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The protesters, repeatedly shouting "Allahu akbar," throw traffic cones and sticks at the police and taunt them, calling them cowards and "kuffar" (unbelievers).
The police do nothing, but simply continue to retreat, until 5:50, when they finally start to make a stand -- but only briefly.
Why?
Video courtesy Jihad Watch reader Pastorius.
Posted by Robert at January 12, 2009 12:39 PM
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Like I keep saying, Britain is done.
The terrible thing is that they could still turn and fight, and even win, if they had the stuff.
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at January 12, 2009 12:48 PM
Bring in the military. This is open warfare in the streets.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at January 12, 2009 12:49 PM
Moslems are really emboldened by this.
Would anyone else be allowed to run rough shod over the police like this?
at January 12, 2009 12:53 PM
On D Day over 60 years ago, British, American and Canadian troops stormed the beaches of Normandy under heavy machine gun fire.
Compare and contrast.
Posted by: Celsius at January 12, 2009 12:55 PM
I hope the Brits enjoy their multticultural society.
Posted by: Elric66 at January 12, 2009 1:03 PM
DISCRACEFUL. It's not the fault of the police and it's not happening just in Britain. The police are under orders to cringe and retreat. What a dispicable scene!
Western ruling elites the world over are flushing their countries and people down the toilet to appease and please Leftist ideology and Muslim jihad mobs. A Toxic sludge they make together.
It's Time to FIGHT BACK!!
Posted by: alexon at January 12, 2009 1:03 PM
I believe it was Patton who said "I would rather have a German army infront of me than a French army behaind me".
Posted by: grobari at January 12, 2009 1:06 PM
Wouldn't be a Bobby for quids...
Posted by: eloivsdiablo at January 12, 2009 1:07 PM
Near the end of the video, the loudmouth Muslim marcher is heard to say, "This is F***ing war".....and it should be treated as such. Clearly, Muslims won this one...I believe it is only a matter of time before marchers like these turn violent and attack everything in sight....Muslims will show the world they are a Religion of Peace.....HA!
Posted by: pulsar182 at January 12, 2009 1:07 PM
Thanks for posting this. I recognize this footage as I was in this crowd. The police are backing up because they are 'escorting' this crowd from Trafalgar Square to the Israeli Embassy. Just remember - these are the same people who complained of police 'brutality' because shortly after this clip ends the riot police were called in and pushed part of the crowd back.
Oh and by the way, while the crowd was stopped at Hyde Park police walked up and down the crowd with loudspeakers asking them to "stay calm" that they were securing a route to "escort them to the embassy."
It's interesting how the police went out of their way to accomodate these thugs, only to be shown by the events outside the embassy this Saturday that clearly, appeasement does not work.
at January 12, 2009 1:07 PM
Since when did Sinistar move to London (sorry...obscure 80's video game reference).
at January 12, 2009 1:08 PM
I want to give the London bobbies the benefit of the doubt. Unless I learn otherwise, I will assume the London bobbies were given instrutions/commands/orders by their dhimmi superiors to behave/act like cowards in the face of the muslim assault all under the mistaken and foolish impression that by appearing cowardly now they will serve to defuse further violence later by the muslims. I certainly don't want to think that when applying for a job as a bobbie part of the job requiremnet is that the applicant is already a coward as opposed to being taught how to become a dhimmi coward by their superiors.
Posted by: omvi at January 12, 2009 1:11 PM
Moral judgement aside...
They have every right to protest within the limits of the law. Now, I am not a Brit, but isn't attacking police officers a violation of their laws? Why didn't they arrest these people?
at January 12, 2009 1:17 PM
Listen to the silly cow at about 3:30. She is shouting "we dont want this fight yet".
It is very obvious to me that Muhammadans and their brain dead leftist helpers are itching for a fight.
Where are the Millwall fans when you need them.
Posted by: km at January 12, 2009 1:17 PM
OT: Watching the watchers
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/data/images/File/watchingthewatchers-small.pdf
This is a small tidbit about the pro-palestine NGO. We have to be aware.
Posted by: Infidel#1 at January 12, 2009 1:19 PM
Police running? Now that's a pathetic sight.
Posted by: champ at January 12, 2009 1:21 PM
"Run you fucking cowards"
This is the start of the video. I watched for about a minute and turned it off watching them scuttle away like scared mice.
