscatory campaign. This also applies to the plethora of articles I have written over the years about Operation Northwoods, the phony Gulf of Tonkin attacks, the CIA's mind-control experiments, the decades-long secret "Continuity of Government" plans, the assassinations of John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King, the Pentagon program to create and/or direct terrorist groups and put them into action, and so on and so forth and so forth and so on.

It is true that I have called often for an independent investigation of 9/11(even one without scary quote marks around it). That's because I personally, sitting here at home with my computer, cannot say with the degree of apostolic certainty that you seem to possess that I know "who are the real culprits." I may have many reasonable and credible suspicions, and I have often alluded to them. And as you so generously grant, I do not cling to the ever-shifting, hole-ridden official story of the events of that day. But yes, I would like to see considerable resources -- far beyond those that I possess -- applied to an honest and full investigation of the events to establish the full truth of the matter.

Again, I can only apologize for not addressing all the topics you mention to your satisfaction. I do think they are important and worthy of investigation and analysis, and if I had more time, I'm sure I'd give more time to them, and to many other issues as well. As it is, I do what I can when I am able to do it. The "failure to discuss any domestic examples of the strategy of tension" in the blog post was because I was writing a, er, blog post, not an exhaustive monograph on the subject. I saw the Guardian piece on the Italian interview, recalled the Gladio piece I wrote long ago, and put them together in a quick post that I hoped readers might find interesting and informative -- and worth pursuing on their own bent. If you are "extremely disturbed" by this unremarkable process, and find it somehow sinister, well then, what can I say? That would seem to be more of a problem for you than for me. But it is certainly not my intention to add to anyone's burdens and anxieties, so I'm sorry about that.
 
November 26, 2008
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bilejones said:

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Some good news: Silber is back!
Chris, I too am suspicious of those who have worked out in detail exactly who was behind 9/11, 2 things to consider:
1. The establishment's, it's not just the Government's, conspiracy theory (I think of it as the GEICO theory; "9/11, So easy a caveman can do it!." ) is so clearly ludicrous it should be mocked at every opportunity.
2. At this time, people shouldn't be trying to fill in all the blanks, they should just be pointing out the lies.
 
November 26, 2008
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Katie said:

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Feed for feed readers?
Hi Chris,
I've found myself typing your URL in enough that I think it's time to just add you to my feed reader. :-)
However, I can't find a feed, if you're publishing one.
What is its URL, if you are? (If you have multiple lengths, I would like a link to a full-text feed.)

Thanks,
KitKat from KitKat's Critique
 
November 26, 2008 | url
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Todd Millions said:

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We just got another example didn't we-polish PM shot at in in Georgia?
And to test if our collective pottyness is still accelerating we are to beleive (from reports) thAT 'RUSSIAN SNIPERS' MISS AT 300 YARDS!
My ex sniper,ex father must be laughing as hard as did when tne warren commission report was issued. Hope his bladder can still handle such strain.
If georgian political military provocutering were up to the mark -surely they should have arranged a polish attack on a german radio station-on this midnight tour(with cameras rolling).There israeli advisers must have slipped to a seriously sub-gobbels standard.
 
November 26, 2008
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el grillo said:

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Dan-in-PA

"National Security" is imperialist aggression attempting to hide behind its little middlefinger.

Fixed that for ya, Grillo...

Thanks, man..... Chirp! Chirp!......They add insult to injury.
 
November 27, 2008
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blue ox babe said:

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Excellent response to "PF", who lately was trolling Winter Patriot's blog with similar ridiculous assertions concerning Mr Floyd, and adding like remarks defaming Arthur Silber.

 
November 27, 2008
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BLAQFATHER said:

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OIL AND GAS PIPELINES

Is it a coincidence that most of the extremist groups around the world are in OIL producing countries? I say NO. Wherever there is OIL, GAS and MONEY involved, there has been a consistent attempt to destabilize governments and seize control of that OIL and GAS for the sake of the large world-wide Western Elite OIL and GAS conglomerates. You need only look at a map of Bush administration targets and potential targets to see this connection.

The 10th steering committee of oil ministers from Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India on Thursday agreed to start construction work on the much-delayed TAPI (Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India) pipeline project in 2010.

This was stated at a joint press conference by Minister for Petroleum and Natural Resources Khwaja Muhammad Asif, Turkmen Minister for Oil and Gas Industry Dr Baymurad Hojamuhamedov, Afghan Minister of Mines Mohammad Ibrahim Adel and Indian Minister for Petroleum and Natural Gas Shri Murli Deora here after the conclusion of the steering committee meeting.

