From the letters: a detailed Qur'anic justification for killing in Allah's name
Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, the Tarheel jihadist, has written six letters to the Daily Tar Heel, student newspaper of the University of North Carolina (thanks to Joseph), where he tried to kill students for Allah by running them over in an SUV.
The letters are revealing on many levels. Pdfs of them are available here, here, here, here, and here.
There is a strong apologetic content to these letters. He is engaging in da'wa, trying to convert those who read them to Islam. They are also revealing of the jihadist mindset. He also describes what he did on the day of the attack in great detail, including which sections of the Qur'an he read at which hours leading up to his attack. He also says that he rises at 3AM in his jail cell to...read the Qur'an.
A few other observations about them:
1. Taheri-azar is not insane. He is articulate and perfectly in control of what he is saying.
2. He was not motivated by poverty or deprivation. Nor was he an ignorant bumpkin manipulated by sophisticated machiavels.
3. He firmly believes that he acted in obedience to Qur'anic dictates -- see the image above. (Yet in response we will no doubt get another flat statement from Islamic apologists, to the effect that the Qur'an absolutely condemns what he did and yet quoting no Qur'an, or if quoting any then only 5:32.)
The implications of this must be faced, and soon, by both non-Muslims and Muslims in America.
A few brief quotes from the letters:
Allah demands of believers to retaliate violently against persons responsible for attacking them or their fellow Believers around the world. ([Qur'an] 2:178-179, 5:45, 8:72, 9:38, 9:71, 42:39-42, 49:10).
People who fight in the cause of Allah are not guilty if and when they have no intention of killing more persons among their enemies than their enemies have killed among the Believers.
I have heard and read that people calling themselves "Muslims" claim that I "misinterpreted" the Qur'an, as grounds for denouncing my attack on March 3rd. I respond by appealing to logic as I've done in Meditation III. [Also see the image above.]
Due to my religious motivation for the attack, I feel no remorse and am proud to have carried it out in service of and in obedience of Allah.
Considering that I injured several people both physically and psychologically, who were also American taxpayers, I feel that I succeeded in obeying Allah's commandment to fight against the enemies of His followers.
Since I acted only in obedience and reverence of Allah, I could never be sorry for hurting the victims, unless Allah wanted me to be sorry -- which I don't believe is the case, to my knowledge.
Note also his second reason why the Qur'an allows fighting in the name of Allah:
To release anger and rage from Allah's followers' hearts (9:14-15).
Is he misinterpreting the Qur'an? Here's 9:14-15:
Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers, and still the indignation of their hearts.
Robert --
This is getting embarrassing. Do you think they are embarrassed? You know, all the others? The people who run us, who tell us what to think, who supposedly protect us? Tom Friedman and Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and James Baker, Madeline Albright and George Bush, and all the others -- le tout Washington, Scheuer of the CIA (with all the worldliness and comprehension of Islam of a schoolboy raising hamsters for a 4-H club project), and all those in the CIA and the FBI and the local police who are, in their silence, in their miscomprehension, in their ignorance, about Islaml, always misunderstanding things, always underestimating and misunderestimating the origins, the nature, the potential scope, of the menace, always unable to articulate properly, always unable to account for much of the data as so many of them ignore any of the instruments of Jhad beyond that well-publicized one of "terror" and ignore all theatres of that war outside the Middle East, with its Lesser Jihad against Israel (often mistaken as a "nationalist uprising" by the "Palestinian people").
When will the intelligent replace the stupid? In time, or not in time? How long will it take?
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands
The world should be more worried about nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists than about Iran's nuclear program, the head of the UN's nuclear watchdog agency said Friday.
Mohamed ElBaradei, director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said there is no military solution to the standoff with Iran over its determination to continue its uranium enrichment program.
But he said the risk that terrorists could acquire a nuclear weapon was of greater concern.
(THEY ARE THE TERRORISTS..JUST ASK THE FAMILYS OF THE 241 MARINES KILLED BY THEM)
Islam exerts a powerful psychological pull upon its victim
everything the bible said would happen,seems to be playing out in front of our eyes,but hardley anyone seems to notice.oh yeah thats in the bible too.
IF the infidel body politic were NOT INSANE (and it most assuredly is), the Daily Tarheel would now publish these letters, along with referenced verses, and add commentary as to how the mujahid has acted quite rationally in accordance with his beliefs.
Also.....he is an intelligent and articulate jihadi, and will certainly attempt to employ these arguments at his trial. He'll be harder to dismiss as a crackpot than missoui was. CAIR may have to have him rubbed out, lest the infidels finally start to pay attention........
Letters to a mujahid; kiss my ever loving lilly white YANKY ars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
I'm not sure any evidence is going to convince the people who've invested their lives and careers on bankrupt ideologies, myths, and delusions. Certainly everyone is wrong about some things, or many things, but education, media, politics, and political theory had relegated this sort of warfare to the dustbin of history. The notion it could flare up again in our Space Age World seemed preposterous to most of them.
Marxists, progressives, multicult leaders, and the like, seem to think the aggressors are just another oppressed minority pet they can slip under their big tent of grievances.
Islam's apologists have done a masterful propaganda and historical revisionist job on education. Their victimization specialists know us better than we know ourselves. Whenever a jihadist writes something to the public, they carefully select the buzzwords and terms which are sure to paralyze or pacify the uneducated but communicate a completely different message to the ummah.