This is the state of the affairs in the UK. If however you're a law abiding citizen and you've dropped an apple core then the old bill are around you in an instant playing Mr hard man, but when they're up against it they run.
They're supposed to protect the public. What would have happened if a lone Jewish person had shown up, the crowd would have battered him and the police would have still run.
The situation of the police in the UK is this - they are career paramilitary social workers. The police front line is also consisting of women, who in situations like these are useless. But in the law of equality they have to be there, even though they can't do their job. They employ women Muslim officers, who are not allowed to give mouth to mouth or touch men yet they're allowed in?
I'll tell you what would have happened 20+ years ago. There would have been riot police - ALL MEN. They would have charged the crowd with battons as well as horseback. Yes, people would have been hit. Yes skulls would have been cracked and yes there would have been blood. However it would have shown that the Police control the streets and that is the law in the land.
Now it can clearly be seen they have lost control of the streets. Time for martial law.
Had the police done what they had done 20 years ago there would have been:
1. Law suits from all angles - racial groups, liberty groups, lesbian groups, feminist groups etc etc.
2. Police would have been sacked for brutality
3. Police Commissioners would be getting sacked.
4. Animal rights protesters would have been complaining for use of horses.
5. People inside the Police would be suing for racial discrimination and complaining they were told to attack when they disagreed with it.
6. Police would have been killed.
the list goes on.
The police are now powerless. They are prosecuted and scrutinised from every angle and this has happened because of one situation - the murder of Stephen Lawrence and the subsequent MacPherson report. One young black man who was murdered brought about the destruction of the Police Force.
There is also the equality law allowing women to join the front line. This is not sexist just stupid as women are unable to cope in combat situations.
I find this terribly embarrassing, not forgetting depressing.
at January 12, 2009 1:25 PM
After the supremacist threat-"prayer" in Milan, and now the repeated demonstrations of police uselessness in the U.K., I am very afraid for the beautiful cathedrals of Britain.
It is a matter of time until Westminster, St. Paul's, Canterbury, Winchester, and Salisbury are targeted for occupation-demonstrations. We all should remember what happened to the Church of the Nativity.
Symbols matter to Islamists, and the occupation, desecration, and destruction of the cathedrals would be a tremendous coup for them. They now know that no-one will stop them, either, no matter how clearly they threaten, or how violent they become.
Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at January 12, 2009 1:26 PM
Anarchy in the UK. Wow.
Posted by: PRCalDude at January 12, 2009 1:28 PM
Kuffar,
Brits are pussies...
I dare the islamonazis to try this in Denver.
They would end up on a slab. Either the police would take them out or the good citizens would.
Speak for yourself and blame the government and anti racist groups for the state of the Police Force in the UK. You need to do some history. Do a google on the MacPherson report linked to the Stephen Lawrence Murder. One black teenager's death destroyed an entire Police Force.
20 years ago this would have turned into a riot and the police would have battered them into submission. Have a look at the Toxteth riots, Poll tax riots etc etc.
Yes, the public would also have got involved then to support the Police, but now we don't trust the Police, we don't want to support them and we'd also get locked up for assault if we did.
Now that's the difference.
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at January 12, 2009 1:31 PM
Looks like those bobbies have had lots of practice walking backwards.
Cops don't get paid enough to take this kind of abuse. You can be sure they are following orders here.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at January 12, 2009 1:35 PM
It's not the fault of the Bobbies, It's not even the fault of the politicians, It's the fault of the British voters. They don't have to live like this. It's their choice to be willfully ignorant of what they're dealing with.
But, in fairness to the British people, we're on the same self-destructive path. They've just been on it longer.
Don't look for any honest leadership from our new Messiah, Barack Obama. If anything, he'll lead us even deeper into this self-destructive mess.
at January 12, 2009 1:36 PM
These Muslims don't have any respect for the country they live in (Britain).
It was a serious mistake to allow the cult of Islam to inter this country. When will the British Multiculturalists wake up and decide who is really the enemy of British culture? -- It appears they are to cowardly to do so and yet I don't blame the police, I blame the weak politicians who are afriad to face these violence prone people.
With the exception of the 7-7- attack on London we are watching a microcozm of the restraint that Israel has been dealing with for 60 years-- when will Western societies wake up to this scourge? When will they draw a line in the sand and suddenly realize they are slowly being invaded from within?
