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"This is the first time since the 9/11 attacks that FBI counterterror officials have revealed an al-Qaida presence in North Jersey."
"Kelly: Al-Qaida associates in N.J.," from Record of Bergen County:
Osama bin Laden may be hiding in the impenetrable mountains near the Afghanistan border, but FBI counterterror officials say they have identified several of his associates in a far more accessible spot -- northern New Jersey.
The FBI's elite Joint Terrorism Task Force in Newark says it is not only monitoring a number of North Jersey residents with ties to al-Qaida, but that agents have quietly "disrupted" their activities and even deported a few.
These glimpses into North Jersey's war on terrorism, from a series of interviews with task force leaders, come on the heels of revelations last summer that Bin Laden's terror network had regained strength. But that rebuilding was thought to have taken place overseas.
This is the first time since the 9/11 attacks that FBI counterterror officials have revealed an al-Qaida presence in North Jersey.
"There are definitely facilitators in this state," said Kevin Cruise, the veteran FBI counterterror agent who directs Newark's 100-member terrorism task force of FBI and CIA agents as well as state police and even local beat cops.
One of Cruise's deputies was even more specific.
"There are people in your county who are affiliated with known al-Qaida members overseas," said Jack Jupin, the FBI agent who heads the counterterror squad for Bergen County.
Cruise, who supervised FBI investigations of terrorist bombings of U.S. embassies in East Africa and the USS Cole before taking over the Newark task force, cautioned that his agents have no information about an imminent attack here. But he said several al-Qaida sympathizers would try if given the chance.
Tiny Minority of Extremists Alert:
"There are many people who are like-minded who want to commit acts of terrorism and have just not taken that extra step," said Cruise, who keeps a "wanted" poster of Bin Laden on his office wall.
Sometimes, he said, counterterror agents "disrupt" these North Jersey residents with al-Qaida ties.
Cruise declined to describe any case in detail. But in general, such disruption methods ranged from outright deportations to quiet visits by FBI agents in which suspected terrorists are told their activities are being monitored.
"There are many disruptions that occur that the public does not know about," Cruise said.
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Gosh, I feel so much safer knowing 'we' would all rather die than simply deport these people back to the Dar-al-Islam.
I've heard of the Islamist presence in New Jersey DHS, but never the state itself.
Posted by: Beagle at October 15, 2007 10:54 AMYes. Deport them (without parachutes).
Posted by: Havoc at October 15, 2007 10:54 AMI grew up in Bergen County, NJ. It was mainly an Irish and Italian Catholic neighborhood... if you saw "Cinderella Man" you'd know what I mean.
Friend of mine living north of Allentown, Pennysylvania in a very rural area told me recently that there is a Muslim pocket in her area, where they own a gas station, corner grocery and a small restaurant. She called it "scary". Apparently the restaurant abruptly closed after the Feds came and hauled away some of the Muslims there...
They are infiltrating everywhere.
Posted by: atheling at October 15, 2007 10:55 AMThis is a repeat posting of a message in a late thread yesterday - apologies for duplication:
Just finished watching a new DVD by Joel Gilbert, titled "Farewell Israel - Bush, Iran and the Revolt of Islam". You can order it at http://highway61ent.com/
I think this should be seen by as many infidels as possible, including the pols and students from 6th grade on. It is a cold dose of realism about Islam, Israel, and Western & Israeli ignorance about Islam. Gilbert has compressed 13 centuries into 1 hour and 45 minutes with excellent maps and backgrounding. He makes the Arab definition of 'Peace with Justice" abundantly clear. The Israeli government should require every pol to watch it at least 5 times. America and the Euro pols too.
There is more historic info packed into that DVD than any of our high-schoolers are getting on Islam.
Where it should go is on National TV, and replayed at least 3 or 4 times a week for a year. This will probably never happen with the networks under Saudi-Muslim Brotherhood-CAIR thumb.
Another OT article-
found on http://exileonthewing.wordpress.com
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Caveat Venditor - Let the Seller Beware
Posted by Exile on October 5th, 2007
From the Saudi Gazette:
THE Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice has released the jewelry salesman accused of touching the hand of a seven-year-old-girl while she was trying on a bracelet in the shop he works in, reported Arabic daily newspaper Al-Watan.
Jaber Aseeri, another salesman in the shop, said a client bought a bracelet for his youngest daughter, then asked the accused salesman to help her try it on. While the salesman was assisting the young girl, a commission member passing by the shop, walked in, asked the salesman to produce an ID then took him in.
Aisha Aseeri, a client who witnessed the incident, said she heard the commission member scolding the father for allowing the salesman to touch his daughter.
Aseeri said she did not see anything malicious with the assistance the salesman gave to the young girl, who cried hysterically when the salesman was pulled away by the commission member.
Shaker Al-Osaimi, spokesman for the Commission, cited other cases in the past when much younger girls had been molested.
Al-Osaimi added that parents can help fit bracelets to their children without the assistance of “strangers.”
