UK poll: Islam poses threat to the West, say 53%

Watch for more calls to combat "Islamophobia," and few or none to call the Islamic community in Britain to account for nurturing British citizens as traitors. "Islam poses a threat to the West, say 53pc in poll," from the Telegraph, with thanks to JE:

The alleged plot to blow up transatlantic airliners and last year's terrorist attacks on London have made more people fear Islam as a religion, not merely its extremist elements, a poll for The Daily Telegraph has found.

A growing number of people fear that the country faces "a Muslim problem" and more than half of the respondents to the YouGov survey said that Islam posed a threat to Western liberal democracy. That compares with less than a third after the September 11 terrorist attacks on America five years ago.

The findings were revealed as Ruth Kelly, the Communities Secretary, conceded that the multi-culturalist approach encouraged by the Left for two decades had probably been a mistake and could have contributed to the alienation that many young Muslims said they felt and experienced.

Well, stop the presses.

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With the terrorists always on the prowl to strike at the non-muslim interests around the world, there are going to be many more incidents such as the recent one involving liquid explosives. At least as far as air travel is concerned, a situation will soon develop wherein non-muslim air passengers will not allow the flight to take off, if there are any Muslims aboard the aircraft, because any Muslim will be increasingly perceived to be a potential terrorist. This will then lead to separate aircrafts for Muslims and the non-muslims, thus ensuring safe flights.

Agreed cincinnatikid, but then muslim only flights would still pause a major threat...a plane full of martyrs? They would need a fighter escort and a remote take off place away from potential targets.
The only way forward is to ship them out of the country. Muslim only ships would not pose such a threat.Don't allow muslims to fly......using our infidel technology against us....no fair.

This survey shows that the west is now starting to wake up to the threat coming from the islamofacists and their muslim supporters.

"...using our infidel technology against us."
--Dhimmiwit

I agree. I've always thought it ironic that these people want to use the fruits of the Scientific Revolution, but still adhere to such a backwards "religion." If they had it their way, we'd all be living in the sand and raising goats. I read somewhere that bin Laden had told one of his wives that she couldn't drink COLD (refrigerated) water, because that was a Western thing...yet he uses a cell phone. Things like that make me laugh.

The percentile ranking should be 100%.

Muslim men treat Muslim women as property not as valued people or equals in life. Muslim women have few if any rights.

I hope I'm not being too much of a Pollyanna to assume that if 53% of Britons have that view, then the percent of Americans who feel similarly is much, much higher.

Britain has been ideologically infiltrated and is being demographically invaded. If we really care about freedom, we can't allow that to happen here.

Hello from Germany!

While I am typing I am listening to a press-conference of AI on behalf of a Murat Kurnatz, a released Gitmo inmate who was held for 4 years without trial. A hair-raising display by useful idiots who accuse the US of the worst atrocities and behavior that would rival the Nazis, a bunch of extreme lefty looney jackasses ranting away and abusing the freedom they only enjoy because of Americas generosity and sacrifice during and after the second world war. This is revolting... I'll see if I can get a link or a transcript later.

Last night I watched a discussion-forum which was much more interesting: It seems that many Germans are taking the threat by the Califascists seriously, the interior-minister of Hesse gave some really cool answers to one of the Mohammedan Taqiyya-masters who participated with the usual whining deflection & counter-accusations 'Islam is a 'RoP' etc,etc...
so there is hope.

According to a recent survey, 86% of Germans see Islam as intolerant and dangerous to democracy! Again it was confirmed that the state and its security apparatus is severely stressed watching the 32.000 known militant "extremists" in the country.

I posted here some time ago that I was personally told by the police-chief of Berlin that he believes the number of "gewaltbereite Islamisten" was more than 70.000 in Berlin alone!

"According to a recent survey, 86% of Germans see Islam as intolerant and dangerous to democracy!"

I'm impressed sheik. 86% is great news- that must comprise of nearly all the indigenous population.
We Brits are only just beginning to see through the thick veil of pc madness.

