More heroism from the most heroic woman in Europe (and maybe the world), Ayaan Hirsi Ali. "Dutch women's rights activist says Islam dangerous to women," from AP, with thanks to Nicolei and RB:
STRASBOURG, France - Dutch politician and women's rights activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali on Tuesday said Islam was unfriendly to women and urged Europe not to tolerate religious violence."Muslim religion is many things but it's certainly not friendly to women," she said at the European Parliament, warning the West that it "shouldn't indulge in and buy fallacies from Muslims."
Hirsi Ali said violence is the most important obstacle to liberating women and must be eradicated through policies such as positive discrimination and education campaigns.
She also warned domestic violence is on the rise in Europe and proposed setting up a European court and an attorney general to deal with domestic violence cases.
She suggested women should actively fight for their rights and stop being "their own worst enemies."
"Women conceive and give birth to sons, but they don't commit them to the noble cause of defending gender equality," she told a seminar on combating violence against women. "The problem is the inability of women to draw up a plan on how to help women."
Wow.
What can I say?
If enough women (the 'real' feminists) rise against islamo-injustices against their gender, maybe things will begin to change a tiny bit...
Did someone comment that Hirsi Ali is supposed to be on "60 MINUTES" tonight (sunday) ?
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is obviously a lesbian with a concerted agenda of rebellion against Allah's (swt) law.
Wahabite:
Whatever her sexual orientation, her sex life can never amount to much as she was genitally mutilated at a young age. Go stuff that in your pipe and smoke it, Wahabite!
Allah forsees all and uses his subjects to implement his will in order to prevent deviant behavior.
Hirsi Ali recently remarked that she'd rather be dead than censored regarding the plight of Islamic women. Let us hope more women will stand up to start a global, honest debate on the role of women in Islam. It is badly needed.
Jan--maybe it's time for men to try that too?
She is clothed in dignity and power..
When she opens her mouth it is to speak wisely..
Extol her for the fruit of all her toil
and let her labours bring her honour at the city gate.
Proverbs 31:25
Hirsi Ali to appear on 60 Minutes this evening!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/11/60minutes/main679609.shtml
Be sure to watch it if you are in the US!
Wahabite
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An example of equality under Mohammadanism.
From : http://www.carlisle.army.mil/ssi/pdffiles/00373.pdf
Female suicide bombers are relatively new. Their first known attack came in 1985 when a 16-yearold girl, Khyadali Sana, drove a truck into an Israeli Defense Force convoy and killed two soldiers. Since then, women have driven bomb-laden vehicles, carried bomber "bags," and strapped massive explosives and metal implements on their bodies in Lebanon, Sri Lanka, Chechnya, Israel, and Turkey.
Organizations which routinely use suicide bombers "have utilized the notion of martyrdom and self-sacrifice as a means of last resort against their conventionally more powerful enemies."
Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of Hamas, "categorically renounced the use of women as suicide bombers." In March 2002 after the second Fatah bombing, he reported that "Hamas was far from enthusiastic about the inclusion of women in warfare, for reasons of modesty." That position dramatically shifted on January 14, 2004, when the first Hamas female suicide bomber struck. Why was she used? Yassin defended this change as a "significant evolution in our fight. The male fighters face many obstacles," so women can more easily reach the targets. He concluded his statement by noting that "Women are like the reserve army? when there is a necessity, we use them." Terrorist organizations use women as weapons because they provide:
● Tactical advantage: stealthier attack, element of surprise, hesitancy to search women, female stereotype (e.g., nonviolent).
● Increased number of combatants.
● Increased publicity (greater publicity = larger number of recruits).
● Psychological effect.
In the words of a commander in charge of training future suicide bombers, "The body has become our most potent weapon. When we searched for new ways to resist the security complications facing us, we discovered that our women could be an advantage." One trainer even boastfully described them as the new "Palestinian human precision bomb." Suicide bombers provide the low-cost, low-technology, low-risk weapon that maximizes target destruction and instills fear―women are even more effective with their increased accessibility and media shock value.