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Makes you wonder how the country functions.
Posted by: Borg at October 15, 2007 11:01 AMPEOPLE - PLEASE READ THIS VERY IMPORTANT EDITORIAL BY DAVID HOROWITZ CALLED "WHO'S AFRAID OF ISLAMO-FASCISM WEEK?"
PLEASE READ. THANKS --DARCY
http://www.columbiaspectator.com/node/27440#comment-8027
atheling"
"They are infiltrating everywhere."
I concur, but I'm not sure if it's just because I'm more aware and noticing them more now. Just saw a sign in front of a house in a rural area this weekend that is all farms out in the sticks close to where my wife grew it..."come in and meet your muslim neighbors"...uh no thanks. But starting to see real changes now, especially after living in the same basic area for my whole life.
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 15, 2007 11:06 AM...Oh whoops forgot to say, this was in the outter suburbs of Warshington, D.C.
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 15, 2007 11:07 AMStinkyinfidel,
But starting to see real changes now, especially after living in the same basic area for my whole life.
Ditto. It's so bad I can't comment further without giving CAIR coordinates for their death fatwas ("Action Alerts").
Posted by: Beagle at October 15, 2007 11:13 AMwhere's tony soprano when you need him?
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 15, 2007 11:36 AMSo FBI would visit the terrorists to tell them to be nice? How English! Why not doing it the way BATFE handled their clients - with combusting tear gas and bullets?
Posted by: Charles Martel at October 15, 2007 11:43 AMA fighting them over there so we dont have to fight them over here update!
Posted by: GrennBeck at October 15, 2007 11:45 AMMao Tse-Tung famously wrote that "guerillas require the sea of people to exist and will die without it. ..."
Change the word "guerillas" to "terrorists." What is the "sea of people" who make possible the existence of terrorists inside Wester countries, threatening the legal and political institutions and the physical security of Infidels? It is not the Infidels themselves. It is, rather, the "sea" provided by the Muslims in any Infidel nation-state.
In the article above someone whose duty it is to protect us notes that "'there are many people who are like-minded who want to commit acts of terrorism and have just not taken that extra step,' said Cruise, who keeps a "wanted" poster of Bin Laden on his office wall."
But it is not just those who "want to commit acts of terrorism" but don't. It is all those who support them, such as the parents of that boy who runs the Jihad website out of his parents' house in New Jersey. It is those who attempt to confuse Infidels, to persuade them that they have nothing to worry about, that Islam is just fine. It is all those who make demands for prayer rooms in schools or footbaths in airports, and expect non-Muslims to provide them, and who demand this and demand that, or threaten lawsuits here, or there, to silence critics, or who plot for ways to expand their power, the power of organized Islam, for the agenda of Islam. That agenda has nothing to do with schools, or with road-building, or whether post offices should be privatized, or tax policy or anthing but one thing: forcing Infidels to concede more and more to Islam, removing barriers to Islam, beginning with the rights enshrined in the First Amendment, and attempting to render this country less sure of itself in what is, and will be, the most important battle for its continued existence, as something that the Founding Fathers would recognize as the United States of America.
'Charles Martel' has a good point. It quite noticable that the Islamo-terrorists aren't treated the same way as American citizens when suspected of criminal activity.
This story fall under the 'we are doomed' catagory, too.
Posted by: livefreeordie! at October 15, 2007 12:08 PMBut in general, such disruption methods ranged from outright deportations to quiet visits by FBI agents in which suspected terrorists are told their activities are being monitored.
I feel so much safer knowing that the FBI is telling those who are plotting to murder us in cold blood that they are being monitored and, in essence, should be more careful next time.....
Posted by: CrazyFool at October 15, 2007 12:08 PMHere is the site run by a jihadi in NC
http://worldclash.wordpress.com/
Read more at http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/189768.php
PEOPLE - IF YOU CAN, PLEASE COMMENT ON HOROWITZ'S EDITORIAL! (I HAVE) --DARCY
http://www.columbiaspectator.com/node/27440#comment-8065
Posted by: darcy at October 15, 2007 12:22 PMSure hope they could see the green Empire State Building from their hideouts.
Jihadi terrrorists need their morale boosted, too.
Posted by: profitsbeard at October 15, 2007 12:24 PMThere must be a comprehensive western policy paper that deals with islam as the evil it is - so that it is confronted everywhere in the world.
So our reaction is clear everywhere, and is effective everywhere.
Where is the effective antidote which can save our collective butts ?
May it come soon.
Posted by: dgene at October 15, 2007 12:27 PMCharles Martel wrote: "Why not doing it the way BATFE handled their clients - with combusting tear gas and bullets?"
The problem with that approach is that it is only
( politically ) correct for people who are white, Christian, native born or LEGAL immigrants, who may not have committed any actual crimes.
If you take this approach with either illegal, criminal enemy alien invaders from Mexico or ultra violent Mahometan thug cultists then that would prove that you are RACIST!