This is great news. All we need now to push this to the critical point, is a major attack or two, and the political elites will cave. I love the fast jihad. Nothing educates like fast jihad.

When will the world wake up and realize islam is not a RELIGION, but an evil and murderous CULT?

"When will the world wake up and realize islam is not a RELIGION, but an evil and murderous CULT?"

Posted by: freewoman

When its too late and there are no freewomen, freewoman.

freewoman,
When it is too late for a lot of infidels.

Hi there Sheik!
wondering when we were going to hear from you again.Good report!Thought you went to Israel??

Andrew Bolt is doing a great job - have you been checking out his 'blog?
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/

Hope the west soon gets to that critical mass of realising we are in deep trouble.
We need more of these polls!!

That 47% would not see the direct and present threat indicates the fiction inducing power of agitprop.

Congrats to the BBC on their fine showing here.

"... the multi-culturalist approach encouraged by the Left for two decades had probably been a mistake and could have contributed to the alienation ..."

Muslims meet every tactical setback to their grand scheme of world conquest with "even more Islam" and and a quest for an even more pure application of Islamic doctrines.

The multi-culti crowd will behave exactly the same way. Alarmed by reports such as this one, they will feel the need to redouble their efforts with even more multi-culti initiatives, some of them quite oppressive, even draconian, and a quest for an even more pure and widespread application of multi-culti indoctrination in schools, government services, and society at large.

The feedback loop in both these ideologies locks true believers into a blinkered mindset and vectors them inevitably toward societal destruction.

Our most powerful defense against this relentless onslaught against civilization itself is simple truth telling, such as performed daily here at JW/DW. Thank you, Robert, for making this site what it is.

Negotiating with Muslims could go something like this:

One day a hunter saw a bear and was about to fire when the bear held up his paw and said, "After all, Mr. Hunter all you want is a fur coat, and all I want is a full stomach. Can't we use some diplomacy and sit down and negotiate this problem."
So the hunter sat down to negotiate. The bear was right. The hunter got a fur coat and the bear got a full stomach

I have just posted the following comments on the BBC website discussion forum covering this topic but had it rejected as it was in breach of their Code of Conduct.

"This is really just the West waking up to the renewal of a 1400-year threat from the near east. The West was so powerful during the 19th and 20th centuries that we came to believe that everyone was, at heart, just like us…with at least a desire to live in peace and liberal freedom. After a great struggle we separated church and state and learnt to practice our religious beliefs in private and in toleration of others.

Islam does not hold to these beliefs. Orthodox Islam has a self-proclaimed mission to ‘revert’ (everyone is apparently born a Muslim!) the world...with violence and military conquest if necessary. It divides the world into Dar al Harb and Dar al Islam…the house of war as opposed to the house of Islam (submission) with obvious connotations for the West.

Furthermore, Muslims owe their principal loyalty to their faith and their worldwide community to such an extent that the nation state is deemed ‘un-Islamic’. How, with such views about their fellow citizens (guilty unbelievers) and the state they live in (an un-Islamic UK), can Muslims in Britain (as opposed to British Muslims) owe any loyalty to Queen and Country?

What is surprising about this poll is not that people believe Islam is a threat but that it has taken so long to recognize it again."

Offensive or just the simple truth?

Muslims are loyal to no country. They will kill your regardless of where you are they are at. Islam comes first, you do not even rate.

Alarmed Pig Farmer/

I don't know how survey statistics are processed but it unlikely that 47% perceive no threat at all. Some of that 47% may only just be beginning to wake up to the threat that islam poses - so maybe the 53% is just those who are fully awake.

We can but hope that the UK figure will, sooner rather than later, climb to German levels as reported by sheik yer'mami (above).

Dominic.

The Free WOrld is waking up...a bit slowly, but better than sleeping to death.

Of course we must be ever vigiliant, but let us not forget, islam speaks for itself quite well in this regard.