Underestimating the enemy has cost us dearly so far. I doubt one criminal case in North Carolina, however instructive, will change many minds. There's almost no possibility the mainstream media will report on this material.
As for the Daily Tarheel, they can feel good about doing real journalism when it's become a rarity. In a world where the number of outlets seems to be increasing exponentially, most still rely on the miserable reporting of three major wire services.
It used to be hard to believe someone so intelligent, educated, and conversant on topics from philosophy to physics could decide to kill strangers for God. Not any more.
His writing shows the confusion of a young man beginning to grapple with knowledge, confounded by absolutism, but these letters take insanity right off the table. He's accomplished at making an argument. Another overdose on Islam. Just say no, kids.
L wonder how long it will take for a any one of those intelectuals on the media circuit can connect the dots to islam? oh my the leftist media is more concerned with Bush being a Christian!
Read every word. Fantastic.
"Also.....he is an intelligent and articulate jihadist, and will certainly attempt to employ these arguments at his trial. He'll be harder to dismiss as a crackpot than missoui was. CAIR may have to have him rubbed out, lest the infidels finally start to pay attention........"
I was actually thinking he could be a CIA operative, you know.... a double agent.... doing his job to show the world the REAL and following instructions by "the Book" twisted logic of the pious Jihadist.
This stuff written lucidly and in defence of his cult swipes away the possible defence of madness or being manipulated once he gets to court. He says clearly in his own words why he tried to murder ordinary, decent and innocent Americans.
Great advert for Islam, the real deal, honesty instead of deceit. Put it on prime-time.
I hope he gets Supermax and dies with a whimper.
ezekiel 37 the birth of israel in 1948...ezekiel 38 & 39 the coming war.
Reza Taheri's document does a good job at revealing the Quran for the murder-manual it is. His understanding of the true nature of the Muslim holy book is as clear as that of Robert and Hugh.
He's now pleading not guilty. Why are they always so brave when they're committing the crimes and then turn into a wimpy yellow bellied..chicken when it comes time to face the music?
They can't even stand behind their convictions. I'll bet the muslim women are real proud of their men when they start changing their tunes.
These letters really are fantastic.
His lawyers must be having fits. Taheri-azar comes across as intelligent, organized, in control of his actions, able to make judgments, seemingly quite aware that injuring/hurting people is not socially acceptable etc etc. I think that the legal test for insanity has something to do with "ability to know right from wrong." And he certainly seems to.
Yet...yet...he is obviously (in my practical framework) "crazy."
I am curious to hear attorneys' take on thes eletters as they sure seem (to a lay person) as nails in his coffin.
Wow. Somebody send that twerp a "thank you" card; his letters confirm everything we've been saying, only now it's a practicing Muslim blowing the lid off of the taqiyya from CAIR & Co.
How do ya like them apples, Ibrahim?
Raw Data,
Several years ago I noticed something which most lawyers would claim isn't possible. A Muslim can be legally "insane" (sort of, but not, because there's no disease of defect of the mind) and yet not be clinically insane. There's an army of psychologists out there who will give you a diagnosis of insanity for $300, or more/hour. I mean among unbiased psychologists.
The point is that his right is so wrong by our way of thinking it's impossible to say he understands right from wrong in our society.
On the other hand, Ward Churchill, and hundreds of similar professors, think pretty much the same way.
The UNC jihadi's essay on being and first causation is completely lucid and something Thomas Aquinas would recognize immediately as his "first cause" or "first mover" theories, albeit with too much added confusion tossed in from modern pseudo-philosophy.
Keep a close eye on CAIR. They have to shut this guy up. My prediction: A privately hired attorney appears, a sudden change of plea to guilty, and a generous payoff, unreported, courtesy some saudi benefactor, to this individual's family. Either that, or he suffers a sudden and severe debilitation while in jail awaiting trial. And by the way, writing and e-mail priviledges hereby revoked.
not a holy war?.....tell them.....Haniyeh stresses right of return
Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas says his right of return for Palestinian refugees is 'holy' for the Palestinian people; Hamas will make no concessions on issue to international peace brokers
Ali Waked and AP
Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh on Friday said that the right of return for Palestinian refugees is "holy" to the Palestinian people and hinted that the Hamas-led government will make no concessions on this front in any future peace talks
www.jpost.com On Friday morning, a roadside bomb struck an Iraqi army convoy, which police said was made up of Kurdish soldiers. Four soldiers were killed and three were wounded, police said. US military officials put the casualty figure at one dead and 12 wounded.
According to both the US and Iraqi accounts, the wounded were rushed to the US military hospital in Balad. Police said that as the Kurdish soldiers drove to the hospital, they fired weapons to clear the way, and one Iraqi Shiite civilian was killed.
Shiite soldiers from another Iraqi unit based in Balad rushed to the scene, and the Kurds decided to take their wounded elsewhere, Iraqi police said. Iraqi troops tried to stop them and shots were fired, killing one Shiite soldier, Iraqi police said
This letter of course is not at all surprising to regular readers of JW. It's all there - everything JW has been saying for years now. Just to double-check what I thought was the case, I just googled the word "jihad" and lo and behold, this site is the very first site that comes up.
It's now 5 years after 9/11. There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for any half-sentient person paying attention to world events, LET ALONE our leaders and all the other folks that Hugh mentions in his post - but added to that list JOURNALISTS worldwide, whose job it is to be informed - to be ignorant about the Koranic injunction to wage jihad against dar al-Harb. There is no excuse whatsoever to be ignorant about basic concepts such as "abrogation" and "taqiyya", and the facts about Muhammad's life and his journey from Meccca to Medina and the concept of the Muslim hudna and so on and so on.