Duh, ok.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018472.php
I also grew up in Bergen County. The same town had shopping malls and riding stables. It's very different today.
You can't go anywhere without running into women wearing the head scarf. What kind of life will their daughters have in an America that surrenders a little more every day to political correctness and multiculturalism?
Was the blind sheikh ever linked to AQ? After the first WTC attack, he and his mosque set out to bomb the Hudson River tunnels. That entire area is rife with targets. They might not make good television, but a lot of damage can be done by extremists willing to kill others for the sake of killing others.
What the hell's wrong with this government? Why are we spending billions of dollars monitoring potential Islamic terrorists in this country, when the whole problem could be solved by not allowing them to come here in the first Place?
Immigrants looking for a better and freer life have always been welcome into this country. In return for giving them refuge here, we expected them to be loyal citizens who believed in and supported the ideals and principle this country was founded on.
Evidence shows very clearly that Islam is not compatible with those ideals and principles, and when they take the citizenship oath, most don't believe in or support them.
So why are we still importing more and more Muslims into this country?
The very fact that we have to be constantly monitoring their activities, is an admission that Muslims can't be trusted to be good, loyal citizens of the United States.
I doubt that even another 9/11 will break through the thick skulls of the people in Washington. It'll take an uprising by the vast majority of the American public before anything gets done.
Question is, will they do it?
Posted by: rational at October 15, 2007 1:06 PMActually, to those of us who have been paying attention to the news on JW this does NOT come as any great shock as Islamic "extremist" activity is not a novelty in northern New Jersey (and New York City is right next door as well). A family of six Coptic Christians from Egypt had been found beheaded in their home in Jersey City a year or two back.
There is no doubt in my mind, after reading the articles here about the Armonious family's execution, that al-Qaeda operates in the state of New Jersey.
al-Qaeda may now be operating in over 90 nations, incidentally. It can strike anywhere.
Posted by: pythagoras at October 15, 2007 1:22 PMI too am a native of New Jersey and lived in neigborhoods where the religious diversity consisted of: Catholics, Protestans, Jews and a few Orthodox Christians. And now I work in DC and live in the outer suburbs of Virginia. Even before 9/11 one could walk into a Safeway grocery store, turn an aisle and stand face to face with a woman completley covered head to toe in her black abaya or whatever while "escorting" her was a man dressed in khaki pants and a polo shirt - I always shook my head when I came across such a couple: one in the 7th century and the other in 21st...
Yes, we have a US soldier in Afghanistan apologizing and promising to deal with whomever destroyed a Koran (it's only a BOOK) and in the meantime, we keep allowing these Muslims/our enemies into our country, building their mosques, buying our sheep for their barbaric ritual slaughters, trying to silence any critics by screaming racism or some other -ism, pouring billions of dollars into Iraq and Afghanistan along with the billions in aid to the PA and all while we continue to buy $60+ barrel oil. Some "war" except that precious American blood is being spilled for what - eventual conquest by immigration.
Posted by: HOV Dummy at October 15, 2007 1:34 PMDarcy, hello to you.
Horowitz writes: "Is it possible to talk about these terrorist armies without reference to Islam? Hardly."
Spot on, since all this terrorism we see is born of Islam.
The PC crowd gets all excited and nervous (inward cowardice) when one discusses Islam, a subject which is impossible to discuss for more than five minutes without having to discuss it's obvious attributes: fascism, terrorism, intolerance, calls for genocide etc. etc., otherwise no conversation could ever take place in the first place. That's one of Horowitz's main points.
I guess if the Awareness Week was called Islamo-Tea-Party Week, no one would care.
Posted by: sounder at October 15, 2007 1:49 PMWell, our main and only problem is that we are non-violent.
When a British cop says that he will not arrest the Pakistany pimps luring white girls into prostitution and then beating them with metal rods, because he 'did not want to start an ethnic riot' it's entirely our fault.
It is our fault that our government is not afraid of us, but is afraid of the terrorists overseas and their cronies among us.
See, this is the game that is impossible to win because both sides are bound to their law. Our law allows freedom of speech and faith, so the muslim must be given their mosques, madrassas, foot baths and 5 time prayers, while their law says that christians can't open churches in Saudi Arabia. It's the law, and because our society is so bent on the rule of law, the argument ends there!!!
American society was designed on certain principles. Only information available to the founding fathers was used in establishing those principles. Immigration of muslim radicals en mass was not among the facts known to the founding fathers - that is why we are faced with terrorists at home, who go unchecked, unchallenged and emboldened by our own democracy to fight it.
But islam can be fought! As soon as it is considered religion no more, and recognized as a terrorist organization instead, the playing field would level. Think about it and tell your senator and representative.
Posted by: Charles Martel at October 15, 2007 1:53 PMI guess if the Awareness Week was called Islamo-Tea-Party Week, no one would care.
by sounder
It's all in the marketing. Maybe if we called it "Islam is a religion of love" Week, people would be interested enough to tune in and discover all the love and how over a billion loving Muslims brought us 9/11, 3/11, 7/11 and so much more.