Its only a matter of time before 'extremeist' muslims commit an act or 'the majority of moderate muslims' apathetically dismiss an act of terror which converts the next wave of people to the "I see though the Religion of Peace lies" club.

Peterborough - good on you mate. Al-Beeb is something of a lost cause - lost to heirarchical, top-down dhimmitude.

To make any impact on organisations like the beeb we need to find left-wing forums, and attack their dogmas from the bottom-up.

As another poster notes above - we only deal in truth here at JW/DW. Falsehoods and ignorant opinions rarely go unchallenged.

But in Left-wing / Liberalist forums, much of the discourse is pure fantasy, nazist & fascist opinions, bizarre rumours and outrageous conspiracy theories - often centering around supposed "neocon" and "zionist" cabals - ie. Jewish conspiracy theories and anti-Western rhetoric.

So I'd urge anyone who reads here regulary to also peruse the moonbat forums, and if you've only got time to make one decent post a day, do it there rather than here.

A good example is al-Guardians "Comment is Free" forum. It's truly horrible. 5000 letter limit per post, 30 min timer between posts and chock-full of mini-Hitlers and ignorami. It's repugnant, deeply frustrating, but gives a good measure of the kinds of attitudes we're up against.

To know them is to love them.

Good idea, Domestos re Al-Guardian. I'll check it out.

Peterborough,

There was nothing offensive or untruthful in your comments to the BBC. I would like to think that if you had said, in your last sentence, that "Orthodox Islam is a threat" instead of "Islam is a threat" the comment would have been accepted. But I doubt that very much.

I cannot prove it with lists of names, etc., but I believe that most organizations nowadays, including the BBC, retain Muslims on their administrative staffs. Therefore, I suspect that Muslims are involved in moderating the BBC comments.

This means, of course, that no criticism of Islam will be permitted, since such criticism will inhibit the spread of Islam. Of course, it is the jihadic duty of every Muslim not only to foster the spread of Islam, but to fight those who would resist or otherwise impede it.

The other day, I wrote a letter to my U.S. Senator. In that letter, I described, in a sober style and in factual terms, the real threat and expensive consequences of Islamic infiltration into our society. Among other things, I requested she take action to help stop Muslim immigration into the USA.

After mailing off that letter, I started to worry that probably my Senator has one or more Muslims on her administrative staff. And that probably means that by now my name, address, and phone number are in some Muslim "enemies" database of people to be "hit" or harrassed when the time comes.

After 9/11, there was in the USA a mad rush to "understand" Islam and the Muslims. So all kinds of government and media organizations rushed to hire Muslim "experts." In their ignorance about Islamic ideology, these organizations actually hired professional--that is, religiously driven--deceivers and seditionists. And this dereliction has put us all in peril.

And I doubt my Senator ever saw my letter.

Islam as a threat to the west is undeniable...
except that it is denied time and again by our Dhimmi
Politicians, Politically correct organistations and swathes of wolly thinking journalists and so on.

This is the real threat to the west , our culture and mores....we allow them to harangue and despoil the reputations and credibility of those brave enough to publicly stand up and present the real facts.

Time and again we fail to make them accountable , allowing parades of the most vitriolic types down our high streets. Intimidation is their game and cries of racism and oppression their aim.

Collectively we must speak out and not allow this subjegation of our liberties and rights. If we do not we are as much a threat to the west as this Alien way of life

bigcatgirl -
"This survey shows that the west is now starting to wake up to the threat coming from the islamofacists and their muslim supporters."


The West IS waking up but is still not ready to leave its nice, warm bed.

Standec; Your Senator has offices througout the State, staffed by aides, who (at least in appearance) are eager to sit down for ten minutes with a real-life constituent and will (at least per their word) hand deliver the letter to the Senator.

I tried it with both of mine, and have to say that it was a very positive experience. I received letters back that really look like they were signed by my representatives (unless stamp-pads have gotten much better).

