Wafa Sultan speaks!

I've just spent the past forty minutes or so watching all four parts. Spectacular.

The lady is an inspiration, awesome. And, true to form, there's an islamic troll on the youtube page where part II is hosted, trying to discredit her in the text comments.

She is a heroine, but does not describe herself as an ex-Muslim. In her interviews on Arabic al-Hayat TV, she speaks of how her Islamic heritage is an integral part of who she is, and she cannot merely deny or abandon that. It reminds me of speaking to students on the streets of Paris who would say, "Je suis catholic, mais je suis athee." (sorry for the spelling - I'm a Catholic, but I'm an atheist). Perhaps there needs to be a new way to characterize people like Wafa: would "liberated Muslim" work?

The only thing with which one might disagree has nothing to do with her perception, and discussion, of Islam, but with her belief, that seems unrealistic, that somehow King Abdullah (of Saudi Arabia) can, if "pressure" from the West is applied with sufficient force, "change Islam."

For how could King Abdullah manage to change the texts of Islam? He could, of course, halt the flow of Saudi money to pay for mosques, madrasas, campaigns of Da'wa and, through support of Muslim groups and institutions, for demographic conquest. Some might conclude that he could, therefore, "change Islam." He can make it less powerful abroad. He can try -- the effort will surely fail -- to create universities that, in tiny ways, will make inroads by ignoring bans heretofore imposed, such as that on clases with both men and women. But "change Islam"? It doesn't seem possible.

Nonetheless, it is clear from the totality of her remarks that she has high hopes not so much for the Arab as for the non-Arab Muslims. She focusses on the fact that many of them are illiterate, and she seems to think that many of them, once they are exposted to the texts of Islam in their own languages, will be horrified and choose to abandon it. That is not at all certain. So deep is the brainwashing, so profound the sense of belonging to "the Muslims," even if certain Believers do not know quite what the texts and tenets of Islam contain, that I would worry, rather, that a great many, discovering the full unpleasantness and menace of Islam for Infidels, will not recoil in horror but, rather, accept the whiole package.

A better way to deal with the non-Arab Muslims is to make them aware not of doctrines that to us are morally unacceptable and dangerous, but aware of all the ways in which Islam has been, is, and always will be a vehicle for Arab supremacism. The Arab mass-murdering of Kurds in Iraq (that elicited not a syllable of protest from "Arab intellectuals" as Kanan Makiya has noted), the oppression of the Berbers in North Africa by the Arabs, who in the past have denied them the right to use the Berber language, to have it taught in schools, and to otherwise preserve Berber culture, is anothre manifestation, easy to grasp, hard to hide, of Arab supremacism that goes far beyond linguistic and cultural imperialism. The third recent example of Arab supremacism has been the mass-murdering in Darfur of fellow, but non-Arab, balck African, Muslims. This is the kind of thing that must be thoroughly understood and assimilated by Infidels, and they should never stop talking, should talk and write incessantly, on this supreme theme: Islam As A Vehicle of Arab Supremacism. Talk and write about it, especially so that non-Arab Muslims will be unable to avoid or evade the evidence, which is considerable, and convincing. One way to cut the menace of Islam down to manageable size (talk of "victory" and "defeat" is malapropos; there is a sitatuion to be managed) is to introduce themes that will inexorably work to diminish the ranks of loyal Muslims. Non-Arab Muslims, that is 80% of the world's Muslims, can be presented with matieral that will make it harder for them to be too enthusiastic about Islam.

I suggest that such a strategy (which I have discussed many times at this site), limiting the continnued appeal of Islam to non-Arab Muslims, rather than putting one's hopes, as Wafa Sultan appears to, on the ability of King Abdullah -- who, in any case, may soon be replaced by an even more dangerous successor -- to change Islam, is more realistic.

But we do not go to Wafa Sultan to find out about geopolitics, and systematic strategies. We go to her for her testimony, from the inside, about growing up, living within, the world of Islam, even in Syria, where the Alawite despotism manages to constrain the most fanatical Muslims, and what her own story tells us about the brainwashing, the craziness, that affects even the most sensible and intelligent people, such as Wafa Sultan herself. The one above is no exception.

May God (the real one, not the monster that is Allah) continue to bless and protect this brave lady. She is a hero of mine. I cannot wait to read her book.

Here is the speech in which Wafa Sultan told off the Islamic world on the Al Jazeera network. The speech that made her famous. You gotta see it to believe it.

l admire this women more than most since she was born a Muslim and left islam when understanding that it is evil.
for the life of me l do not grasp why the left do not see their support for islam is so anti liberal! a real liberal would clearly support the ban on islam since its goals is to take away our freedoms that we cherish in the West.

Women of character I love: Wafa of course and Talisma Nasreen of Bangladesh and Oriana Fallaci of Italy who died at age 77 in September 2006. These gals are my best.

I can't understand why there are still so many women practicing religious superstitions when we read the contempt of women by macho men in most religious books of all religions.

Well maybe one day...

I am truly moved by her courage. May we all pray that God will bless and protect her and her family.

From post above...a real liberal would clearly support the ban on islam since its goals is to take away our freedoms that we cherish in the West.

We have a number of 'real liberals' around here...Most of them live in tents, old cars, and converted school buses out in the woods. I used to bring them firewood in the winter because they are too weak/stoned to cut and split it themselves...It's better that they don't handle a chainsaw anyway... Most all of them grow pot. About once a week they all come to town and have a candlelight protest of some kind on the towns only freeway overpass.
I have spoken to many of them about Islam, and the consensus is that the only thing G Bush was right about is that Islam is the Religion of Peace. Several of them called me a racist for suggesting otherwise, and one guy said I was a bigot.

That's my experience with 'real liberals'...Of course most of 'these' liberals are stoned...Maybe 'real liberals' in a different location may be different...but I doubt it...

Hugh writes that HRH King Abdullah cannot change the original texts. Not exactly. There are at this moment scholars in Turkey, Syria and elsewhere who are quietly excising the most objectionable hadiths. If you have not noticed, many Moslems online are denouncing the Sira, the very oldest of Islamic texts. They are saying that the oldest texts are less reliable than texts published 100 years later. How do they know? Oh, yeah, those highly questionable 'isnad' hearsay chains (similar to the party game where a phrase is passed from person to person in a daisy chain around the room). Got to be authentic! Even though Joseph Schacht proved it wasn't.
I know an Anglo-Irish Moslem who accepted the violent evils committed by Mohammed in the Sira and Hadiths. He replied that he wasn't worried that a prophet was imperfect (barbaric, savage...my words)...as long as he was AUTHENTIC. So how does he know a prophet is authentic? Nor did he find Arab racism a problem (an Arab may not marry a non-Arab). 'Everyone does this sort of thing.' This points to the endless ability of Moslems to accept nonsense, gibberish and question-begging explanations. There is really no proof that Mohammed was a prophet apart from his sayso. That is enough for Moslems. How do you break this circular argument? It does not rely on reason to support it, but endless repetitions five times a day. There needs to be a professional group that studies how to deprogram members of this information-control and mind-control death cult.

a quote from wafa sultan:
Christopher Columbus discovered America in 1492 America was founded in 1776 approximately 300 years later. You cannot blame America – as a constitution, a regime, and state for killing the Indians.

a great heroine indeed!

a quote from wafa sultan:

Christopher Columbus discovered America in 1492 America was founded in 1776 approximately 300 years later. You cannot blame America – as a constitution, a regime, and state for killing the Indians.

a great heroine indeed!