Those "few" terrorists came from a billion people practicing a religion of love, didn't they?
Forget peace. That message is worn out. The commercial has been upgraded. From now on, we all speak of love when referring to Islam!
Posted by: PMK at October 15, 2007 2:01 PMThe Poetry of Capitalism - Updated
Posted by: Lumpy at October 15, 2007 2:35 PMProfitsbeard: “Sure hope they could see the green Empire State Building from their hideouts.”
As we approached NYC from the Jersey side, we noticed that appalling sight. It reminds me how after Dec 7, 1941, we started to display “rising suns” and swastikas. … Oh, wait, that was the nightmare I had last night.
Don't forget the dismal reality that "they" are here as welcomed and invited guests of the globalist elites that run the country.
They are here because of the "strategic" deals made by the top; you want a nice naval base here, well then you will have to have 1 million H1B visas from our shithole country.
You want a nice fancy airbase in the desert; you gotta invite another million H1B engineers, doctors, and techies to replace your workforce.
You want intellegence on this? Well, you better have footsie baths in all your airports by midnight tomorrow!
It's all in the art of the deal and our elites aren't the sharpest tools in the shed when it comes to protecting the interests and sovereignty of the nations which they head.
Fact is, they don't give a crap about the nations they head or the people they are supposed to protect.
If they did, they would never agree to what amounts to national suicide pacts like inviting muslims over here en-mass.
Posted by: witness at October 15, 2007 2:46 PMCurious thing though, how were they able to identify the enemy?
Must have been helped by CAIR.
Posted by: witness at October 15, 2007 2:49 PMPythagoras wrote: A family of six Coptic Christians from Egypt had been found beheaded in their home in Jersey City a year or two back.
Anybody here more about this case? Any arrests?
Posted by: sceptico at October 15, 2007 3:00 PMThe FBI says 'there are many people that are LIKE MINDED who want to committ acts of terrorism'.
Does 'LIKE MINDED' mean MUSLIM?
Can't the FBI just report the common denominator?
What religion are the 'LIKE MINDED'?
Posted by: alaskan1000 at October 15, 2007 3:25 PMBetcha it's not just Al Q. And betcha it's happening in other non-Muslim countries besides America.
If there are that many plots - what about everywhere else there's a comparable cover population of Muslims, digging itself in?
Mr Cruise - isn't it time for you - and all the other law enforcement people who are being run off their feet trying to keep up with the proliferation of plots - to start screaming at the politicians?
"Don't import any more!"
"Boot out the ones we've already got!"
This is crazy.
What would have happened if, during WWII, a comparable proliferation of Nazi plots and plotters had been observed in any given location, say, New Jersey, or elsewhere?
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at October 15, 2007 4:00 PMSeriously, would somebody please make a language translator for all the PC bs I read.
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 15, 2007 4:00 PMSeptico try this:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004660.php
This was a family of four.
Posted by: Pelayo at October 15, 2007 4:16 PMPeople - what is AIPIC? That acronym has appeared over on the Horowitz Comments to the Editorial I linked you.
Did you know that there's now an "American Fascism Awareness Day" to take place at the Lincoln Memorial with speakers Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore, Sean Penn? I kid you not.
Posted by: darcy at October 15, 2007 4:47 PMWatch FPM, out here comes Sean Penn to bail them out!11!11
http://www.florida-cracker.org/archives/spenn2.jpg
I am born and raised in bergen co. Lyndhurst to be exact and still reside here in Northern NJ ,watching ,waiting, always waiting.....
But will they ever step out of line in such a way as to allow the silent majority to deal with them in the only way that will work?
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPIC).
Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 15, 2007 5:01 PM"Pythagoras wrote: A family of six Coptic Christians from Egypt had been found beheaded in their home in Jersey City a year or two back."
"Anybody here more about this case? Any arrests?"
sceptico
I remember the story,in the local papers they said it was a robbery gone wrong.I do remember them speculating that it might be religiously motivated, thats all I remember think it was in the NY post.
There has been official silence about the Armanious case. But the case has not been forgotten.
Posted by: Hugh at October 15, 2007 5:08 PMsceptico, here's the last information I have found:
Edward McDonald and Hamilton Sanchez were arrested for the murders. McDonald was an upstairs neighbor of the Armanious family; McDonald and Sanchez were allegedly involved in drug dealing and other crimes; McDonald allegedly had a girlfriend who was the daughter of an alleged local organized crime leader. They allegedly confessed to the murders, saying it was a case of robbery gone awry. During the alleged robbery, they collected all the jewelry in the house, but for some reason decided not to take it. The victims (including the 15 and 8 year old daughters) were tortured before they were killed and their bodies were mutilated. The religious affiliation of McDonald and Sanchez were not published.
As of two years ago, physical evidence in the case was being analyzed by the FBI. As of about one month ago, neither had gone to trial. It is coming up on three years since the murder.