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There was no room in Mohammad’s heart for anything but Mohammad. His followers today suffer the same fate and justify it by hiding behind the “holey” Qur’an.
I wonder how they assure these women that allah will let them into paradise, in light of this from mad Mo.
"Indeed the martyr has seven special favours from Allah: all his sins are forgiven at the first spurt of his blood, he sees his place in Paradise as his blood is shed (before his soul leaves the body), he tastes the sweetness of Iman, he is married to 72 of the Beautiful Maidens of Paradise, he is protected from the Punishment of the Grave, he is saved from the Great Terror (on The Day of Judgement), there is placed upon his head a crown of honour a jewel of which is better than the whole world and everything in it and he is granted permission to intercede for 70 members of his household (to bring them into Paradise and save them from the Hell Fire)."
Unless she becomes a him, Allah wont let you in....
OT, but an excellent letter exposing the myths of Islamic "civilization".
http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm
Bismillah ar rahman ar rahim!
Wahabite, how oh Mu'min! do you know that she's..what do you say? lesbian? I would like to learn from you.
Anytime that the MSM presents programming showing how Islamofascists operate this must be commended. It might also increase CBS ratings.
Silly Wahhabit,
Why would Hirsi Ali's sexual orientation matter to anything? Do you hate gay people?
And where is the evidence for this law-giver of yours? No law-giver = no law.
Geoff
As the old saying goes... the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Now is the time for women to school their children in real peace, not the hatred found in islam. Time to end the self-hatred of women by rejecting the quran.
CAIR-Canada is still pushing for Sharia-Law in Canada,aside for the Saudi-Wahhabist puppet
Sheema Knan the proponents I've seen have been Muslim males.
During one TV debate a Muslim male became irate and raised his voice while shaking his finger at the female guest opposed to Shariah,the irony her is that the Female being berated used his tirade
against him by pointing out that "This is how Muslim men treat Females" and do non-Muslims really believe a panel of Male Imam's steeped in Shariah will give Female Muslims the same human rights as Muslim men.
Shemma Khan is pulling a con on the Government
by claiming that because Sharia doesn't work in
Islamic Countries we Muslims shouldn't be punished
by not allowing the "True" form of Shariah in Canada that gives more rights then Canada's
"Charter of Rights".
"Ayaan Hirsi Ali is obviously a lesbian with a concerted agenda of rebellion against Allah's (swt) law.
Posted by: Wahabite"
If so, so what? Not even the sexual remark is on mark, maybe that is why Wahabite refrains from even the smallest remark on the content of the opinions of Hirsi Ali.
From the article,
"Women conceive and give birth to sons, but they don't commit them to the noble cause of defending gender equality..."
If men refuse to grant gender equality and engage in violence towards women, these men are in actuality committing crimes against their own mothers, so to speak.
Every man has a mother and should treat all women just as honorably.
Sunday 60 Minutes is interviewing Hirsi Ali. Wait for the statements from CAIR to follow.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/11/60minutes/main679609.shtml
60 Minutes article:
Slaughter And 'Submission'
March 11, 2005
The images that aired last August in a 12-minute movie on Dutch television were meant to shock its viewers.
In one image, the opening lines of the holy book, the Koran, were written across the naked body of a Muslim woman. Another image showed Koranic verses about female obedience scrawled on the back of a woman beaten by her husband, while a female voice accused Allah of condoning the violence.
The movie, "Submission," was directed by Holland’s most controversial film maker, Theo Van Gogh, a descendant of the painter Vincent Van Gogh, and a national gadfly, who made a career insulting everyone, no matter their faith, race or gender.
“Submission” was right up Van Gogh's alley, but it wasn’t his idea. The movie was written and conceived by a 35-year-old Muslim woman, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a member of the Dutch parliament, and a relentless critic of the way Islam treats women.
"Surely that must have been a gross insult to devout Muslims, to see those pictures," says Safer, of the images that appear in "Submission."
"It depends," says Hirsi Ali. "If you're a Muslim woman and you read the Koran, and you read in there that you should be raped if you say 'no' to your husband, that is offensive. And that is insulting."