We need to focus on the manifold reasons for this willful ignorance. We know by now that a good part of it stems from the fact that Muslims have co-opted the Jewish claims to victimhood and that the charge of "islamophobia" is designed precisely to silence well-meaning westerners by playing to their deep fears that they could possibly bring about a "second holocaust" - this time of the Muslims. It's a reasonable fear but it would take an entire book practically to straighten out that confusion.
But next to that, there is what can only be described as "arrogance" and "hubris" on the part of these same westerners. It is simply arrogant to place oneself at the center of the universe and imagine that people outside the western orbit can only be motivated by insanity, or poverty (money? LOL!) or in response to something WE have done?
On the contrary, recognition of what ACTUALLY fuels the jihad is FAR more respectful. Of course, I respect lions and tigers and wolves too. And when they wander into our back yards I recognize - with all due respect for their nature - just how much of a threat they actually represent to our children. And because I actually RESPECT lions and tigers and wolves - I recognize what needs to be done to prevent them from their preying on our children.
all that is missing from islam is the cobra on the turban.
Just guessing but I don't expect to see this in any of the major newspapers nor on the MSM television news.
Frog, you can bet on it. Anyone at the Daily Tar Heel want to try to fight saudi petrodollars? Talk about an uphill battle!
Dr.Elmasry is playing the "Islamophobia" card as a diversion from the Moussoui trial where even CAIR-USA won't make a definitive claim that he's not a Muslim.
Below is the Friday posting for the Antisemetic
website that the RCMP has done little to shut down for inciting Muslims to murder any Israeli over 18 , as Mohammad Elmasry boastfully asserted on a debate show on TV.
Dr.Elmasry now refers to Canada as a "State" , and this is exactly the term he used to justify suicide bombers murdering civilians in Israel.
Why this Islamist is still walking the streets , I'll never know .
Elmasry has the nerve to make "Free-speech" as part of this hatefest meeting, seems Elmasry wants Sharia-Law to punish the Cartoon publishers in Canada, and yet wants the "Charter Of Rights"
to protect his free-speech to call for the murdering of all Israelis over 18.
And Elmasry has fooled the Politicians and his University that he's one of the "Moderate" followers of Islam.
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CIC President To Speak At Toronto Socialist Conference And Halifax CAJ Convention on Islamophobia, The Canadian State and Free Speech
Dr. Mohamed Elmasry, national president of the Canadian Islamic Congress,
will be among the featured speakers and panel participants at two upcoming national gatherings this month.
On Saturday May 13, he will speak in Toronto at a morning discussion on Islamophobia and the Canadian State, one of many scheduled events at the May 11-14 Marxism-2006 gathering, being held at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, 252 Bloor Street West (St. George subway stop). For more information about this event see www socialist.ca
On Sunday May 14 he will be part of a panel at the Canadian Association of Journalists (CAJ) Conference in Halifax, May 12-14, called "No Joking Matter," discussing international responses to the Danish newspaper publication of cartoons ridiculing Islam and the Prophet Muhammad. This panel will be moderated by Halifax Chronicle-Herald chief editorial writer Bob Howse, and in addition to Dr. Elmasry will include Western Standard publisher Ezra Levant, Chronicle-Herald cartoonist Bruce MacKinnon, and Metro Toronto news editor Saleem Khan.
CONTACT:
Dr. Mohamed Elmasry
(519) 746-4107 (O)
(519) 498-1350 (Cell)
e-mail: np@canadianislamiccongress.com
When it came to education regarding Islam, i believe the early "educators" took the line that "Ignorance is Bliss".
Perhaps due the evidence of its negative scientific and cultural achievements, they judged that it was not a threst to western society, merely a backwards religion of the dark ages that had unlike Christianity never reformed and abandoned its supremacist and exterminationist views. An arrogant and dangerous notion indeed.
A joke perhaps,when viewed in the context of the then current industrial revolution. and the growing achievements of 19th century science and technology
So generations of students grew up in total ignorance and in that ignorance even romanticised a la "lawrence arabia" the noble savages who daringly crossed unhospitable desserts on camels.
The blissful ignorance helped to cement the myths about Islam in western society.
But the greatest myth of all, nurtured by wrongful interpretation of judeochristianty was the myth that all men are born good and that the evil that men do is an 'abberation' caused by reasons outside himself.
This line is the one followed by today's secular liberal thinkers- here no evil, see no evil and excuse or deflect it when it occurs.
But only the recognition of evil can prevent its spread.
The Ten Commandments are still today the most powerful tool in the prevention of chaos amd descent into dante's inferno. When taken IN FAITH they do protect us from the Evil inside us.
The tribal nature of humanity is seldom discussed today in the midst of the multicutural utopia of modern society. Not so long ago, Britain was divided into warring tribes in what some called "the dark ages".
Western society has successfully triumphed against the evils generated by man's inherent tribalism towards minorities living in its midst.
The Church has been instumental in this worthwhile goal.
Yet we remain tribal under the surface it is part of human nature.
But Islam is still an aggresive desert tribal religion which can easily unlock through its teaching,the homicidal evil side of man against other tribes in a war of supremacy.
Christianity has long lost the will and the power to do the same.
