In my book Islam Unveiled I explain how the example of the Prophet Muhammad is normative for Muslims -- and justifies violent jihadist activity and more. Here is another example: "London Islamist Dr. Hani Al-Sibaai Justifies Slaughters in Iraq: The Prophet Muhammad Used to Slaughter As Well," from MEMRI, with thanks to CJM:
Dr. Hani Al-Siba'i: That is the question I'd like to answer. Do these people base themselves on Islamic law or not? They claim that they do, and to support it, they say that slaughtering appeared in a hadith by the Prophet, which was pronounces authentic by Sheik Ahmad Shaker. The Prophet told the Quraysh tribe: "I have brought slaughter upon you," making this gesture. But these are religious issues that may be disputed.Dr. Hani Al-Siba'i: (The mujahideen say: "This is the time for Jihad jurisprudence. Iraq is an occupied country, so we must study Jihad jurisprudence, which is exceptional law. In this case, there is no need to ask permission – a wife does not need to ask for her husband's permission to fight.
Interviewer: There is no consensus here.. This is just one opinion.
Dr. Hani Al-Siba'i: This is the opinion of the greatest clerics.
Interviewer: But there are other clerics who criticize and condemn what is happening…
Dr. Hani Al-Siba'i: The problem, Dr. Muhammad…
Interviewer: Does the problem lie with Al-Zarqawi or with the religious scholars?
Dr. Hani Al-Siba'i: The problem lies with the religious scholars. When they are asked to confront these (mujahideen), to talk with them and respond to the evidence they present. (The mujahideen) tell the Prophet drove nails into and gouged out the eyes of people from the 'Urayna Tribe. They were merely a group of thieves who stole from sheep herders, and the Prophet drove nails into them and threw them into the Al-Hrara area, and left them there to die. He blinded them and cut off their opposite legs and arms. This is what the Prophet did on a trifling matter – let alone in war. What else could they do when a 1000 lb. bomb lands on a house or a shack belonging to poor people, and the world doesn't shed a tear, but cries only about the slaughtering. All they have is a knife… ...
Ali Al-Saraf, Iraqi Journalist: Dr. Hani said the Prophet gouged out a man's eye, killed another, and threw…
Dr. Hani Al-Siba'i: This is a true tradition in the collection of Al-Bukhari.
Ali Al-Saraf, Iraqi Journalist: Excuse me, the Prophet did not do this to innocent people, like this riffraff in Iraq. They kill people who have nothing to do with…...
They don’t even acknowledge the term "civilians."
Interviewer: Who decides what the term means?
Dr. Hani Al-Siba'i: The religious legal authority. One reads in history… I have an historical religious source of authority. Islamic history has no term for "civilian" in the Western sense. This is a Western term. In our Islamic rules of war, one can be a "combatant", a "non-combatant", or "protected by an agreement." A person can be a combatant even if he does not carry a weapon. In other words, a person who came to wash and cook for the American soldiers in order to free them to fight – like the Nepalese – such a person is considered a combatant.
Morning all! Some of the links below also offer justifications by some in our Academia, for slaughter.
From the Pathetic Links Department:
The reason Why we must challenge the Leftist Academia:
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/poulson200503070744.asp
Which is to say, the reason I shall never stop posting these links, kj.
From the Academic Assault on America Dept.:
http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/groupprofile.asp?grpid=6526&catType=Academia&category=71
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17293
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17292
In our Name, NOT in our Image (Iraq):
http://techcentralstation.com/030805A.html
Deconstructing Demonstration Day (Lebanon):
http://techcentralstation.com/030705I.html
From the kj ‘FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH!’ Dept.:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/paulgreenberg/pg20050307.shtml
the Prophet drove nails into and gouged out the eyes of people from the 'Urayna Tribe. They were merely a group of thieves who stole from sheep herders, and the Prophet drove nails into them and threw them into the Al-Hrara area, and left them there to die. He blinded them and cut off their opposite legs and arms. This is what the Prophet did on a trifling matter – let alone in war.