Kudos to our host for his part in the 'Enlightment, Phase 1'.

Have you ever played soccer with a bunch of “real” Muslims in the West? As an observer, it seems like a friendly, clean cut game. It makes you want to join in. When you proceed to join, you encounter indignant insulting screaming responses by most of the players, but a few get you in with a wink to the other players. Standing on the sidelines, I saw the Muslims transform, both team mate and opponent alike, from harmless giddy individuals to belligerent murderous fiends. The game was turned about who can body check and hurt the infidel the most. All the rules of sportsmanship and common courtesy were thrown out the window. The few infidels in the game were playing not soccer, but another game where they had no team mates and where they were the goal; however, due to the infidels’ proximity to the game, they had no idea.

The morale of the story is that Muslims are clan like and gang like with an unwavering objective/impulse to dominate and/or destroy non-Muslims. Islam is not an ordinary gang like we know it, because it is a gang that adopts a foreign culture.

It’s a scary thing, because at any time 10-20 Muslims could have ganged up on an infidel and beat him to death; there were many close calls. Once I left the gathering, I never wanted to experience such alienation in my country ever again. Frankly, the incident still alarms me, because some very ugly seeds have been sown in our countries. Do you want yourself or your children around people who can ignite into a murderous rage at any time? While their counterparts stand around nodding their approval at the atrocity that is happening? Do you want to be policed by other citizens who think they are superior to you because they adopted the belief system of a tyrant? Do you want to be consumed by an alien restrictive culture of desert land/1400 year old pagan land?

Mutliculturism is corruption! Multiculturism is an invitation to be dominated by foreign entities. Western leaders have to recognize that Western countries have their own cultures that need nurturing, and given a place above all others in the respective countries. Furthermore, all inhabitants of Western countries must be made to accept their Western culture, and if they cannot or have a belief system that does not compute (i.e, Islam) they must be kicked out or not accepted in.

Limes,

Thanks for the suggestion. I will give it a shot.


It is safe to say that Islam threatens the western world but is actually far more dangerous than even this.

Islam, if left to its own devices,will almost certainly drive the entire human species into extinction (so vast is its insanity). I think the Bible's Book of Revelations makes it quite clear that Muslims will bring mankind to the precipice of self-destruction and that it would be necessary for the real creator of the Earth (Jehovah and NOT al-lah) to come back and set things right.

Meanwhile Muslims continue playing al-lah's favorite tune: "5 Billion People Screaming While the Earth Goes Dark!"

Peterborough says "This is really just the West waking up to the renewal of a 1400-year threat from the near east. The West was so powerful during the 19th and 20th centuries that we came to believe that everyone was, at heart, just like us…with at least a desire to live in peace and liberal freedom. After a great struggle we separated church and state and learnt to practice our religious beliefs in private and in toleration of others."

Did it get published? I've put up posts that were truthful about Islam on the BBC boards, and never got them published.

I find the 53% to be shockingly low. How could so few Britons feel threatened? Clearly, there is a fear on the part of those responding to articulate their true feelings.

By the way it is 82% in Denmark

After the reconquest of Spain from the Muslims, in 1492, the King and Queen of Spain came to realize that the Muslim population remaining within their country would continue to be a threat. In 1499 they gave the Muslims the choice of leaving Islam and accepting baptism and citizenship in their kingdom, or leaving Spain and being deported to Africa. Many did leave, but large numbers did stay and accepted baptism.

Many historians judge this as forced conversion and the work of the vicious "Spanish Inquisition". However, England and other European countries that have been invaded by millions of Muslims again, might now appreciate the decision made by the monarchs of Spain.

There are undoubtedly many Muslims, particularly women, who would like not to remain Muslim if given the opportunity to leave, and not be faced with persecution and death from their own community.

Perhaps a movement should be started in England and Europe for a "Coming out of Islam Day", providing the opportunity for discrete apostates from Islam to leave. Any harassment or threat from militant Muslims would result in the deportation of those militants.