The second meeting of the technical working group (TWG) of the four countries was also held the same day. The gas pipeline project, to be completed at the cost of $7.6 billion, will start supplying 3.2 billion cubic feet gas per day through 56-inch diameter pipeline.

The pipeline will start from Dauletabad field in Turkmenistan to Fazilka at the Pakistan-India border, passing through Herat and Kandahar in Afghanistan and Multan in Pakistan. The project cost estimate was $3.3 billion in 2004, which has now been updated to $7.6 billion. The price increase was due to sharp increase in the price of steel, construction cost and the cost of compressor stations.

Afghanistan has Gas in the form of a large pipeline. India also has a large gas pipeline. We are led to believe that US CIA incursions into these regions of the world are of “vital national interest.” Apparently this means that the interests of the US and the interests of large world-wide OIL and GAS conglomerates are one in the same.

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americanfreepress.net/html/cia_and_heroin_158.html

petrostrategies.org/Links/Worlds_Largest_Oil_and_Gas_Companies_Sites.htm

ringnebula.com/Oil/Timeline.htm
 
November 27, 2008
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dave mann said:

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Chris - I think PF is just asking that we be perfectly clear that 9-11 was an INSIDE JOB. Or no ? Buildings just fall down at free-fall speed when hit or not hit with planes ?? You work is otherwise tremendous but I agree with PF on that.
 
November 28, 2008
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Rob D said:

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So, gov't`s blow up their countries own train stations to pervert the cause of leftists like the Red Brigades? YES? NO, Mr. Floyd. They aren't anywhere smart enough and if you ever worked in gov't you would know that. They are plodding bureaucracies desparetly trying to hold on to power long enough to make some contacts that will benefit them later. That's about it. And the Italian gov't of the 70`s was a hopeless bunch of incompetents whose daily hijinks were the subject of much scorn. I knew many Italian communists of the period and they KNEW the RB had blown up that train station because they KNEW them and just how sick and violent those guys and girls were.

The problem with guys like you is you promulgate nonsense. You take away from actual journalists work who deal with reality and not the fevered "grassy knoll" crap that has been discredited. YOu know the worst part about life? Most people, under pressure, will opt for security (however illusory) over freedom. You don't think Obama is King now because people want change , do you? No, its because they got an economic kick in the privates that scared the hell out of them. REally, who cares about anything else when it comes down to it? Empathy for victims isn't really what America is about.Its about consuming. and forgetting.
 
November 28, 2008
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chris said:

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I have worked in government
I have worked in government -- and so has Franceso Cossiga and Giulio Andreotti and the Gladio veterans who have come clean, and the CIA veterans who for decades have bragged of their various black ops and covert ops and so forth.


And it's really great that you knew real live Italian communists back in the 1970s, although I have a hard time seeing how your personal acquaintanceships disprove any and all government involvement in fomenting violence and infiltrating and/or manipulating extremist groups, etc., anytime, anywhere. Are you saying this kind of thing never happens, and has never happened -- just because you happened to work in a government office at some point with a bunch of incompetent bureaucrats?


Does the existence of operations like Gladio -- which have been confirmed not only by participants but also by actual journalists who work with reality -- mean that every conspiracy theory is true, or that "guys like me" who point to these accredited reports also believe and swallow and push every single unconfirmed David Icke-ish plot out there? In a word, no. But if you want to "deal with reality," it seems a bit strange to dismiss out of hand the oft-confirmed reality of instances of "the strategy of tension" in practice, especially when "actual journalists" have the practitioners themselves on record.


And Christ Almighty, where did you get the notion that actual, confirmed operations like Gladio are NOT run incompetently? We have over the last five years witnessed one of the most extensive "strategy of tension" operations in the history of the world: the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Do you think that particular operation was run competently? It was a vast, botched job -- but the competence or incompetence doesn't matter, as long as it gets the job done. And the job -- as you rightly say -- is generally keeping one elite or another in power long enough to make another big pile and set the conditions so they can keep that pile.


You say, again rightly, that scared people opt for the idea of security over freedom -- which is why even incompetent government bureaucrats can profitably use fear-mongering to advance their various agendas, short-term or long-term. As we have seen with Iraq, it doesn't take some super-sleek James Bond operation; even the crudest, most bumbling, transparent, contradictory and easily disproven "psy-ops" can let you kill a million people, loot an entire nation and enrich your cronies, all in broad daylight, in slow motion, for years and years. (And also run "strategy of tension" ops inside the conquered country, using death squads and goading extremists into action, etc. as reported by Sy Hersh and other "actual journalists." Or do Sy and the other "guys like him" become "grassy knollers" if their reportage finds a government hand in such activities?