Posted by: Mackie at January 12, 2009 1:38 PM
Richard the Lionheart
If the Brits let their country fall so low as to allow the thugs to control the streets without even putting up token resistance then the Brits deserve what they get.
I hope someday they find their sack. If the trash charged me like that they would end up with a stick in the face or on the business end of a Glock.
Posted by: Kuffar at January 12, 2009 1:40 PM
If the Brits let their country fall so low as to allow the thugs to control the streets without even putting up token resistance then the Brits deserve what they get.
Same thing's happening here. There's hardly any mettle left in Westerners anywhere.
Posted by: PRCalDude at January 12, 2009 1:42 PM
What Richard the Lionheart mentioned about police being sacked is not very different to what happens to Belgian police officers who try to do their job when it involves arresting slaves of allah.
I once read an article, probably on StopIslamizationOfEurope, about Brussels' no-go areas for "kuffar", and about how a mohammedan had been arrested over 140 times, without ever spending a day in jail, and laughing at everyone's faces whenever he was set free again.
And, having been arrested once (and subsequently set free in no time), such mohammedans often sued the officers that performed their arrest for "racism."
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Here's the link to the aforementioned article:
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http://sioe.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/no-go-zones-in-brussels/
And here's its most depressing and outrageous bit:
"Instead of dealing with these crying abuses and reprimanding the Belgian courts, Belgian politicians react as usual: they criticize press leaks. Whoever dares to denounce the Belgian hush-hush policy has to be punished! In the meantime, Brussels’ officers who want to do their jobs are being constantly intimidated by the police department’s Internal Affaire and Comité P, which investigate every complaint against the officers. They are questioned for hours as if they are the real criminals.
The young immigrant criminals charge the officers with racism almost every time they are arrested. As a consequence, many officers resign, become ill, or suffer from depression. The number of suicides in the Belgian police force is also higher than in neighboring countries.
Being a police officer in Brussels is no longer a dream job. Nowadays, this profession seems more like “survival of the fittest.”"
at January 12, 2009 1:43 PM
It's interesting to see the martials, who i assume are Left Wing Marxists, attempting to control the crowd and it tottering on the brink of riot.
The probably regard that young woman as little better than a whore.
The police were escorting the crowd, and trying to stop a full blown riot, but once things start being thrown the people doing it should be arrested, why weren't they?
Why weren't they filmed and then arrested later.
at January 12, 2009 1:46 PM
Kuffar,
Have a read of my post January 12, 2009 1:25 PM. This will explain why the situation is as it is.
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at January 12, 2009 1:47 PM
"Looks like those bobbies have had lots of practice walking backwards."
Sho 'nuff. A poster above described how this was an escort to the embassy. I can't imagine ANYONE turning their backs to that crowd. You couldn't trust 'em from a stones throw. I would walk backwards too!
But walking backwards makes them little Buddhas. They're saints in my eyes for showing such tolerance, even if they've been ordered to do so. I'd have blown up in those bitches faces and sicced my dog on 'em..
Hey wait a minute.. Snarling barking BIG black dobies, alsatians, that's what the police need! HELLO out there in Londonistan, get your police dogs out there in force!!! That'll keep the islamists in line for their "religion of peace" demonstrations.
at January 12, 2009 1:51 PM
To add to what Lionheart said:
This is why. I have links to the history of how England lost it's right to defend.
Posted by: Toward the Right at January 12, 2009 1:54 PM
The police is setting a very bad example. By not doing anything against those that were throwing things at them they are encouraging those islamic goons even more. In future protests the muslim goons will be so emboldend that they will take things to much higher levels.
If things continue to go like this than a civil war in Europe between the islamics and non-islamics is inevitable
at January 12, 2009 1:54 PM
What a disgrace. If I were a Bobby, I'd resign in protest and/or in shame. The Mo's will only be greatly encouraged by this. The Brits and the Europeans had better start standing up or soon they will be bowing down. That is not alarmist, but sadly true...
Posted by: BunrattyBill at January 12, 2009 1:55 PM
rational,
It's not the fault of the Bobbies, It's not even the fault of the politicians, It's the fault of the British voters. They don't have to live like this. It's their choice to be willfully ignorant of what they're dealing with.