When Jesus, talked of "turning the other cheek" towards the barbarity of the Roman invaders, he did not mean to remain wilfully and bllisfully ignorant of those evils, But to resist the urges within ourselves to follow the paths to barbaric behavious.
Now it is the duty of Muslims to "turn the other cheek" ( As i am sure many have done already) to the barbaric teachings of unmutated Islam.
Hugh
"le tout Washington"
Naughty, naughty Hugh, to remind folks such as myself of the good old days when we devoured smuggled-in copies of Paris Match, with the permanent rubric "le tout Paris," which was Johnny Halliday, Sylvie Vartan, the frolicking of the Aga Khan types in Paris clubs, like Regine's, and Coluche, and the latest pronouncements of Magistrate Badinter, and the country homes of the Giscard D'Estaing tribe,
while real France was changing profoundly under the immigration laws.
Think of Coluche's zanny running for President back when compared with today's racist, hate monger "comedian" Dieudonne.
This is off topic, but this article is as good as any to post this.
I discovered some useful advice from a college Mohammedan website. Here is a sample of Mohammedan rules guaranteed to save your soul. Comments in parentheses are mine.
Never eat while walking
Always eat with your right hand, never with your left hand. (fork, spoon?)
Always drink, water, tea etc, with you right hand. (I always use a cup or a glass)
Urinating in a standing position is wrong and forbidden (for men or women?).
After you have finished using the toilet cleanse yourself with you left hand never use your right hand. To cleanse with you right hand is wrong. (Toilet paper? Soap and water?)
(When I use the toilet in my house (reading position), I am facing Mecca. Is that cool or what?)
What is this isalmophobia about the left hand? I am left handed and that adds to my uniqueness. When I was playing Little League ball, no one ever borrowed my glove. I was saved the experience of the “foreign-sweat- in-glove-syndrome.” The batter’s box was always nice and flat. Nobody in my family uses MY spinning reels - they’re all lefty. I love it when my boss sits at my computer and reaches for the mouse that ain’t there. You lefthanders who play golf rearly have anyone ask to borrow your clubs. Notice in western movies nobody wanted to shake hands with the left handed gunslinger.
I am also cross-dominant - that means my right eye is my dominant eye. I shoot rifles, archery, and billiards righty. I also kick footballs and Mohammedan butts right footed.
Where did this lefthand phobia/superstition come from - Naseem can you help with an answer?
Yes it should be splatted all over the news, a classic follow up story. The MSM continues to ignore jihad at everyone's peril.
Pelayo-- as a fellow southpaw, I'd be interested to see that site.
As for the left/right deal in Islam, I'm pretty certain Muhammad was obsessive-compulsive (among other things), due to his fixations with cleanliness, with rituals and their proper execution, and with numbers: For example, his saying one must use an odd number of stones to clean up with after using the privy (and not using one's right hand, Allah forbid!).
If it's not unique in having a hangup about lefthandedness (my kindergarten teacher tried like hell to get me to switch), Islam is surely unique in the magnitude to which that hangup is enshrined in law.
This is the kind of micromanagement that Taheri-azar seems to be enthralled with, and which he would impose on the rest of us if he could.
PS-- Speaking of micromanagement, a heartwarming little hadith about eating and drinking while standing up:
I recognize from your list, aside from that errant and pool-foolish Giscard ("Riviere de diamants") d'Estaing, only Johnny and Sylvie from my salad days as a wild apache at the Crazy Horse Saloon. You couldn't avoid them. They were on page 1 of Le Parisien (you don't think I'd read "Le Monde" do you?). They were an item, and kept being an item, every day. God, it never stopped. It was like Pamela and Tommy Lee, or Paris and Paris, but worse. As for living and loving, our celebrities, no matter how cheap, will do that for us. I was surprised to see Johnny had turned himself into an actor, and a good one, at least in the one film I saw with him, L'Homme du Train.. well, don't remember the rest except for the furniture in the house and the provincial town. So whatever happened to Sylvie, and what is she, that all the swains adored her?
Shinoliite: "None of you should drink while standing; and if anyone forgets, he must vomit."
That's gonna cause a real mess at the next office party.
To Shinoliite:
My bad. I forgot to add the link, now I can't find it in history. I need to put a note near my screen. If I find it, I'll post it/
It should be obvious to the posters here, that no amount of evidence will change the opinions of the MSM and their willing exececutioners of truth, on the realities of islam.
Even if this outstanding example was printed accross the front pages of the major newspapers of the western world, in a few weeks all would be back to normal after orgy of self flagellation to ensure ensured things got back to "normal".
The endless production of evidence is unfortunately a waste of time and effort in that it serves only to harden the prejudices and results in more hatred being piled on to America, israel et al who refuse to accept the Orwellian truths to which we are daily subjected.
islamists know full well that every time they attack the west replies through self blame,worthless appeasement, and the airbushing of guilt from the perpetrators.
So until we psychoanalyse and document the roots of the traumatic problems within our own society which cause this continuous denial, we are merely going around in circles.
And that is the subject worth addressing above all.
"A Muslim can be legally "insane" (sort of, but not, because there's no disease of defect of the mind) and yet not be clinically insane."
I think it would be helpful to adopt some new distinctions: we can say that all authentic Muslims are legally and clinically sane, but philosophically insane ("pneumopathological" was the term coined by the great 20th-century philosopher, Eric Voegelin, meaning "having a disease of the spirit"). All those Muslims who are not fully authentic, but who are in various twilight stages of extrication from that totalitarian pneumopathology may be said to be, to one degree or another, on their way to philosophical sanity (with, however, a high and difficult-to-predict recidivism rate a peculiar feature of the Islamic Welt and Weltanschauung).