Hugh said
There has been official silence about the Armanious case.
Contacting the courthouse in NJ that is supposedly handling the case did not turn up any reference to the trial of the defendants. Is the trial still scheduled? Are the defendants still in custody? Have any of the unanswered questions been resolved in the past 2.5 years?
Unknown.
Posted by: special_guest at October 15, 2007 5:23 PMOh yes, there was also the case of the anthrax-laced letters that were sent from NJ to members of US Congress and others after 9/11 that caused several deaths. Don't hear much about that investigation either.
Posted by: special_guest at October 15, 2007 5:25 PMtscipio
small world
Lyndhurst High '71 here
contact me at my blog
Posted by: USorThem at October 15, 2007 5:28 PMJust a thought - don't our Astronauts dump every hour over the Mecca from the sky above?
Are they gonne have another riot when they get to know about that? Are they gonne put restrictions on our Astronauts they can only release themselves when they are not over Mecca?
End 'Just a thought'
Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at October 15, 2007 5:29 PMThe thought of radical Muslims (ah hell, any Muslims) in New Jersey, a state I have visited since boyhood, from its terrific ocean beaches to beautiful Hunterdon County, to the mysterious Pine Barrens, feels me with disgust and dread. Everyday I equate Islam in the West more and more with parasitism and pollution of the most vile kind. This story about al-Qaeda in northeastern Jersey is nauseating to read.
Islam is nauseating, both in its radical form and its gutless, clueless, stupid moderate version. What an awful religion. What sensible human being can adhere to it? I respect no Muslim. I can't. I love America and freedom too much. But what the hell are we going to do with all the procreational Mohammedans already here? America and the West are still asleep.
Posted by: Wellington at October 15, 2007 6:05 PMIslam needs to be reclassified as a political ideology so that Muslims can be considered the same way that Communists were during the Cold War: Registered, tracked and where necessary, deported.
Posted by: jewdog at October 15, 2007 6:17 PMFBI Reports al-Qaeda Activity In New Jersey
Most of my business is in North Jersey. I am not surprised. There are many Arabs who are not happy bunnies with this and express anger at the attitude of these people, many of whom are quite wealthy. This Jihad crap has nothing to do with poverty, as JW makes clear in expressing truth on the matter. It is rooted in Islamic supremacism. (And BTW, many Arabs are very racist-particularly with regard to African Americans. Not all are so-but many are racist; they don't practice the deceptive jive that they preach.) I feel sorry for many decent Arabs born into this "religion". If they ever get an alternative they will freely run to safety because they cannot sprout wings and fly from this "religion".
Posted by: Frank at October 15, 2007 6:44 PMHell, if they think that's bad, they should check out san franpsycho & the bay area...it's loaded with sympathizers & facilitators, many of whom, don't even try to hide their position, either!...lol
There is, however, one advantage to not nailing them right away...getting harsh right off only makes them go underground, and much harder to ferret out...
...but this way, they're less likely to go underground, get more brazen, and thus, more visible on the "radar screen" so as to be more easily detectable, and more easily able to detect their chain of command, not just the thugs/soldiers in the street taking commands from higher ups-ya wanna nail the big dogs because of their tightly centralized chain of command-ya don't kill a snake by chopping off its tail.
Yes, risky...yes, downright dangerous...but it makes the job of nabbing them easier than going draconian, at least for the time being...
Posted by: jcom972 at October 15, 2007 6:46 PM(PLEASE POST THIS ANNOUNCEMENT AT OTHER WEBSITES)
The Jihad Awareness Project (to wake up the U.S. Senate and Congress) currently has 107 volunteers in 44 states.
WE ARE STILL SEEKING ADDITIONAL CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS
FROM ALL 50 STATES, ESPECIALLY THE FOLLOWING 6:
Delaware
Mississippi
North Dakota
South Dakota
Vermont
West Virginia
THE PROJECT: We're looking for people in every state of the Union who would be willing to purchase, from Amazon or any other source, a copy of Robert Spencer's new book Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is And Islam Isn't and mail it, on an agreed upon date, to one of the senators in your state. We want to get the book simultaneously to all 100 senators, in order to send a strong message. If we get more than two people per state, books can also be sent to the U.S. House of Representatives.
If you'd like to participate (or you just have questions), please write to me at traehnam@yahoo.com under the subject heading "Senate," and tell me the state your senator represents, and a nickname. No need for your real name. And I will never share your email address with anyone, not even with other volunteers for this project.
And visit jihadawareness.blogspot.com to get more info on this project and to leave comments other volunteers can read. You can also see there the growing list of participants in this project, and the states their senators represent. I've also designed a graphic that might amuse. Scroll down when you get to the site.
Once we have at least two people from every state, we can agree on a mailing date and then each of us can mail a copy of the book on that date.
Right before each of us mails the book, we’ll issue a press release to media outlets in as many states as possible, and in that way announce and explain the mailing. And perhaps we can come up with some other ways of maximizing the effectiveness of this project and gaining as much positive attention as possible.