86% of Germans , 82% in Denmark.
And I thought we were top of the league in Britain with our 53%.....stupid me...stupid us.
Even so, its a fast moving change of opinion- 32% in 2001 (post 911) 46% in 2005, 53 now......no its still too slow and too late.

Or you could say 47% of britons still dont know Islam is a danger to life liberty and happyness read the article in the telegraph here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/25/nislam25.xml

Got an email today from London from a friend who used to work here in Tokyo who was convinced just lat year that I was but a raving nut and bigot for my simple description of the Islam I learned about by self-study after that awful day in New York five years ago, the smoky stench of which I can never forget.

My very liberal friend who once asked me why Iran should not have a bomb (no joke he is a rocket scientist, for real, so it shows you the power and appeal of loony left ideas)signed his e-mail from "Londinistan."

That every culture and religion is not the same is sinking in and that is good news for everyone, even the Muslims living in the West who are by personal nature moderate. They may have the chance to keep their basic rights of freedom of expression and right of assembly; benefits brought to them by some very smart and wise Kaffir.

I am very happy to see the pernicious vestige of racism, that only white people can create complex oppresive systems, is about to die a sad death.

As pressure builds up on Islam and Muslims, I wont be surprised for Muslims to start practising Taqqiyah again, while telling their hotheads to cool it. Muslims are still not sure of their presence in the West, and they dont want any actions by the Infidels that will imperil the ummah in the West.

DP111,

I sense that the Muslims know that the heat is on them and that not even taqqiyah will be sucessful.

When I first understood what Islam was about I was pretty confident that the non-Muslim world could easily defeat it because of the superiority of western communications systems, including, most notably, the internet. I was quite dismayed (and am still somewhat dismayed) to see how Muslims could use our own technology against us, using the internet so skillfully for jihad recruitment and propoganda. (the poster above who pointed out that UBL forbid his wife to use refrigeration while he freely uses every western technology for the purpose of waging war, would seem to represent just how lost in hopeless contradiction the Islamic cause is, rooted as it is in the 7th century). I have been quite dismayed to see this trend (of Muslims so hypocritically using our own technology against us) but then I see this poll and while I know that many are complaining that the number (who think Islam itself poses a threat to the west) ought to be closer to 100%, the number who think so has apparently risen from a mere quarter to a third over a period of several years. And it apparently isn't just that more people are concerned about "terrorism". It's that roughly a third of Brits are concerned about ISLAM itself. Does that progression from a quarter to a third possibly represent an exponential (rather than an incremental) progression? And is it merely the direct threat from the London bombing and the recently thwarted plot which accounts for such a change or is it rather that a whole, whole lot of people have been doing their homework about Islam itself and talking about it with eachother?

Islam has obviously conquered much of the world. But its also the case that during the time frame in which it did so, much of the world was illiterate. The comparative literacy of the modern world, in the face of the current resurgence of Islam, as compared to the relative literacy of the world when Islam last undertook its great expansion, is not an insignificant thing.

We have every right to fear this force, given its bloody past, but at the same time, Muslims (as well as despairing infidels) ought to realize that Muslims are basically confronting a totally different adversary which is largely LITERATE. As Hugh has stated repeatedly, people ARE going to find out about Islam. They already are. It's absolutely inevitable. And when large numbers of people find out about it and grasp what it's about and that it's coming to them, they will be concerned and they will resist.

That's what makes this "great 21st century Islamic jihad" fundamentally different from the long history of jihad conquest that has preceeded it. Back then people were illiterate. How did infidels get the word out and communicate with eachother effectively? How long did it take to do so, using the means of communication they had at the time? But we have the means to do that now, to get the word out to 4/5ths of the human population (who want nothing to do with Islam) in a way that was simply impossible before. I can't help but think that this poll demonstrates that Muslims are not facing quite the same circumstances that characterized their previous successes. They're not facing stupid, largely illiterate people this go round and that's a pretty major difference as far as I can see, the consequences of which I think are reflected in this poll.