OMG!!!
Can you even imagine a Jesus or a Buddha preaching horror such as this? And since Mohd. is al-insan al-kamil (the perfect man) , his life is exemplary and obligatory to re-live for every moslem man.....And we want inter-faith understanding with these peaceable folks??
How many out there know about these sweet exploits? How many will agree to openly defend them in the west?
Hei! I like that guy!
Know why? No taqqiya, no propaganda, no excuses, no false accusations, no "huh" or "aehmmm"!
Just plain and simple:
"We want to kill you infidels, today we only have knives (which is untrue, because Zarqawi could use a gun to shoot his victims) but I hope that one beautiful day we, the followers of Muhammed will have the bomb".
Mr.Dr. Hani Al-Siba'i al- Akbar al-"I-have-cut-a-sheep's-throat-now- I-long-for-an-infidel's-head" should be deported asap!!!
List of people killed for opposing Muhammad:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1142
A person can be a combatant even if he does not carry a weapon and yet he complains when the Americans drop a 1000 lb. bomb lands on a house where poor people live. Maybe those poor people were washing and cooking for the mujahideen, Dr. Hani. According to Islamic rules of war Americans have every right to kill everyone aiding and abetting the enemy.
Leveller - Hell, no! Don't you understand? What is allowed to them, because of the holy cause of spreading Islam, is not allowed their enemies. What is sauce for the goose, in Islam, is well and truly not sauce for the gander. They are different from us. Which is why they feel justified in making all sorts of claims of right from us (it is their right) but not to offer us anything to match (we have no rights).
Such are our enemies.
Leveller,
just don't waste your time with logical debating.
All they (Hani & alike) want is to win. Bush was right and is right and will be right: Me or You!
Or to quote André Malreaux
who was a bit wiser than Chirac: "the 21st century will be religious or it will be nothing"
"(The mujahideen) tell the Prophet drove nails into and gouged out the eyes of people from the 'Urayna Tribe. They were merely a group of thieves who stole from sheep herders, and the Prophet drove nails into them and threw them into the Al-Hrara area, and left them there to die. He blinded them and cut off their opposite legs and arms. This is what the Prophet did on a trifling matter – let alone in war."
IF this is what they do to "merely a group of thieves...", then I wonder what they would feel justified to do to merely a group of infidels. Rather than falling victim to taqiyya and all the talk of how Islam is a religion of peace, people need to understand what Islam allows you to lie about, and what they cling to with all their might...
They use taqiyya to tell you what you "want" to hear, and they cling tightly to all the things that make you cringe about Islam.
Understand taqiyya - Understand Islam.
Moose
I am just astounded that people in the 21st century can believe that the supreme being would take pleasure in extreme, sadistic, "house-of-horrors", type of death. I will ask the question again. What kind of religion causes people to believe that murder, mutilation, etc. is a GOOD THING?
I swear (repeatedly), if there was a group that thought these kinds of thoughts, then acted on them, BUT made no claim to do them under the sanction of divine authority, they would be rounded up and dealt with appropriately.
Folks, the claim to believe in God, even a God that is claimed to be the same as the Judeo-Christian God, must NOT offer offenders of this sort ANY sanctuary from accepting responsibility for their wretched behavior. MUST NOT!
We cannot properly outlaw belief systems per se, but there is NO reason for us not to outlaw inappropriate actions that violate the rights of the rest of us. Anyone can THINK OR BELIEVE anything for "religious reasons," but it doesn't mean that anyone can BEHAVE any way for "religious reasons."
The consumption of certain drugs is not permitted just because it is part of a religious ritual; for the most part, gratuitous cruelty to animals is not permitted; human sacrifice is not permitted--except, it would appear, for Islam.
As Robert's book title suggests, Islam must be unveiled;let's pull off the veil that conceals Islam as the evil entity it really is! Let's pull off the sheep's clothing that conceals the wolf! Let's apply rational standards to our opposition to this sort of behavior!