I hate to say it but it is 100% the fault of the Politicians. One duty above all of any government is to make sure we have an effective Police Force. The government has allowed Political correctness and Human rights control what they do, which means literally nothing.
I never voted for Nulabour but many of those who did are now ruing the day.
The problem is this - more and more immigrants are pouring into the UK, taking positions of power in the UK and changing it from within, being protected by Human Right Laws from Brussels.
Another thing you don't realise about the UK is that 80% of all laws are passed in Brussels regarding the UK. Gordon Brown signed the Lisbon Treaty which gave control of Britain to Europe. This is why Britain and Europe are in a mess because each country now does not have control of their borders.
As a Nationalist I vehemently disagree with all of the above. Nationalism is thankfully on the rise again in Europe and no doubt there will be war. It's ironic because the left wing liberals always blame the National Parties for the wars that happen. It's just a pity that these liberal/left wing twits in office realises that the wars happened because of their disastrous policies and governing and the Nationalist parties come in and take care of the mess, before apathy grows again in those countries, the Nationalist parties are voted out, the liberals/left wing in and the cycle starts all over again!
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at January 12, 2009 1:56 PM
I agree with Richard the Lionheart. My Dad was a copper during the 80's and had to police many a riot, especially during the miners strike. The tactics they employed then were highly effective and intentionally brutal. Here's a link to a YouTube vid for those across the pond:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HUapdI7_KCg&feature=related
I was actually embarassed watching this video and yes, if they had have employed tactics of 20 years ago the leftist brigade together with minority groups you've never even heard of would demand inquests left right and centre because a number of them had their feelings hurt.
As for those who think Britain is doomed, we're not quite there yet. You need to understand the British way of doing things is more procrastination rather than motivation. We wont take any action until we're on the brink and then we'll all come together and sort it out. One inherently British trait is to form alliances with foe to defeat a common enemy. Perfect example, look at what the BNP announced this week - support of Israeli action in Gaza. A typically neo-Nazi based party offering support to Israel, a Jewish state. They know that they are on the fringes for their anti-semetic, racist policies but they will put those aside and support the defeat of a common enemy, the Islamists. Kudos to them for that.
Admittedly, if Labour continue to allow immigration to continue at the current rate, we'll be outnumbered by 10-1! No matter though, they'll be out in the next election.
Posted by: Dan at January 12, 2009 2:01 PM
As J said above, the police were not running away fromthe mob, the were supposedly lead/escorting the mob to the Israeli embassy. What is telling in this film is the way the Islamic fascists try to take advantage of the situation to make it look like the police are running away. Basically the police have walk backwards because the Muslims are baiting them, and trying to provoke a responce to then use as an excuse for a riot and to accuse the police or racism or Islamaphobia.
It is shameful that the police are so tolerant of the abuse and indeed the violence they receive (in other circumstances any one of those incidents would have warranted a charge of "attacking a police officer"), but here the powers that be are no doubt trying to avoid a full scale riot kicking off. Also, note that these police officers are not wearing riot gear, but you can be certain that just round every corner there were vans full of officers in full riot armour.
Posted by: Tziona at January 12, 2009 2:01 PM
Did you hear the "racist" comment as soon as the police took a stand? That was it...pretty powerful word even though it's incorrectly used. Yell "racist" and the British police will do nothing. We got it.
Posted by: Silly Allah at January 12, 2009 2:02 PM
Why can't you see this kind of stuff on the BBC and other British web sites? Instead we get a lot of silly stuff about Prince Harry saying "paki".
The British shouldn't allow themselves to look like craven cowards and fools - worse than putting up with a riot, which could be put down fast if they had the nerve to - which I would doubt.
In the mean time the stupid Muslims might be goading the Brits to electing some needed right wing politicians - I would hope.
Posted by: FM at January 12, 2009 2:14 PM
There is also the equality law allowing women to join the front line. This is not sexist just stupid as women are unable to cope in combat situations.
I find this terribly embarrassing, not forgetting depressing.
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at January 12, 2009 1:25 PM
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Richard.. tsk tsk!!! I agree with most of your postings but this got my back up. I am a combat veteran of the US Army and I AM A WOMAN! Women in the Israeli Army (with whom I have done some training with) are some of the fiercest fighters I have seen. Shame on you!!! I have seen men fold up and cry like babies in combat. Easy, pal! But Carry On and have a great Day!