I said it before I will say it again. Multiculturalism was "invented" by Jews, and now the child of their creation is biting them in the neck.

Multiculturalism or not.. Islam is not assimilable, you know it, I know it, we all know it, so what is this whining about multicult.., regardless of what the left may or may not do, or what they may or may not say.. Islam will not and cannot assimilate.. and they aren't the only ones either.

A Muslim is forbidden on pain of apostasy to assimilate, there are also other "ethnicities" irrationally full of false pride, or who are controlled by "headmen" like religious leaders, that refuse to assimilate or whose "headmen" fear assimilation because it means loss of power, prestige and financial status and income.

One of the motivations of Abe Foxman (ADL) for instance is to constantly remind Jews that they have to fear the gentile, to keep them from assimilating, and if it weren't for Hitler they would have.

Also the Aztlan and La Raza types, as well as the Imams and CAIR etc, maintain social control, prestige and of course an income stream by reminding the folk that they can't and shouldn't abandon their identity and assimilate.

Human nature makes us want to drive away those who are radically different. We have become civilized and overcome those reactions. It was a survival instinct. Can we survive without it? Until Sept ll 2001 I thought so. Now I wonder.

Who conducts these polls? No one ever calls me to find out what I think -- ever. Is there a "poll" website that you're suppose to go to that I'm unaware of?

Nariz -

You say that "multiculturism was invented by Jews". What proof do you have?

86% of Germans , 82% in Denmark.
And I thought we were top of the league in Britain with our 53%.....stupid me...stupid us.
Even so, its a fast moving change of opinion- 32% in 2001 (post 911) 46% in 2005, 53 now......no its still too slow and too late.

Personally, I think opinion has changed here in Britain at a glacier pace. It certainly isn't fast moving. Countries like Germany and Denmark probably had similar figures to the UK before 911 - and look how far they are in front of us in terms of understanding the menace of Islam. But there will still be far too many ignorant dorks like the one who overheard my conversation and accused me of being a fascist because I dared to mention Islamic intolerance and the 5,000 deadly terror atrocities carried out by Muslims since 911 (it is now almost 5,700). We are paying the penalty for disregarding the words of Winston Churchill and John Quincy Adams, and instead taking too much notice of the know-nothing kumbaya-singing multiculti PC brigade.

And at 53% of Brits who see Islam as a threat to civilization, we are still a considerable way behind the US, where a poll suggested that over 71% of Americans see Islam as a threat to civilization and 83% saw it as intolerant.

Champ

No one ever calls or asks me either, nor any of my friends or family. This is just the view of a tiny minority who were asked, and does not reflect the view of the nation by any means. Probably the 47% who saw no harm in Islam were Muslims!

americaningermany

You just beat me to it!

Caroline you are very mistaken. We were better off 25 years ago than we are today. Back then there were practically no Muslims in Western countries, because, simply, they knew better. They were not as gullible as we are today. Unfortunately, all the events taking place at that time made Westerners take their eyes off the Islam ball. Western leaders started experiencing the feigned kindness of Muslim leaders, and started feeling sorry for poor Muslims in Muslim countries, because they felt it was not fair for such a kind people (assumed by their leaders’ conduct) to live in such poverty. Then Westerners came up with the concept of “giving their pearls to swine,” called multiculturalism, where Westerners would bring the impoverished Muslims into their homes to share their wealth.

The problem was that a gap occurred at that time: one thing was missing so Westerners couldn’t put two and two together. That thing was Lebanon. Between 1974 and 1978, 300000 Christians were systematically massacred in Lebanon by Lebanese Muslims and Muslim invaders from the Nation of Islam. That’s 300000 American-like individuals. No significant attention was paid to it by Western media. The Muslims were having a blast killing Lebanese Christians in every horrifying way imaginable, while Westerners just looked the other way. The only times the conflict was given attention was when the Christians retaliated by killing a few Palestinians; apparently everything else was not Western.