Such provocative interpretations of the Koran have made Hirsi Ali a lot of enemies among radical Muslims. She lives in hiding with round-the-clock security. But she gave Correspondent Morley Safer an exclusive interview in a room in the Dutch parliament. In the past, Hirsi Ali has called the prophet Mohammed a "perverted tyrant." She remarks, "he has said a few things that are not compatible with democracy." She has also called a part of the Koran "a license for oppression."
Even before the movie was broadcast, Hirsi Ali worked in parliament under guard. After the broadcast, she received a new wave of death threats, and the government increased her security. There were threats against Van Gogh, too, but he laughed them off. This was Holland, after all, the world’s capital of free speech.
But Van Gogh was murdered as he cycled to work on a bike path in Linnaeus Street in Amsterdam one morning last November. He was shot several times by a bearded young man. As he lay dying, Van Gogh was reported to have begged for mercy, and said, “Can’t we talk about this?” But the man shot him again, slit his throat and stabbed him, pinning a letter to his body.
Holland was in a state of shock. Tens of thousands massed in the center of Amsterdam to mourn Van Gogh’s death, a sense of lost innocence and enormous anger. There were fire-bombings of mosques and Muslim schools, and counterattacks against churches.
Mohammed Bouyeri, 26, was charged with murder. Eleven other Muslim men were arrested and charged with conspiracy to assassinate Hirsi Ali. That letter pinned to Van Gogh’s body was addressed to her. It said that she would be destroyed, along with Holland and the United States.
Did Hirsi Ali think that Van Gogh would become a target?
"Before we talked about making the film I said, 'Do you realize the danger?' " says Hirsi Ali. "But he was adamant about making it. He was adamant about putting his name on the title."
The Dutch government got Hirsi Ali out of the country while the people of Holland grappled with the aftermath of the murder. Almost overnight, the tolerant nation was transformed, and long-simmering resentment against the country’s Muslim minority erupted.
"The death of Theo was actually a kind of a smart bomb. Everybody is threatened when they speak out," says Theodor Holman, a columnist and radio commentator. He was also one of Van Gogh’s closest friends.
Van Gogh's death, Holman says, really shocked the country, "Because the country did love him as well. He had his own television show. He had a radio show. He made movies. So he embodied what you can do in this country and what you can say."
And that means just about anything goes. Coffee shops sell cappuccino, hashish and marijuana, and it’s legal. In storefronts, prostitutes offer anything you fancy, which is also perfectly legal. Gay life and gay marriage are also protected by law.
This was all a reflection of a centuries-old tradition of religious and social tolerance that included, until very recently, a policy of openness to the world. For decades, Dutch immigration laws were the most easygoing on earth. Those laws have become more restrictive in recent years, but in the wake of Van Gogh’s death, there is a call for extreme measures, which were once unthinkable in Holland.
"A poor man's Patriot Act is in the making," says Holman. "A Dutch way of having a Patriot Act."
Holland once had a reputation, historically, of being a welcoming country. Has that changed? "I think that is gone now," says Holman. "I hope it will return. But it has gone now."
It's changed particularly for new Muslim immigrants. Out of a Dutch population of 16 million, there are 1 million Muslims, mostly Moroccans and Turks, who are now Dutch citizens. With high unemployment, and with huge numbers who never learned the language, most Muslims live in a separate world, in barren suburbs known as "dish cities," named for the satellite dishes beaming sometimes inflammatory Arab television into homes, and fostering a militant Islam. The man charged with killing Van Gogh grew up in such a place.
Paul Scheffer, a professor of sociology at the University of Amsterdam, says people of faith of every kind are welcome, so long as they understand that in Dutch democracy, virtually nothing is sacred.
"You can’t live here with a holy book that is above or beyond our democracy. Your holy book will be the object of criticism," says Scheffer. "It will be the object of interpretation, and sometimes of ridicule. And if you can't accept that, you can't live here."
"But it's not so easy, because what you're asking these families to do, when you even suggest that, is give up your tradition," says Safer. "And become one of us."