Watching that video concerns me.. as it should many. Law Enforcement are our first line of defense on the streets and these "bobbies" have shown a total lack of organization and crowd control. It is obvious, by no fault of their own, LEOs have their hands TIED by the politicans and the PUBLIC(and that is easy for me to say as I was a cop for many years after I got out of the military)!! It's shameful.
Many of these "marches" are announced way ahead of time in order to maximize as much attendance as possible. As we can see from the on going "marches", it is escalating. Eventually it will come to full blown riots (injury/death to civilians, LEOs and damage to property...remember the riots and burnings in France?) if they don't start to nip in the butt now. IMHO I think that eventually the rights of these troublemakers (and I see these marches as just opportunities for criminals and troublemakers) start to go out the window when the lives of LEOs and civilians and property come into danger.
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Am fear nach gleidh na h-airm san t-sith, cha bhi iad aige 'n am a' chogaidh
"He that keeps not his arms in time of peace will have none in time of war" Old Gaelic
at January 12, 2009 2:22 PM
And yet - we continue to let these thugs into our countries.
The problem is ISLAM, ISLAM, ISLAM!!! And most of the left - and some on the right - had better wake up and understand who the REAL enemy is. We aren't the bad guys and never were.
Posted by: The Cool Ghoul at January 12, 2009 2:24 PM
If you are able to turn C-Span at this moment 2:22PM EST you may find the discussion interesting -- the speaker goes as far as to say that EU Counntiries are actually financing jihadist in their country.
Posted by: Mackie at January 12, 2009 2:24 PM
What a shame, the officers/Bobbies(No ill intentions towards my name of course), should be fired from their Jobs for retreating from an Islamic Mob, that should have been put down a long time ago, otherwise it will further encourage these Islamics to attack not just the British police, but also encourages them to attack any other Non-Islamics(Christians, Jews, Buddhists, etc., etc.), knowing well that they could just chase the police away and continue their Islamic acts of violence.
Posted by: Bobby at January 12, 2009 2:29 PM
Truly disgusting. Can you imagine if you were a regular Brit out for a stroll with your family and came upon this - and seeing the cops completely cowed?
We need to load up the pig sh*t cannon and, more importantly, man up to actually use it.
Posted by: BunrattyBill at January 12, 2009 2:31 PM
It is only a matter of time before this gets real ugly. We have been saying this for years. All I have to say is. Slow to anger, slow to cool, payback will be a bitch.
Posted by: ethoman at January 12, 2009 2:46 PM
"Admittedly, if Labour continue to allow immigration to continue at the current rate, we'll be outnumbered by 10-1! No matter though, they'll be out in the next election." Posted by: Dan [TypeKey Profile Page]
I don't think Labor or the tories have any say in the matter.
We are under EU rules, who are proscribing another 58 million North African immigrants.
And when the Meditteranian Union comes in force, And Turkey joins the EU, it will be open borders.
Eurabia will be complete.
Posted by: pr126 at January 12, 2009 2:55 PM
"Women in the Israeli Army (with whom I have done some training with) are some of the fiercest fighters I have seen."
Love it! Wish I could be among them, but not at my age, nor am I Jewish. Oh well, Go Israel!!!!!
Posted by: champ at January 12, 2009 3:02 PM
"This England, which was wont to conquer others, hath made a shameful conquest of itself."
-- Shakespeare, "Richard II"
Posted by: Papa Whiskey at January 12, 2009 3:04 PM
....guess my Fierce-Finger-Fighting capabilities will have to do from where I sit, LOL!
Posted by: champ at January 12, 2009 3:05 PM
champ wrote;
"....guess my Fierce-Finger-Fighting capabilities will have to do from where I sit, LOL!"
me too champ, but IF I lived in England I would do my utmost to show up at these pro terrorist rallies. AND I AM NOT AFRAID!!!
I love the idea of the big black dogs too. If I lived there I would head to the RSPCA and ask for as many BIG, BLACK dogs as I could handle to "take for walkies". Then walk to the rally ;o)
Posted by: gymgal at January 12, 2009 3:11 PM
What a complete disgrace this video is,,,,
Posted by: Deus_Vult! at January 12, 2009 3:12 PM
Hey, gymgal! No kidding, me too. Reading your comment reminds me of my beloved Rottie and how much I miss her. Rest in peace, sweet girl! She was such a GREAT dog. The only thing about Rottie's is that they are genuinely sweet tempered animals unless trained to attack. The sight of them scares people half to death, as they were during my walks with her. Oh well, I'll settle for watching these slaves-2-allah run for their lives, so lets scare them at will shall we! hehehe.