One of the project's volunteers suggested contacting Rep. Sue Myrick, who started the Anti-Jihad Caucus in Congress. When we reach the goal of having all 100 senators covered, I'll call Rep. Myrick's office and see if she can help. I've called several congressional offices to get advice on how best to proceed.
Posted by: traeh at October 15, 2007 7:05 PMI'll never forget that a Muslim boy in a New Jersey school was telling his classmates the week before 9/11 that 'those towers' (visible from the school) would be coming down.
I read it in the NY TImes and elsewhere.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at October 15, 2007 7:11 PMI'll never forget that a Muslim boy in a New Jersey school was telling his classmates the week before 9/11 that 'those towers' (visible from the school) would be coming down.
I read it in the NY TImes and elsewhere.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at October 15, 2007 7:11 PM"I'll never forget that a Muslim boy in a New Jersey school was telling his classmates the week before 9/11 that 'those towers' (visible from the school) would be coming down."
i also remember a week or so before 9/11. palestinians on the news were shown jubilantly praising the coming terror attack on hte USA. i found it odd at the time and shattering after it happened.
i cannot believe that the CIA, FBI and the US government didnt know that this was gonna happen, when every palestinian knew.
we're doomed!
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=277080979980027
"To their delight, President Bush praised, and even suggested we all worship Allah. "I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian or any other religion, prays to the same God," he said, adding "I believe that Islam is a great religion that preaches peace."
one world government is coming. be prepared for state sponsored arrests and massacres.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 15, 2007 7:16 PMpoetcomic1:
Nor will I forget it...and nor will I forget the fact that I am my family was IN them just 72 hours before,
...nor seeing an old friend, Greg Pettit (NYPD-RIP)and his brother who was an old shipmate of mine, who was a mentor of my youngest son, never dreaming it'd be the last time I'd ever see him again...
...nor will I forget the morning of 9/11 driving home from vacation, wondering what was wrong with the radio (I didn't check the TV before leaving the hotel),
...seeing no vapor trails in the sky save that of military jets,
...seeing a missile site along the highway en route approaching Cheyenne WY (near Warren AFB), with it's DOOR OPEN (indicating the President was IN THE SNAP COUNT (aka, "1 minute to launch"), or on standby for the same), scaring the living shit out of my wife & kids...
...thinking to myself "My God, the SOBs are actually gonna do it), wondering if my kids would even have a future...
...hearing my kids deafening silence all day long, knowing they were in frozen sheer terror, wondering what will happen next,
...nor seeing military convoys with unmistakable nuclear warhead cargo on the highway en route to SLC airport (radio stating not to interfere with them lest we'd be fired on)...
...or seeing B-52s at SLC on standby for takeoff, engines & lights running...
...or seeing the KC-10 tanker above them (from nearby Hill AFB "HL" on their tails, with 2 F-16s fully loaded for bear, ready to fuel them up...
...nor that of hearing my wife, in broken voice, trying to ease the tension by telling me:
"well, so much for retirement", which she was so much looking forward to...
Yeah...I'd say a lot of us won't forget that day as long as we live.
We got knocked down, but by no means OUT...
But we're still here...
;-)
Posted by: jcom972 at October 15, 2007 7:51 PMI voted for Bush...twice...I mean c'mon, look at the alternatives :( Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess.
Now I don't just have the words any more to describe this dolt running our country, I feel as if we're the laughing stock of the world. Change is coming soon, but I just worry that it could get even worse.
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 15, 2007 7:56 PMOh, did I mention the fact that...because of that, trying to get home I covered more mileage that day than I ever did, covering 3 time zomes?
Lincoln Nebraska to Winnemucca Nevada in one day.
1234 miles (about 2,000km) in 17 hours including stopping to grab a quick bite at every fuel stop.
(it's ok, never even saw one cop all day-they probably wouldn't have cared anyway-I just wanted to get home fast)
I don't think I wanna do that again...lol
"..hearing my kids deafening silence all day long, knowing they were in frozen sheer terror, wondering what will happen next,"
and doesnt it piss you off that the SOBs are living amongst us.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 15, 2007 8:02 PMTry living next door to one, though they are moderate, the husband is a complete ass, thinks his &*^% don't stink and complains about everybody else in our neighborhood. He hates all the black people to.
You guessed it, he's from Iran.
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 15, 2007 8:05 PMleon, "you have no idea" (form of speech, as you probably do)
stinky, I used to...and nearly came to blows for a domestic reason (I posted on it some time ago)...
They're bigoted ironies (read that as hypocrites) who've no reason to lecture anyone on anything.
Suffice it to say, I think everyone here probably has an exprience from that day, and afterward, to tell.
Remember, (as per an old joke here):
we haven't played "cowboys & durkas"...yet.
