Why have so many former Guantanamo prisoners returned to the jihad? Because nothing was done at Gitmo to disabuse them of the jihad ideology -- and that is because that ideology is little understood and even less taken into account by policymakers. "Abdullah Mehsud dead: spokesman," from the Daily Times of Pakistan, with thanks to Michelle Malkin and JS:
PESHAWAR: A spokesman for wanted tribal militant Abdullah Mehsud claimed on Sunday that the kidnapper of two Chinese engineers “died of his wounds” after a bullet pierced his chest in an Army commandos-led operation in North Waziristan Agency on March 5.Abdullah died of his wounds on Thursday (March 10) at an unknown location, the spokesman told tribal journalist Sailab Mehsud who “Abdullah wished to be called first to give the news of his martyrdom.”
The spokesman for the one-legged militant, former Guantanamo Bay inmate, said the 28-year-old Abdullah was hit by bullets in his chest during the March 5 operation in which army claimed to have killed two foreigners and arrested 11 others.
Let them keep coming back, if we don't send 'em to allah the first time we'll do it the next time. Better than costing us in detention camps.
I wonder if the missing leg will be restored for his sensual experience in Paradise?
Gee. Like so many others, he must have forgotten he wasn't a terrorist.
Geoff
During the early days of the Vietnam conflict
the seasoned Korean soldiers were feared by the V.C. because of their martial Arts tortures and the knowledge that "You can't re-educate a communist" meant you either spill your guts on VC troop movements or face a painful death from
a Korean with no mercy for the enemy.
These thugs in Gitmo never had such good living conditions,finally have a bath,clean cloths,toothbrush,free medical care by onsite Doctor.
I hope they're being tagged with a small chip
like pets have under their skin,sattelite tracking
would help find the kingpins when these weasels
crawl back to their scumbag bosses.
Okay, let me say it: President Bush believes that Islam is a co-fraternal religion among the nominal faiths of Abraham, and has incorporated that delusion into his foreign policy. Frankly, Bush will not hear any truthful statement on Muslim belief that Judaism and Christianity are "Shaytanic" (Satanic) distortions of Abrahamic Islam (Muslim dogma holds that Abraham was not a Jew, but a member of some nominal "Hanif" tribe). Bush's deference to Islam caused him to outlaw Baathism - notwithstanding pro-Western Seculars among that movement - as the CPA's first order of business in liberated Iraq. The catastrophic creation of this power vacuum has advanced Islamofascism in the name of nominal "freedom," and has handed extreme leverage - even over Iraqi Kurds - to the same ideologues who perpetrated the 9-11 atrocities.
Either the US administration ceases to deny that Islamofascism is the leading ideology among Muslims, and deals with this mortal enemy of Western Civilization, or the War on Terror will continue to be best characterized as a costly subsidy of that enemy. As I write, the Persian terrorist entity is prepping for use of the Bush' delivered Hizballah corridor from Teheran to Jerusalem.
After WW2, Nazism was outlawed as an ideology. During the Korean War, the US set up an agency to de-program Communist captives. And Nazis and Communists are not moving into neighborhoods all over Western Civilization.Why the hell do we have to respect the freedom of conscience of Muslims? The extreme deference to Muslim-centrist Bush-Think is hardly appropriate in a non-election year.
On another matter, a self-proclaimed "liberal" Muslim group based in California is going to conduct a Jumuah (Friday Prayer) which will be led by women. Prediction: our Muslim immigrant community will issue death threats, and our majority will again deny inherent Muslim depravity.
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/main/archives/2005/03/a_statement_fro_1.php
Okay, let me say it: President Bush believes that Islam is a co-fraternal religion among the nominal faiths of Abraham, and has incorporated that delusion into his foreign policy. Frankly, Bush will not hear any truthful statement on Muslim belief that Judaism and Christianity are "Shaytanic" (Satanic) distortions of Abrahamic Islam (Muslim dogma holds that Abraham was not a Jew, but a member of some nominal "Hanif" tribe). Bush's deference to Islam caused him to outlaw Baathism - notwithstanding pro-Western Seculars among that movement - as the CPA's first order of business in liberated Iraq. The catastrophic creation of this power vacuum has advanced Islamofascism in the name of nominal "freedom," and has handed extreme leverage - even over Iraqi Kurds - to the same ideologues who perpetrated the 9-11 atrocities.
Either the US administration ceases to deny that Islamofascism is the leading ideology among Muslims, and deals with this mortal enemy of Western Civilization, or the War on Terror will continue to be best characterized as a costly subsidy of that enemy. As I write, the Persian terrorist entity is prepping for use of the Bush' delivered Hizballah corridor from Teheran to Jerusalem.
After WW2, Nazism was outlawed as an ideology. During the Korean War, the US set up an agency to de-program Communist captives. And Nazis and Communists are not moving into neighborhoods all over Western Civilization.Why the hell do we have to respect the freedom of conscience of Muslims? The extreme deference to Muslim-centrist Bush-Think is hardly appropriate in a non-election year.
On another matter, a self-proclaimed "liberal" Muslim group based in California is going to conduct a Jumuah (Friday Prayer) which will be led by women. Prediction: our Muslim immigrant community will issue death threats, and our majority will again deny inherent Muslim depravity.