Posted by: champ at January 12, 2009 3:24 PM
The police are walking backwards because they are escorting the protesters and turning their backs on them would be silly.
I would have thought that was obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 3:25 PM
Why didn't they dish the stick out on this rabble the same way they dished out the stick on the miners 25 years ago? But then again, the miners weren't Muslims. And police forces throughout the West have been soft on those who are hostile to their own countries. We saw those scenes in Fort Lauderdale. We have seen them throughout Europe. Why were miners fair game for a beating 25 years ago, but not these who trash our streets and show contempt for our laws?
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at January 12, 2009 3:29 PM
Interested, glad to see you here again.
The only thing wrong with you point of view is the moslems were taking the police backing up as being "f'n cowards".
I would have loved to have slapped the loudmouthed one with a night stick.
at January 12, 2009 3:31 PM
"Why can't you see this kind of stuff on the BBC and other British web sites? Instead we get a lot of silly stuff about Prince Harry" - FM
I guess that you really know the answer to your question; Harry is on the line as a red herring so that these fanatics do not hit the headlines.
Obviously, he should not have said it,nor been recorded saying it,nor should it have been directed at a Muslim who has chosen to serve in
the British Army.
On the other hand. media people and other PC moralists who are not, and never have been soldiers, should pause to consider that not only is he personally a bit of a tearaway but also a professional soldier who has seen combat in Afghanistan, which may well have included action against British Muslims fighting for the Taliban.
Personally, for the little it is worth, he has my respect and my sympathy.
As for the police, the UK has a Labour government, and Labour is The Party of Islam, so this we have to expect these problems on our streets, but I would really like to know what Boris Johnson, London's Conservative Mayor
is going to do about it.
at January 12, 2009 3:33 PM
Interested:
I suspected you would show up -- I know, posting this video is more evidence of my appalling hatred of England. Whatever. (In fact, the people in the vid are all paid actors I hired in order to express my irrational Anglophobia.)
Anyway, I am well aware that the police in the video are escorting the protesters, but that doesn't explain why they do turn their backs on them in many instances, and why they do absolutely nothing when the protesters they are supposed to be escorting attack them. No doubt they were, as some have pointed out here, following orders from higher up, but I suppose that to point that out would be Anglophobic as well.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at January 12, 2009 3:35 PM
The only thing wrong with you point of view is the moslems were taking the police backing up as being "f'n cowards".
A view that Robert and others here have endorsed, apparently unable to see the difference between calm, orderly procedures and running away terrified.
I note that there is nothing here about the pro-Israel rally. But then that doesn't really fit in with the "Britain is doomed and aren't we so much better than them" mantra.
at January 12, 2009 3:37 PM
Marwan's Daughter, there is no comparing this to the Milan Cathedral thing. Half of these people were citizens, as opposed to maybe 20 of the Milan Cathedral people. Britain imports these monsters. This won't happen in Italy. If there is a riot - and that's what this is - the Italians will, mark my word, start having mass deportations and the muzzies know it. Only 10,000 Muslims are Italian citizens, most of them clearly reverts. While the Milan Cathedral thing was incredibly offensive and ridiculously distasteful, it was nonetheless a peacful protest and fully within the bounds of the law (for now, but not once la Lega Nord gets everything it wants, which it will).
Mere insubordination toward a police officer is grounds for arrest. The National Guard should have been called out and these thugs should have been isolated and arrested, every one of them. They were all encroaching upon the cops and every one of them was complicit in the non-prevention of crimes such as insubordination toward police, violence toward police, incitement to violence, and hate speech. Anyone who even screams "kuffar" in public should be arrested and their entire family deported.
Kuffar, this would have gone down exactly the same way in Denver, or Toronto or LA, or any other leftist paradise. Remember the RNC 4 months ago? Leftist thugs running amok in small numbers, smashing windows and rioting? Honestly, when I saw Boulder burning last week I thought, "and it couldn't have happened to a nicer group of Nazis." By the way, this was not intended to be personal. If I saw my town of Bloomington burning I would think the same thing.