Sounds just like me jcom...I didn't come to blows, as I'm a laid back person really anti confrontational usually, but his kid plays his bass really loud for his video games, I live in a townhome, and needless to say we can here everything as it is...it used to be all day and night. We've only been here a year and since day one everytime we'd ask him nicely to turn it down, he'd immediatly turn it around and say it's not loud and it's ours that is loud, I was like WTF? But after some more arguments the kid has finally stopped turning it up all the time, it's a lot better but still happens from time to time. So annoying. /rant
But this is just stupid stuff in the grand scheme of things.
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 15, 2007 8:21 PMHugh wrote:
"But it is not just those who "want to commit acts of terrorism" but don't. It is all those who support them..."
We of the Enlightened West have rightly been formed, through our religious and secular cultural institutions, to the see the goodness in a person from a vastly different culture and to work optimistically toward a peaceful co-existence with that person in the interest of mutual interest and peace in general. And in most cases that stratagem has worked.
But now we must acknowledge a lack of immunity to the fatal gene of Islam. Our culture, our system of government, our ideals are powerless to accomdate this ideology within out body politic. All people who consciously and with knowledge accept the idea that "I am a Muslim" must share in the outlaw status that the more virulent members demonstrate with each passing day.
All Muslims must bare the responsibility of ALL atrocities committed in the name of Islam. If they do not, they are not Muslim.
They say that the terrorists are not the true Islam. In reality, this means that they themselves are not the true Islam.
Only a sucker does not see Islam for what it is.
Posted by: JohnAdams at October 15, 2007 10:20 PM JohnAdams,
Indeed, it is printed in every country to read, and called the koran.
Ban islam now, or ban it after the "next big one", comming soon.
Over 15 milion readers and counting, as the hits go up, the days of islam in the U.S. grows shorter.
Anybody here more about this case? Any arrests? - Posted by: sceptico
Words will haunt himPosted by: justamomof4 at October 15, 2007 11:42 PM
http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1190355647250320.xml&coll=3
The Jersey Journal - Sep 20 11:40 PMA judge has ruled that a videotaped confession made by one of the two men charged in the murders of a Jersey City family of four who were stabbed to death in their home in 2005 will be admissible in his trial.
On-topic only because things will come to a head when the money runs out:
Bernanke once again pledged to "act as needed" to help financial markets -- which have suffered through several months of turbulence -- function smoothly and to keep the economy and inflation on an even keel.
-15OCT07
Translation: “Don’t worry, we’ll print more money.”
1 oz Gold = $756
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071015/bernanke.html?.v=5
News from Al Andaluz:
30 tried in Spain in court bombing plot
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/10/16/30-tried-in-spain-in-court-bombing-plot/
The Dangerous Denial of Jihad’s Threat
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/10/15/the-dangerous-denial-of-jihads-threat/
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 16, 2007 12:37 AMSomething I would very much like to see, and haven't:
A timeline of mohammedan immigration to the US.
I started noticing a, how shall I say ... hmmm, a superfluity of arab cab drivers in NYC some time in the 90's. I used to joke about it and call it Hussein's revenge. (They were lousy drivers and surprisingly rude into the bargain, and that's rude by NYC cabbie standards!)
But at this point I'd like to see a time-line, when did the wave start to build, who was president at the time, who was running the INS, what policy changes, if any, were instituted at that time, what was the deal and who was getting what for what??????
I have no idea, but I think somebody in DC told the oil sheiks that they could have their own army of mohammedan-Mexicans sending hard-currency help home, in return for some ephemeral benefit or something. And of course the sheiks jumped on the opportunity. I mean, why not relieve the pressure built up by their soulless merciless exploitation of their own people.
I don't know anything for sure, but I know a plausible inference when I see one,
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BTW folks, the mohammedans will start taking us seriously if and when we start living up to our reputations as blood-thirsty imperialists, and not a moment sooner.
They are counting on Christian cultures to keep relexively turning the other cheek every time they get slapped -- and I'm not just referring to facial cheeks!
And so far it has worked just fine for them.
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I've been around northern NJ quite a bit and you have NO idea how bad it is!
There were disgusting 3rd World style mohammedan neighborhoods where normal Americans didn't want to go 10 years ago.
The FBI is just hinting at what they haven't been allowed to acknowledge in public for a decade already. And that's only because nobody can manage to cover up the obvious anymore.
It's WAY worse than you think.
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The thing you have to remember is this:
People who are mercilessly downtrodden in their home countries have 2 choices when they come out into the clean air of freedom,
1) renounce their old ways and relax in the joys that a free country offers, or
2) act out all their pent up rebelliousness in their new surroundings where it won't get them instantly killed.
Their self awareness is very deficient, having grown up in an atmosphere that is very antagonistic toward individualism, so guess which is the likelier scenario!
I promise you, these unconscious bastards will keep coming here and direct toward US all the hostility engendered by and deserved by their brutal rulers back home.
Ever wonder why the sheiks are so supportive of hostility toward tiny Israel? Do yo think it's purely a matter of religious tradition? Do you actually believe that all those pajama clad perverts are committed religious believers?