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/main/archives/2005/03/a_statement_fro_1.php
Hey smokem,
Surely one is caught between the devil and the deep blue when the choice is between Bathists and islamists, at least the Bath party as run by saddam.
With a secular party like the Bath in Iraq, the islamic side looked good.
Get rid of the Bath, and let's see, after a few years, how the islamic side is doing.
I would suggest that they have already seen their high point of popularity, and, from here on, to many 'modern' Iraqis, the islamic parties will be the 'oppressors', the reactionaries.
The problem is, of course, once the islamic parties are ruling Iraq, will there ever be another real election.
dby:
Muslim clerics (ulama) subscribe to the dogma that democracy seizes sovereignty from their god-entity. Islamic states - like the Pakistan terrorist entity - have constitutionalized conformity of parliamentary legislation, to the "injunctions of Islam." Any variance from Islamic tyranny - authenticated in the perverse Saudi terrorist entity - is purely strategic. Every election in the Muslim tyrannies is merely a step toward legitimating dictatorship.
Smokem, I believe that Bush the fundamntalist Christian has his eyes more wide open about Islam than many of his detractors. He's friendly to orthodox Jews, too, but I'm sure in his heart of hears he thinks that it's a pity they don't recognize M'shiach. And just as he won't throw rocks or use the power of his office to "persuade" the Jews, he's trying to be charitable to Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and whoever, too. That may well mesh with his current job description, which is to be President of the United States, including at least a couple millions of Muslims who hold dark blue passports (even a few who carry the black diplomatic one--I knew a few back in my State Department days).
Had I been in Bush's shoes, I would've probably said no more than that the USA is interested in finding and punishing the perpetrators, not a willy-nilly retribution against millions of Muslims simply for belonging to the same religion confessed by the bad eggs; that the USA gratefully recognizes the positive contributions of its Muslim citizens; and will not countenance "lynch law" in response to a crisis that requires not only sacrifice, but cool heads as well. It's just that God in His wisdom did not decree that Kepha should be president of the USA on 9/11 (and probably all for the good of all concerned)
I would like the whole world to convert to my religion (conservative, fundamental Presbyterianism), too. It's just that if I take up the gun and bomb to do it rather than the long-term, patient, and charitable spiritual weapons of which the Apostle Paul speaks, I'll get a lot of cowed cynics in my church rather than true believers.
God save these United States.
"Because nothing was done at Gitmo to disabuse them of the jihad ideology.." Pardon me if I'm off base here, but is there *anything* we (the civilized world) can do to disabuse them of their ideology? Deprogramming is very difficult, if not impossible. Can they ever be trusted? Shouldn't the better (for us) alternative be to keep them locked up forever?
So, what do we file this case under? American Intelligence balls up # 123,453?
I should write a book...
US Foreign Policy 1955-2005: a saga of mindless disasters.
OK, so you tell me.....
American intelligence victories 1955-2005?
1.The collapse of the USSR? Nah, that was 99% internal forces.
2. The invasion of Grenada? That tiny Third World speck on the map? Maybe.
3. The invasion of Panama? A country of a couple of million people with no standing army? Maybe.
4. The Gulf Wars? Please! No way!
5. Cambodia - nope
6. Lebanon - nope
7. Vietnam - nope
8. Somalia - nope
10. Laos - nope
11. Iran (hostage rescue) - nope
12. Chile - nope
13. Nicaragua - What, by selling arms to the Iranians? By backing a fascist army against a democratically elected government? What a grubby affair that was.
14. Cuba (Castro/Bay of Pigs) - nope
15. Afghanistan? More or less - but the only reason you had to go in there in the first place was to fix previous errors. Let's not even talk about arming the Jihadists in the 80's to fight a secular government.
16. Serbia - more or less... shame about bombing the Chinese and losing one of your super-planes to the crappiest army in Europe though. But hey, you created an independent Islamic state on the doorstep of the EU - GREAT WORK!
17. OBL - nope
18. Libya - maybe, although the mad colonel is still in power.
What else?
For the price of 70,000 dead Americans and millions of dead Asians - what else???
Why don't you Americans save the world by doing nothing? It would save hundreds of billions of your tax dollars. You could build a big wall on the Mexican border and build a Disneyland on the moon or something, or maybe you could do something really whacko with the money and get yourselves free national healthcare.
Timbo, I am sorry that you hate your true ally. We will not "do nothing" because we are in the fight for our life.
You call this "help"?
I don't hate America by the way. I hate your foreign policy - not your country, and not your countrymen. In some ways you are the best country in the world - in other ways not.
You've got more good points than bad, but let's be honest about things.
You should have just stepped back from Communism and watched it rot, so long as no Nato country was ever invaded.
SAME THING GOES FOR THE ISLAMIC WORLD.
You think you're the world's police...
well,
A. Such a thing is impossible
B. You suck at this job, you make everything worse.
C. You fight for democracy but generally cause anarchy and devastation.
D. You fight for democracy and human rights as a universal truth - it's not! You and I want freedom, but billions of people in the world reject it, they WANT authoritarianism.
Develop alternative energy, stop buying oil from the Arabs (and being the world's biggest polluter). Withdraw troops from Islamic countries, let them rip each others guts out.
Timbo~ you've got me curious. Which country in your OP has been the most succesful in doing things around the world? The USSR? China?
That's a legitimate question. Unless you are saying that the whole world is just stumbling along, and whomever gets luckiest...