But it was Western! In every possible way! The Muslims were not only killing/wiping out those who share the religion of the West, but they were also destroying the West symbolically and many aspects of the West that were in place in Lebanon: free market, freedom of religion, free speech, Israel support, etc. The West dismissed the holy wars in Lebanon as an aberration, as the fault of the Christian administration, and the result of an uncivilized simple population. Nay! Lebanon has the longest history in the world, and its populace was the most mature well-developed in the world, because Christian families lived in the same places for millenniums and passed down and added to culture and skill from one generation to the next.

I never hear people counter with the example of Lebanon when Muslims justify their violence with the Crusades. If you do, you’ll probably get the argument that Christians were not sharing the countries wealth with the Muslims. Were the Catholic schools, which were the only legitimate schools at that time, teaching Christians and Muslims differently? No! Nothing prevented the Muslims from getting an education, and working to achieve the same wealth as the Christians. But the Muslims didn’t want to work: they wanted the Christians’ wealth immediately because Islam demands it. Furthermore, the Muslims couldn’t tolerate Christians being smarter than them, holding professions, and being more skillful than them. The more the Muslims became educated in Christian schools, the more they started becoming jealous of the Christians and the more outrageous demands they made from the Christians. Another argument you get is that the Christians should have transferred the Lebanese government to the Muslims because they started outnumbering them. Maybe it’s true the Muslims started outnumbering the Maronites, but it’s doubtful if they outnumbered all the Christians. And as we all well know about Islam, which the Lebanese Christians knew and then some, the Christians had many reasons not to relinquish control to the Nazi like Muslims.

Even the 1986-1990 Lebanese civil war, which was mostly the Lebanese against Syria, doesn’t get much attention. The politicians and the media ignored Lebanon’s civil war, in which a million Christians/Westerners were massacred or killed fighting a great evil. As a result, they and the Western population missed a very important lesson on Islam, the Lebanese Lesson, which is why we are in the grave situation we are in today: why millions of the enemy have been allowed to enter our borders.

To your other point, definitely literacy will be a powerful weapon against this tyrannical ideology.

ofcourse,

I ran a couple searches looking for sources on the Lebanese atrocities you mentioned, but couldn't find anything. Probably because I don't know what to look for. Could you perhaps chuck a URL in here somewhere for our edification, please? The Lebanese Lesson can't be learnt from a hidden textbook, after all.

Thanks.

I lost track of the sites I used to know about. Probably many are gone now since Syria left Lebanon, but I found some new ones of lesser detail. It appears I was incorrect about the dates I gave above: attacks against the Lebanese Christian population remained constant between 1975 and 1990. However, you should understand that the following sites mention some of the atrocities against the Christians, not all. At that time Lebanon was not exactly cohesive and the state of chaos the civil war caused worsened its lack of cohesiveness. Therefore, events would take place in individual villages and towns that the Lebanese population at large, and thus, the world, would not have been aware of. I know this for sure because I have been told of mass murders of Lebanese Christians that no one mentions. As a result, you can probably multiply the massacres you read of, in individual villages and towns, by a number of times.

Also note, unless otherwise mentioned, you should assume the villages, towns, areas (i.e, East Beirut), and regions mentioned in webpages as Christian places. Also note, most only mention the massacres by the Palestinians and Syria, but not the countless other Islamic militias and Muslim fanatics.

http://www.cedarland.org/war.html
http://www.free-lebanon.com/News/Archives/MarchArchives/031700_1A/031700_1a.html
http://www.danielpepper.com/blog/?p=16#comment-238
http://www.gotc.org/bayeen_19_11_04.htm

When I reviewed the sites, I found that a million killed is probably an overestimate. I believe it's at least 300,000 Christians killed. Unfortunately, many were killed with no records taken, which makes it difficult to get a good estimate.