"They could interest themselves more for this society and the other way around as well," says Scheffer. "No one was interested in their existence. Never a question was asked because nobody was interested in the answer."
Nabil Marmouch, a Muslim community leader, agrees with Scheffer. He says Muslims in Holland have been marginalized and worse. And the movie, “Submission,” is a prime example.
"You cannot emancipate women by insulting them," says Marmouch. "Unless, of course, that is your hidden agenda, to insult them, and to create what has happened here in the Netherlands."
Marmouch, who is starting a Muslim political party, says murder is wrong, but he says he was not surprised by the murder of Van Gogh: "We could expect that from the beginning."
In part, Marmouch's lack of surprise stems from the fact that Van Gogh insulted people from all religious backgrounds. "So that is a good argument," asks Marmouch. "'Oh, we Christians are being insulted, so you Muslims should also be insulted?' No, I don't think so."
Marmouch adds, "The whole thing is being politicized by Ayaan Hirsi Ali."
She is seen as a traitor to Islam, the faith she rejected as a very young woman. Hirsi Ali says her rejection of Islam started at an early age: "From the time I started reading novels of Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys, I wanted to be like Nancy Drew." Her beliefs estranged her from her parents, who remain devout believers.
"They just don't get it, I think," says Hirsi Ali, who says her father thinks she's misguided. "The last time I spoke to my father, he told me that he believes that one day I will return to the faith."
She’s come a long way since she first arrived in Holland as a 22-year-old woman fleeing a marriage her father had arranged, and seeking asylum. Nowadays, she’s a kind of star, and the Dutch take pride in how she rose from menial jobs in factories and hotels to attend university, and finally, to get elected to parliament.
How did she do it? "The American dream," says Hirsi Ali. "I think it's in every individual, if you have the will to improve your life."
She shook up Dutch politics by pointing to the blind spots in this tolerant democracy, like the murder of Muslim women who stray from the faith — so-called honor killings.
"My accusation towards the Dutch society was, 'You think you are tolerant, but if you look behind those curtains in Amsterdam and Rotterdam, there are women who are abused. There are women who are taken to Morocco and Turkey and are killed there. They're murdered. And there are no records of those murders,' " says Hirsi Ali.
"I suppose some people would say we can't impose our alien laws on these new citizens," says Safer.
"That was the definition of tolerance before I came," says Hirsi Ali. "And now we are redefining that by saying, freeing these women, giving them a chance at life is not imposing Dutch will, or let’s say Dutch values, on others. But it's protecting these individuals."
After the murder of Van Gogh, Hirsi Ali stayed in hiding for about three months. In January, she returned to parliament, to a democracy less sure of itself, and a new anxiety in Holland: a feeling that it’s no longer safe to speak out or make art or movies about certain subjects.
Organizers of the Rotterdam Film Festival, for instance, cancelled a showing of “Submission,” saying they feared violence.
But Hirsi Ali refuses to back down. She says she's going to make a sequel to "Submission."
"By not making 'Submission Part II,' I would only be helping terrorists believe that if they use violence, they're rewarded with what they want," says Hirsi Ali.
Will she submit to the threats? "Not me," she says.
Wahabite:
What you are about is hate. Hate for anyone who does not share your religious viewpoint.
Matthew 26:52
The Wahabis destroy everything they touch. For example, from a Western perspective, the Prophet Muhammad's original birth house is well worth preserving simply from the point of view of historical importance. The Saudis plan to tear down what remains of the original house and build a modern library on the site, the King Fahd Library. If they can do that to their own history, imagine what they will do to our art treasures if their followers ever take over in Western countries.
http://www.sunnah.org/arabic/mawldhouse/ShNazim.htm
Excerpt from WSJ article:
http://www.sunnah.org/articles/iconic_clash.htm
The nuttiness of the Saudis is infinite. The regime will have to be destroyed.
how about nominating her for the Nobel Peace Prize - by waking up the non-Muslim West to the very real horror of Islam to all free thinking men and women - give Peace a chance - get rid of Islam!