So in the end, what exactly are you saying? That we should all be tough-guy nitty-gritty realists -- the type who know that people are just a bunch of scared jerks who'll follow anybody who promises to keep them safe and protect their own measly little pile -- while also being pollyannas who should never, ever believe that governments could do such nasty things as foment, provoke and/or allow attacks and threats that they can then use to enhance their own power? I honestly don't get it. If your point is that you have inside information from your old Italian contacts about one particular operation, that's one thing. But how this extrapolates into a general denial that such operations do not and cannot happen (in the face of all evidence to the contrary), as well as a blanket condemnation of "guys like me" as wholesale peddlers of every conspiracy theory coming down the pike -- well, that's a logic I can't quite follow.
 
November 28, 2008 | url
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PF said:

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Thank you, Dave Mann. I ascribe no sinister motives to Mr. Floyd for his unwillingness (or lack of time and resources) for the blank spots in his writing on the strategy of tension. Who wants to be a "conspiracy theorist," after all? The US government has for many, many years been the motor behind assassinations and fake "terror" episodes around the world. How about saying so straight out? Those of us who speak about it openly are targetted for persectution and worse. "BileJones's" approach would have us simply mock idiotic official explanations but provide no content, despite the detailed work already done to unravel the events of 9/11/01 and countless other examples of domestic terror. I suppose this is the ironic approach to official terror, which is both hip and inconsequential.

Chris -- you don't have to write about every issue everyday, and as noted I appreciate your work very much in many areas. However, Americans have so many illusions in their government that they believe that one man can "change" 100 years of imperial violence and corporate greed and that well-articulated demands will someone get those in power to see it our way. They need to understand what their government has done, continues to do, and will do into the future until they are stopped. This is the root of my frustration.

Oh, and "blue ox babe" -- you know I am right about Silber



 
November 28, 2008
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blue ox babe said:

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PF, you're not even close to being "right" about Silber, unless by "right" you mean that your comments on him reflect what a "right"-wing person would say about him.

What I believe about you is that you are a deceiver, and the real intent of your posts is much more negative and nefarious. You are sowing caustic doubt. I'd only wonder whose interests you are advancing. If they're your own, I wonder how you get ahead by running down Arthur Silber, Chris Floyd and Winter Patriot. But then, your posts at WP's comments thread show how you're dishonest and disrespectful of established, provable fact. So I'm not expecting honesty from you on what it is you personally gain by running down 3 insightful writers. Maybe it just makes you feel superior. Maybe you just want to be the center of attention.

Or maybe there's something deeper and more malignant at work.

 
November 28, 2008
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PF said:

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Blue ox babe -- when I wrote that I was "right" about Arthur Silber, I meant that I was right to point out that he believes that 19 "muslim" hijackers armed with box cutters brought down the World Trade Center. Go back and re-read the comments on Winter Patriot, in particular that writer's agreement with my point about Silber (and he claims I was too generous with Silber). I am "disrespectful of established, provable fact"? This makes no sense.

Please re-read before you cast more aspersions on my character, like accusing me of wanting "to be the center of attention" or of "something deeper and more malignant." Nice. If I wanted to be the center of attention, I guess I would spit out commentary on virtually every post Chris Floyd writes (as you seem to do), then attack anyone who disagrees. And if I were to be up to "something more sinister," I would be telling people to shut up and believe it when Arthur Silber tells them that muslim fundamentalists are at war with America as payback for US imperialism and that they crashed airplanes into buildings on 9/11/01.
 
November 29, 2008
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blue ox babe said:

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Interesting bit of polite put-down there, PF. I enjoy your feeble attempts at getting in a few digs at my expense. I hope you can bask in your own aura of smugness.

Incidentally -- I'd like to know how it is you know my state of mind, as you have suggested when you say that I "attack" anyone who "disagrees." You'd need to know (1) that I was in an attacking mood, and (2) what exactly I agree with. You don't know either point.

 
November 30, 2008
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lordmisterford said:

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Rob D --
That "fevered, grassy-knoll crap" has NEVER been discredited. It has been denied by some highly skilled liars and by some honestly deluded fantasists (among them many of those "actual journalists" who think they deal with reality) but the fact remains: Nobody who knows the least thing about shooting and firearms (having seen the Zapruder film) honestly believes the Warren Report. The single-bullet theory simply is not possible, and the fact that Congress accepted what is plainly impossible as an explanation for the murder of a president points to widespread knowledge within government of what did in fact happen.
 
December 01, 2008 | url
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