DO NOT allow these behaviors to continue under cover of "religion."
In my book Islam Unveiled I explain how the example of the Prophet Muhammad is normative for Muslims
I thank you Mr. Spencer who made me aware that slavish emulation of Muhammad's example is the foundation of Islam. On a face to face basis I have said the same thing to many people. I am educating others same as R Spencer informed me. Thanks
I firmly believe we have the laws to deal with the Islamics.
We are not making use of them. We also have no group of lawyers, (of the caliber of Dershowitz) and the sheer unlimited funding that a court challenge( to outlaw Islam) would require.
To actually challenge Islam in the high court and to prove that it is not a religion, but in fact an alien, oppressive and totalitarian ideology remains to be seen. Just to make the case would be a victory in itself, regardless of the outcome!
A person can be a combatant even if he does not carry a weapon and yet he complains when the Americans drop a 1000 lb. bomb lands on a house where poor people live. Maybe those poor people were washing and cooking for the mujahideen, Dr. Hani. According to Islamic rules of war Americans have every right to kill everyone aiding and abetting the enemy.
Posted by: Leveller at March 8, 2005 08:14 AM
1 Gold Star for you today!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage Amen
Dr Hani al-Saba'i is in London? Why? With what visa or permit? The thoughts he expresses in this interview should be, a rightly-ordered commonwealth, grounds enough for expelling him at once, back to some -- it hardly matters which -- Muslim country. And if he is a naturalized citizen? This attitude toward the enemy, the Infidel enemy, and English people are Infidels, and the country is entirely a product of Infidels, have every right to remove, physically, anyone who expresses such beliefs, or is known to share them.
What conceivable grounds are there for not expelling him?
Hugh
I don't know what good Expelling someone does after look at all the damage that arafat[YELLOW COWARD WHO WAS CURSED WITH WORMS] did how many countries was he expelled from??
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK A LITTLE TOUGHER THAN JUST EXPELLING!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the countries who have HEROS Amen
Pity the countries who need them[NOT]
Sheikh Hani is an example of an honest person. Hence, I'll be honest, too: if he ever lands on US shores, invoke the Patriot Act, through him in the clink, and give him the Third Degree until he spills the beans on every terrorist connection he has--then deport him to the first Muslim state of which he's run afoul.
Yeah, this "Prophet" was a real nice guy. Great role model. It's amazing how honest they are about what that psychopath did, and without batting an eyelid, they smile and say this is just, this is a good example to follow today. It's so creepy.
What kind of religion makes people think like this? One that strips the humanity out of a human, leaving an empty, mindless, soulless shell to do the bidding of a 7th Century psychopath.
What is there for a Muslim in life anyway? Where's the fun, the creativity, the productivity, the sense of purpose, the desire to improve one's lot and the lot of others, to grow, to progress? Their only goal is to spread Islam, a backward, tribal, violent political ideology disguised as religion, across the globe and subjugate non-believers. That's the only sense of power and accomplishment they have. No wonder they welcome death.
Islamic history has no term for "civilian" in the Western sense. This is a Western term. In our Islamic rules of war, one can be a "combatant", a "non-combatant", or "protected by an agreement." A person can be a combatant even if he does not carry a weapon.
I fear there is going to be no end to this war. In fact I'm certain of it. This war is going to continue for we have allowed msulims into our lands. Our peace and our freedoms are threatened each passing day, if not buy our own government, then by any passing muslim who has taken offence at what you said about islam.
All muslims in the West should be regarded as combatants, even if they do not carry a weapon at the time. The only way we will win this war and at the sametime regain our freedoms, as well as free muslims from islam, is by separation. I do not think our societies, geared as they are to free and open thought, can continue while this assault on freedom in underway. If this assault is not brought to a halt soon, then free society will start to perish. It may not be evident immediately, but perish it will in the fullness of time.