Tell you who is crazy and no.. not Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, but:
Dubya
Condi
Karen
Mulller
and the list goes on........
Naseem can you help with an answer?
Posted by: Pelayo at May 12, 2006 09:01 PM
Naseem must be busy in the taquiyya-Lab, inventing another cover-up for
"crazy" Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, right before / after the congratulatory letter to Mujahid / Al Shahid Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar is drafter and signed, followed by a proud 'Allah Hu-Akbar'.
Imagine yourself an exile from the Islamic Republic of Iran. Not a Zoroastrian (not many of those left), not a Baha'i, not a Jew, not a Christian Armenian, but a Muslim. You might have been a member, or a child of a member, of the ancien regime. Perhaps such names as "Cyrus" and "Darius" run in your family, names redolent of pre-Islamic Persia. Perhaps your family or you are resolutely secular. Nonetheless, even in the West, you continued to call yourself a "Muslim." You told your children that the kind of Islam that you believe in "has nothing to do with the kind of Islam that is violent, aggressive, and so on." You tell them that you are a "cultural" Muslim. You tell them not to take too seriously a large part of the Qur'an and the Hadith -- to "take the good and leave the bad." You tell them that they can consider themselves, just like you do, "culturally Muslims." That should do, you think to yourself.
Unfortunately, children do wild and crazy things. There is no telling what will happen. Consider the case of Russian Jewish refugees from the Soviet Union, former refuseniks, discovering to their dismay that their own children, raised from an early age, or perhaps even born, in the West, do not share their political views, but rather have been influenced, it seems, by all those Clinton and Dean supporters to be met at the local reform synagogue.
It is the same with Muslim refugees from the too-much-Islam of the Islamic Republic of Iran. They assume that their children will understand, will like them limit their identification with Islam to that "cultural Muslim" business, so that they will remain "Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only" Muslms. But what if they don't? What if something happens to them? What if they begin, slowly, to start "redisovering" Islam in this land where many are so busy with their geneaologies and their investigating their Old-world roots? Perhaps one would feel a certain defensiveness about Islam, and that in turn might lead to a greater identification with it. Reza Taheri-Azar, according to his own letters to Shannon Bowen of the Daily Tar Heel, had parents and siblings who are "American citizens and taxpayers" (as he put it) and who gave little sign, or no sign, of taking the Qur'an to heart, or being the "real Muslim" that Reza Taheri-Azar turned out to be.
Is there a lesson here for "Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only" Muslims living in the West? Yes. Unless you are prepared to make a complete break with Islam, to sever the line, and to raise your children as apostates who are taught to see through the totalitarian belief-system of Islam, and if they are Iranian by descent, taught to view Islam as a poisoned chalice imposed on the superior Persians by the primitive Arabs (which not only accords with the truth, but allows for an "Iranian identity" to be emphasized over the "Islamic one" and gives people, should they wish -- and apparently many wish -- something with which to label themselves.
Explain to them just how, over time, the system of the dhimmi forced so many to convert to Islam, even without the threat of immediate death. Explain all the disablitites. Wonder aloud about the horrific conditions that must have caused your own ancestors -- that is, the ancestors of your children -- to accept Islam, in order to escape the burden of being a non-Muslim in a land ruled by Muslims.
Keep this up. Give them Ibn Warraq's "Why I Am Not a Muslim" and "Leaving Islam." Give them "The Myth of Islamic Tolerance" and "The Legacy of Jihad." Give them Ali Dashti's "23 Days." Give them Mary Boyce's books on the Zoroastrians, and even her studies of the last living remnants of Zoroastrianiam. Give them Firdowsi, Hafiz, Sa'adi, Omar Khayyam, and explain how each was so un-Islamic, and how all of them, but especially the first, managed through their art to protect Persians from the lingustic and cultural imperialism of the Arabs, and explain, and keep explaining, how Islam has bgeen a vehicle of Arab supremacism.
Keep it up, if you never want, at some point in the future, your children, your grandchildren, your great- grandchildren, in a fit of spiritual searching, a fit of depression, a fit of anomie, a fit of anything at all, to suddenly "redisvoer" Islam. Protect your children. Get them out now. Don't rely on their being sophisticated Westernized people when they grow up. Cut that cord with Islam now, for their future sake, when you will no longer be around to direct or instruct them.
Surely the parents of this Taheri-Azar, when they read what we can all read above, will have wished they had done so.
Islam stunts the mental growth. It attracts, in the Western world, the most psychically marginal. Those who are born into it, through no fault of their own, and who can get out of it, should get out of it, and no longer assume that being sophisticated, westernized, essentially non-Muslim Muslims, is enough. Not for your children it isn't. They don't always know how to read those signals. Help them now.
Caroline-- my bad: in case anyone's keeping score. It was from Sahih Muslim.
And since you mentioned office party etiquette, another gem from Sahih Muslim:
Finger-lickin' good: Is that why KFC has so many restaurants in the Mideast?
From a posting above:
"...He's now pleading not guilty. Why are they always so brave when they're committing the crimes and then turn into a wimpy yellow bellied..chicken when it comes time to face the music?"
Seems you still don't understand how these people tick:
He IS NOT guilty. He doesn't feel guilt. He is a mujaheddin and a shahid, a soldier for Allah and martyr material. He did 'the right thing' for Allah, for the ummah and the mad 'prophet'.