Let me ask you - Would you want the starving frustrated Arab masses gathered around YOUR multi-million dollar mansion shouting for freedom, money and justice?
Or would you rather blame the nasty rich Joooooz for all the peasant troubles and have them rush off to kill Jooooz?
Well guess who's the Jew now!
Yup! It's you!
And they're counting on historically demonstated European Christian anti-semitism to lull the white folks into a false sense of safety. And it's working fairly well in Europe. The Americans, with their own church and their American sense of benevolence toward humanity are, thank the good lord, proving a harder sell. But in Europe, not such a big problem.
Get the Christians to dump the Jews (again) and you're 9/10th's of the way toward getting them to kill themselves and their own culture. (Think Germany).
The sheiks care for nothing but power, it's all they've ever thought about for their whole lives, and they are not complete idiots.
And if you're in any doubt about the religious affiliation nonsense, think about the Afghan Buddhas and the Thai farmers.
There weren't any Buddhist crusades.
Although thankfully there were some very successful campaigns by the Mongols and Chinese to kick mohammedan butt.
1389! Charles Martel!
Posted by: joeblough at October 16, 2007 1:09 AM"But what the hell are we going to do with all the procreational Mohammedans already here?"
-Wellington
At a base level, shame them when possible. Like lunchtime today when our group made a point of ordering large hot sakes within earshot of two "pure" mussie- mommas at a Sushi restaurant. Didn't know sushi is halal. Learn something new each day. Unless of course,these misunderstanders have "strayed from the path." How does one ritually slaughter raw fish anyway?
So the FBI reports that AQ is in New Jersey. What the hell is the FBI doing about it besides meekly admitting they're here!? FBI must arrest them, kill them, OR suggest to our idiot president that he disband the FBI for incompetence.
I'm at the end of my rope when I read some of this stuff.
Posted by: Bingo at October 16, 2007 3:32 AM"Self-service goat slaughterhouse gains Muslim customers"
http://www.miamicountylife.com/articles/2007/10/13/state_news/2state.txt
The jihad marches on.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at October 16, 2007 5:19 AMA friend lives in West Windsor (formerly known as Cranbury, NJ) Nice neighborhood of mini-mansions, white,..
We met after Septmeber 11 and she relayed that a home where Muslims lives was vacated shortly after. I suggested she call the police and she was appalled. Political corectness can infect even the brightest of people, and she's no dummy. When I pressed her for details later, she said they returned and noticed lots of young men visitng the home on Firday nights (!!). STILL, she wouldn't be a "bigot" and alert the police of their acttivity.
In my area north of Philadelphia, you see more and more headscarves -- at the bank, in the bowling alley, in the Mall...
And now we have a mosque in a former Christian church near Yardley, PA. This area lost a number if people on September 11, including one of the pilots of the hijacked planes.
A Philadelphia Inquirer front page story in the Neighbors section article proclaiming "A Home for Isalm Here," gave me the chills, but of course the left-wing in-the-dark Inquirer believes we should celebrate the "diversity."
Wake up, America!! They're here....
"over 15 million readers and counting" - from islofob, above.
Now, since the USA has about 280 million people, that's roughly 1 in every 30 people. Though, of course, a certain percentage of readers and posters - like myself - come from outside the USA.
People usually have a social network of around 150 friends, relatives and acquaintances that they deal with regularly. If you factor that in, and assume that readers are spreading what they learn, around their particular network, then you've got the USA more than covered.
"Each one teach one". Or more than one.
It's a race against time, but I think there's a chance.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at October 16, 2007 7:23 AMmary- A house in my neighborhood was emptied and for sale the day after 9/11 also. While everyone else was watching the horror unfold on the news, they must have been furiously packing to escape. Knowing it was muslims before the feds announced it. Of course there was no backlash. There is one house on the next street advertising islam classes on the internet. You would never know it to look at it. They are everywhere. Getting into position for conquering like the koran says.
Posted by: Borg at October 16, 2007 9:04 AMjoeblough, the Immigration Act 1965 was the start.
http://www.thenagain.info/WebChron/USA/ImmigrationAct.html
The Kennedy family was instrumental. Gee thanks.
They saw votes.
Wow! Great thread! It was well worth the read. Our forefathers would be rolling in their graves right now. Our great country's first and almost forgotten war was against the muslim Barbary Pirates. We took the fight to them in Tripoli less than one decade after we won independence from Britain. Founding fathers like Jefferson immediately sensed the true evil that is Islam and dealt with these pirates accordingly. Nowadays, the West is almost paralyzed with fear to do anything about the Islamofascism and illegal invasion taking over our country. I'm afraid our best days are now behind us...
Posted by: Tom Cruise = Cult Puppet at October 16, 2007 10:18 PMHe has responded to the NYT article here:
http://worldclash.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/clarifying-issues-in-the-new-york-times-article/#more-34
...and then there's this:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,303159,00.html
...and the PC pahblum actually wonders why????
LOL
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