Islam is dangerous for everybody. You'd think that the entire Western world would have woken up to that fact with this example in Holland. Theo Van Gogh, Geert Wilders, Ayaan Hirsi Ali. But it's like there's this embarrassed silence, with everybody looking away, hoping it will all settle down. How did the 60 Minutes episode go over in the US? Was there outrage the following day? Was it talked about and analyzed by media there? Or is everybody still more fascinated with Michael Jackson? Our 60 Minutes didn't show her interview. I'm hoping it will on some future episode, but given their reputation for anti-Jewish, pro-Muslim bias, I think I will have a long wait. Thanks for the article on that interview, sococm. What a brave woman, but I fear her courage and determination is being ignored, because it is just too awkward for the world to accept.
We all "just don't get it". And you wonder at what point we will. Even if, heaven forbid, Hirsi is killed, I still don't think we'll "get it". Still more excuses will be given - "oh, that's just militant, radical Muslims, not Islam". Look how that Marmouch talks about Van Gogh's murder - "murder is wrong ... BUT". That "BUT" is always there with Muslims. 9/11 was terrible ... BUT. Justifying all manner of atrocities done in the name of their sick cult. BUT, BUT, BUT. And this Marmouch is creating a Muslim political party. Great, that's all the Western world needs. Political power to legalize death, fear and intolerance in our societies. Why don't we "get it"????
Look how that Marmouch talks about Van Gogh's murder - "murder is wrong ... BUT". That "BUT" is always there with Muslims. Posted by feralee
It was a great interview and quite an anomaly for a liberal network like CBS. It surprised me that Hirsi Ali's candor was not edited out because the interviewer, I think it was Ed Bradley, attempted to defend Islam with the usual apologetics but she firmly stood her ground. She is an awesome woman; sincere, articulate, intelligent, and determined. Her courage is amazing.
She unequivocally stated that the mistreatment of women is sanctioned by the Qur'an, and that women were being taken out of Holland to muslim countries and murdered in the name of "honor."
This interview really surprised me. It was a rare example of uncensored reporting on Islam and a severe blow to political correctness and taqiyya. It was just on this evening, so we'll have to wait until tomorrow for C.A.I.R. to accuse CBS of islamophobia, and for the apologists to scream their indignation at Ali's false representation of Islam.
"You can’t live here with a holy book that is above or beyond our democracy. Your holy book will be the object of criticism [...] and sometimes of ridicule. And if you can't accept that, you can't live here."
"But it's not so easy, because what you're asking these families to do, when you even suggest that, is give up your tradition," says Safer. "And become one of us."
To what "tradition" is Morley Safer referring? A tradition of intolerance? And that's exactly the point being made. If you can't give that up, if you want to maintain your tradition of intolerance, you can't live in Holland.
"'Oh, we Christians are being insulted, so you Muslims should also be insulted?' No, I don't think so." [says Marmouch]
But Holland does think so. Clearly Holland is not the country for you, Mr. Marmouch. Please choose another in which you would feel more comfortable.
The 60 Minutes Program was as good as one could have hoped for. Had the issue been given proper attention, and thus 60 minutes rather than about 15, much else could have been discussed -- including Hirsi Ali's own history, and how the head of a major party, Geert Wilders, must now live on Dutch army bases (changing his residence frequently). And there was no mention of Muhammad and Aisha, or the passage about beating your wife, or any attempt by Morley Safter to enlighten viewers as to the Hadith and the Sira -- when some attempt at pedagogy would have been perfectly appropriate and welcome.
But one is grateful nonetheless for that first appearance of Hirsi Ali, who turns out to be piercingly intelligent. And seldom have good looks been put to such important advantage.
Allah forsees all and uses his subjects to implement his will in order to prevent deviant behavior.
So by making her stand, Hirsi Ali is doing Allah's will?
So Allah wants her to defy Islamic law? Allah wants us to criticize Islam?
Perhaps Allah is, in fact, against Islam, considering it an abomination?
This woman proves that the fight against islam is primarily a human rights issue.
we do not wish to live by their barbarian rules.