Your way of thinking doesn't apply to these zombies. You have to dive into the 7th century to get with it.... can you?
Robert...
I was disappointed to find the links to the PDF's nonfunctional...
are they someplace else?...
these would be highly valuable to "spread around" to associates around the world, as a premier example of the twisted ?thinking?, many muslims are capable of...
Lee / Ohio
henry,
There are plenty of Five Pillar Muslims, for lack of a better term.
I've never been much for book burning, but...
just went to the www.dailytarheel.com website to search for the "dead" links to the SUV assassin's notes...
the links are dead there as well...
apparently they've been removed by university censors...
Lee / Ohio
The Koran excises the feelings of Guilt from jihadists that commit murder.Islam legitimizes. permits and encourages the evil which is latent in all men.
Since guilt lead to shame they feel no shame for their actions either.
That is why there were no sackcloth and ashes after 911.
Westerners feel guilt and shame for their evil deeds because evil is forbidden by Judeo christianity.
Thus the war is very one sided in this respect.
In days of old , crusaders would spend days inside churches before and after battle to absolve themselves of those sins.
No such thing exists today, only the stonings of soldiers by their own side, when civilians are accidently killed, often because terrorists are using them as human shields.
By accepting the worthy principles of "civilised warfare', we unfortuanetely created a rod for the backs of our own soldiers, when we are facing an enemy that has no such reservations and feel no guilt or shame over their actions.
About this left hand/right hand thing. It is strictly a matter of hygiene.
You eat with the right hand and take care of bodily cleanliness with the left. That is why if a Muslim loses a right hand he is ostracised, especially when it comes to communal eating. Dipping into the food with a contaminated is a real no-no.
A little variation on this is to remove the right hand and left foot. Then if you have an inclination to polute the communal bowl, you probably can't get to it anyway.
I like these thoughts of a young mujahed better.
Macavity’s a Mystery Cat: he’s called the Hidden Paw–
For he’s the master criminal who can defy the Law.
He’s the bafflement of Scotland Yard, the Flying Squad’s despair:
For when they reach the scene of crime–Macavity’s not there!
Macavity, Macavity, there’s no on like Macavity,
He’s broken every human law, he breaks the law of gravity.
His powers of levitation would make a fakir stare,
And when you reach the scene of crime–Macavity’s not there!
You may seek him in the basement, you may look up in the air–
But I tell you once and once again, Macavity’s not there!
Macavity’s a ginger cat, he’s very tall and thin;
You would know him if you saw him, for his eyes are sunken in.
His brow is deeply lined with thought, his head is highly domed;
His coat is dusty from neglect, his whiskers are uncombed.
He sways his head from side to side, with movements like a snake;
And when you think he’s half asleep, he’s always wide awake.
Macavity, Macavity, there’s no one like Macavity,
For he’s a fiend in feline shape, a monster of depravity.
You may meet him in a by-street, you may see him in the square–
But when a crime’s discovered, then Macavity’s not there!
He’s outwardly respectable. (They say he cheats at cards.)
And his footprints are not found in any file of Scotland Yard’s.
And when the larder’s looted, or the jewel-case is rifled,
Or when the milk is missing, or another Peke’s been stifled,
Or the greenhouse glass is broken, and the trellis past repair–
Ay, there’s the wonder of the thing! Macavity’s not there!
And when the Foreign Office finds a Treaty’s gone astray,
Or the Admiralty lose some plans and drawings by the way,
There may be a scap of paper in the hall or on the stair–
But it’s useless of investigate–Macavity’s not there!
And when the loss has been disclosed, the Secret Service say:
“It must have been Macavity!”–but he’s a mile away.
You’ll be sure to find him resting, or a-licking of his thumbs,
Or engaged in doing complicated long division sums.
Macavity, Macavity, there’s no one like Macacity,
There never was a Cat of such deceitfulness and suavity.
He always has an alibi, or one or two to spare:
And whatever time the deed took place–MACAVITY WASN’T THERE!
And they say that all the Cats whose wicked deeds are widely known
(I might mention Mungojerrie, I might mention Griddlebone)
Are nothing more than agents for the Cat who all the time
Just controls their operations: the Napoleon of Crime!
We meet them at the by-streets, we meet them on the square.
This guy knows his Quran, all the best parts anyway. After all that reading and studying, he must have an enormous headache. I bet when he wrote those letters that his head was throbbing and the veins were popping out on his forehead.
I dont doubt that he was drooling some. But dont worry, after he kills a few unbelievers, he will feel just fine. Next time he will do better...thats if his migrain does not kill him first...
Re this right hand/ left hand business as descibed by cactus.
It is not exclusively a mohammedan custom by any means.
I did my time in the hippie army in the 70s. ( Her Majesty's 3rd Ganja and Charas Smokers ) . I served in Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand , Burma, India, Nepal & Sri Lanka. The method descibed by cactus is traditional in all these countries and only the first two are Mohammedan .
The method , while seeming crude from the comfort of a western abode, is the only practical alternative in the "field" (as it were .)and is quickly adapted to. As long as there is a source of water to clean your hand after the deed ( which there always is) its no big deal.
People there have enough trouble affording rice and some basic vegetables to go with it. A roll of TP is a luxury item costing an amount that would feed a family for a day. Do you think the average villager calls out to his wife as she goes out "hey honey, dont forget to swing by Safeway and pick up some ultra- soft triple ply in lilac." For a start there aint a Safeway .
Believe me , it aint on the shopping list.
What else are you gonna do ? Go trekking up a mountain in Nepal carrying your own bodyweight in toilet paper? With the inevitable stomach problem you're gonna need that much. Some soap and water and Bob's your Uncle, clean as a whistle.
I'm not being an apologist here. I just think we should stick to the facts that are particular to Mohammedans and not virtually all the third world.
"(Yet in response we will no doubt get another flat statement from Islamic apologists, to the effect that the Qur'an absolutely condemns what he did and yet quoting no Qur'an, or if quoting any then only 5:32.)"
I thought 5:32 was an instruction to the Jews of Israel and not Mo's followers?
"For this cause have we ordained to the children of Isarael that he who slayeth any one....it shall be as though he had slain all mankind"
The implications of this must be faced, and soon, by both non-Muslims and Muslims in America
Indeed. Muslims already are clear on the implications; most of the non-muslims don't have the courage to be.
DEBKAfile Exclusive: Washington does not buy Israel intelligence’s two-year timeline for Iran to produce a nuclear weapon
May 13, 2006, 2:04 PM (GMT+02:00)
Ten days before Ehud Olmert pays his first visit to Washington as Israeli prime minister, US intelligence is digging in its heels on its own timeline, which estimates that Tehran needs at least three to four years in stages to reach the point of being able to produce weapons-grade enriched uranium for a bomb and nuclear-capable ballistic missiles. The view there is that military action need not be considered before then.
This distancing from the Israeli estimate cut the ground in advance from the main theme Olmert proposed to raise in his talks with US leaders.
The message Washington delivered in advance of those talks was that Jerusalem would not be allowed to dictate American moves – diplomatic or military – on the Iranian crisis. The Olmert government would be best advised to line up behind Washington on this issue, as did the Sharon government in 2003 before the US invasion of Iraq.
DEBKAfile’s political circles add: In response to this message, the prime minister held last-minute talks this week with the chief of staff and Mossad and military intelligence heads on ways to rework the Israeli position on the Iran question and bring it closer to the definitions held in Washington.
(i sure hope this is wrong)
IT'S A HATE CRIME! IT'S A HATE CRIME! IT'S A HATE CRIME! IT'S A HATE CRIME!
If North Carolina has a hate crime statute, why the hell don't they use it NOW.
NavAir
just went to the www.dailytarheel.com website to search for the "dead" links to the SUV assassin's notes...
the links are dead there as well...
Try this which has a link to PDF part 1
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:2hFHqaX1fY4J:www.dailytarheel.com/+&hl=en&gl=il&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox
Iran Focus
London, May 13 – Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) had provided the insurgent group al-Qaeda in Iraq heavy weapons including anti-aircraft missiles, it emerged on Friday.
The Iraqi daily az-Zaman which is published in London and Baghdad quoted credible Iraqi sources as revealing that the IRGC had given al-Qaeda in Iraq, Strela-type SAM-7 surface-to-air missiles, modern explosives, and a large number of personnel arms including Kalashnikovs and BKC machineguns.
Al-Qaeda in Iraq is believed to be led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who is on the United States’ wanted list.
The report said that representatives of al-Zarqawi’s group met in Beirut with members of the Iran-backed Lebanese group Hezbollah and through them established channels with Tehran.
Three close aides to al-Zarqawi travelled to Iran via a security checkpoint in the Iraqi border province of al-Amara from where they met with Iranian officials, the report added.
The United States and Iraqi officials have accused Iran’s radical Islamic government of sending agents and arms into Iraq to assist the insurgency.
The IRGC was founded in the early days of the Islamic revolution in 1979 as an armed force loyal to Iran’s clerical rulers. Its commanders directly report to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and their mission is to “protect and propagate” the Islamic revolution.
What's this about the pdf files mysteriously disappearing?
Starting with Dubya, senate/congress should read this:
http://www.republicanandproud.com/warning.htm
Hugh,
The pdf links I provided in the original post still work for me.
Yrs
Robert
Could not help but do my due diligence as follows, suggesting JW readers alert their representatives, accordingly:
Respected President/Commander-in-Chief,
As a concerned / worried citizen, I feel compelled to do my due diligence by drawing your attention to this disturbing 'warning':
http://www.republicanandproud.com/warning.htm
Respectfully,
send that link to everyone you know.
We've seen this before in the case of the jihadi who murdered Theo Van Gogh. Jihadis do not feel any sympathy or pity for their victims or their relatives. How can they as know that allah ordered them to mass murder? I believe psychiatrists define this as command schizophrenia. If this is the case then Jihadis could be suffering from a mental affliction. I'm just guessing here and would like to know more.
Re: " Since I acted only in obedience and reverence of Allah, I could never be sorry for hurting the victims, unless Allah wanted me to be sorry -- which I don't believe is the case, to my knowledge."
Taheri-Azar is clearly brainwashed. I am convinced that he holds the same kind of mindset that motivates religious cult followers to commit mass suicide.
The Koran is FILLED with religious passages that provide the basis for terrorists groups to use suicide and terror tactics to establish a jihad against the infidel.
The Koran has to be challenged or else the rest of the world will face terror for ever.
The characteristics of cult followers and terrorists are strinkingly similar. This is a subject area that is widely under-reported in the media.
Robert: Go to work with this topic. There are incredible comparisons that need to be made with cult followers and terrorists/Muslims.
Here is an interesting link to read about cults and terrorists:
http://www.factnet.org/cults/terrorism/Terrorism.htm
How do we get the word out ? Last week I responded to an AP reporters article in our local newspaper presenting the notion that all Jihadists are different ie., Hamas does not have the same intention as bin Laden etc. In a stern reaction to this lie, I submitted an editorial to the paper showing that indeed all the Jihadists, including the ones in Sudan, have the same intention: subjugation or annihilation of non-believers. I supplied passages from the Koran showing that it was the inspiration for this murderous idealogy and I gave them examples of jihadists includind Taheri-azar and Moussouie who have quoted the Koran as their excuse to murder innocent people. I stated that the Southern Sudanese tribesman did not want to make truce with the Islamic government that was murdering them because some of them were Muslims and knew what the ultimate intent was of these tyrants.
I was careful to try to present facts for my thinking so as not to be branded racist or hateful. One of our representatives, McGovern was arrested outside tyhe Sudanese consulate because he worried for his children and could no longer take what was happening in Sudan. I told him if he cared about his children escaping the grips of Sharia he should also study some of the law cases like al-Arian in Florida and CAIR in order to protect us from the "wolves in sheep clothing" in our own country.
What happened? Zero... No response from the paper... no printing of article...silence....
Hugh said
And as Islam is gaining more notice in the media, not for humanitarian deeds nor some great accomplishment, but for another murder trial, another pizza stand or airplane or apartment complex or school destroyed, or any of the various genocides taking place at this moment, it is not just those with a historic familial link to Islam that may be brought to join "radical" Islam. There are also those who feel a sense of kinship with the "oppressed" of the world (see John Walker Lindh) and those affected by prison da'wa (see Jose Padilla).
Any attempts to minimize the fallout of Islam to certain sects (the ubiquitous Wahhabists and Salafists) or certain ethnicities (Arabs or Southeast Asians) will fail. Of course not all followers of Islam are violent, but there is no way to winnow out the "few radicals" from the "vast majority of moderates". Whatever test is devised will fail, since it can only be taken at a snapshot in time, and feelings and beliefs change over time. The violent exhortations of Allah from the Qur'an are unchanging and unchangeable, they are like a seed sitting in the brain of all Muslims believers, waiting to sprout when the conditions are right. Who can predict which of the seeds will blossom into the full glory of intolerant violent jihad?
Briars said
I wouldn't assume that there was no reaction to your letter. Who knows what chain reaction you may have started in the mind of a reporter, or secretary, or editor. They may have discarded your letter, but a day or two later their curiosity will begin to awaken. With your direct Qur'anic quotations, maybe they would be tempted to seek out a Qur'an for themselves to see if you had manufactured such horrible and violent statements, or if you had somehow "taken it out of context". Yes, there must be some context that explains "kill [the infidels] wherever you find them", they will begin looking for it. And then their jaw will drop, and their face will become ashen. And another person will have awoken.
There are many of us sending letters to newspapers or regional politicians. I wouldn't assume that there has been no effect. The jihadists see this as a thousand year struggle. So should we. If one newspaper doesn't publish one letter, just move on to the next skirmish.
well said.
Is really not sane the way most americans as your people call themselfs,do to the ignorance missinformation,and absence of culture,take this current war,this is the end of america as is,the dolar has not real value to back up any transaction,is an empty currency,if you check even google change the rates to euros,there is not sufficient gold to back up the empty paper that is circulating the world,america has die,in the strugle to gain the control of the world,nothing but a bunch of fanatic loosers,if there is power behind the dolar ,show it and bring back the law that once said,23 grams of gold per each dolar,that you wanted to excange,there you will see, The dolar as the supremacy american freedom they are all BULLSHIT,and the worst is half of the world hate America and theyr people,END THE WAR;END THE OCUPATION;END THE INTERVENTIONISM;END THE HATE POLITICS;right this minute there are a bunch of mexicans getting theyr life togheter to move back to mexico,they are selling theyr homes and properties in america to start back in
Mexico,thank the white stupid american supremacist,agin MEXICO will be the number one.
I lived in nyc,houston,chicago,st loius,I like America but not theyr politics still tiome to Change,USE IT
Is really not sane the way most americans as your people call themselfs,do to the ignorance missinformation,and absence of culture,take this current war,this is the end of america as is,the dolar has not real value to back up any transaction,is an empty currency,if you check even google change the rates to euros,there is not sufficient gold to back up the empty paper that is circulating the world,america has die,in the strugle to gain the control of the world,nothing but a bunch of fanatic loosers,if there is power behind the dolar ,show it and bring back the law that once said,23 grams of gold per each dolar,that you wanted to excange,there you will see, The dolar as the supremacy american freedom they are all BULLSHIT,and the worst is half of the world hate America and theyr people,END THE WAR;END THE OCUPATION;END THE INTERVENTIONISM;END THE HATE POLITICS;right this minute there are a bunch of mexicans getting theyr life togheter to move back to mexico,they are selling theyr homes and properties in america to start back in
Mexico,thank the white stupid american supremacist,agin MEXICO will be the number one.
I lived in nyc,houston,chicago,st loius,I like America but not theyr politics still time to Change,USE IT
and truly,I have nothing against the american people the real blue collar,that every day come out to bring bread to the table,I have two kids in ny,god may help America
I actually went through the exercise of compiling all of these verses together in one post just to see what it all looks like.
Wow.
Here's the link.
Philmon
Sorry. Here's the real link.
philmon