RtL, give my 105-lb., female ass a firehose and I would happily put all of those barbarians in their place. And the National Guard, who should have been called out to arrest all those thugs, has nearly as many women as it does men.
Bobby, those cops should not be fired. The politicans who put them out there so naked, no grossly outnumbered, with nothing but riot clubs are the ones who should be fired. The bobbies had no choice in that situation. There should have been dogs, firehoses, teargas, and the National Guard surrounding the mob and arresting it en masse.
What would have happened if a lone Jewish person had shown up, the crowd would have battered him and the police would have still run.
The same thing that has already happened to the entire European Jewish community. He would have been thrown to the wolves because politicans had a choice to make: Jewish life or Jewish genocide, and they chose the latter, as does anyone who sides with or even tolerates Islam.
Typepad is being wiggy again.
Posted by: jdamn at January 12, 2009 3:43 PM
but that doesn't explain why they do turn their backs on them in many instances,
Er... perhaps to see where they were going.
and why they do absolutely nothing when the protesters they are supposed to be escorting attack them
We don't know what happened after this footage was shot, whether any arrests were made then will be later or anybody cautioned or what the bigger picture was like.
But please continue to damn sixty million people on the basis of a short amateur video. I will not, however, damn three hundred million people because of the "big enough oven" comment at the Fort Lauderdale demo.
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 3:46 PM
jdamn, can't wait to read what you unleash on Interested. This should be fantastic. Go girl!
Posted by: champ at January 12, 2009 3:47 PM
Interested:
But please continue to damn sixty million people on the basis of a short amateur video.
When you make outrageous false statements like that, it just makes you look silly.
You might try to substantiate your claim that I have "damn[ed] sixty million people on the basis of a short amateur video."
Or, alternatively, you might try gaining some basic decency, courtesy, and common sense.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at January 12, 2009 3:50 PM
Oi Richard, don't get cheeky on us. I'm a woman and all I need in the event of a big clash is a firearm. Unfortunately, we have no right to bear arms, so mostly we're all screwed.
Dan, I'm not sure Israel would appreciate alliances of convenience, but I've perused around the site on the comments sections and support for Israel is pretty high. What their actual policy would be regarding it is another matter, but for people like me it's very simple - I don't support jihadists, therefore I'm not a far-left nutcase, and since most UK parties are far left nutcase parties people who like Israel are actually reading the BNP's website. You should check out their comments sections, although that doesn't mean I don't doubt their sincerity at times.
The far left is now the far right in the UK. It's all been turned on its head. They're just not as in-your-face as the far right used to be, but they're getting there. My own position is centre right and I have always supported and admired Israel and the Jewish people. They work damn hard, they're smart, they're an asset to every country they're in. Reading about the LeftistIslamist violence against Jews here in this country enrages me to no end. I'll not support anyone or anything that does not speak up for the Jewish people. They've done 100 times more for this world than Muslims whose population is a hundred times larger.
Hey, while I'm on the subject, I sent the IDF some pizza: http://pizzaidf.org/ . Just to let them know us Brits who still know who's on the side of civilization support them. Send 'em pizza, make their day. :)
Incidentally, if you treat a Police officer like that whose job it is to protect you while you protest and enforce order, they should have every right to kick your ass.
Posted by: Infidelicious at January 12, 2009 3:50 PM
at January 12, 2009 3:53 PM
Interested,
60 million of whom? The British population?
I'm British, and their behaviour appalls me. They damn themselves; they don't need any help from the rest of us. They don't represent us, full stop.
Mwah@Robert, denizen of SnappyComebackistan.
Posted by: Infidelicious at January 12, 2009 3:54 PM
Infidelicious, I love the way you combine fighting jihad with food. It's awesome. I also like your blog. For those who haven't check it out, that's kind of her thing. As an Italian, a Jew, and anti-jihadist, I am in love with the idea of pizza for the IDF. Not as nice as nice as MOABs or help in defeating Iran, but still nice.
Posted by: jdamn at January 12, 2009 4:01 PM
Jdamn. :)
I don't have a blog. The PizzaIDF site is not run by me, they just asked me to get the word out. They bake pizza in Sderot and send it out to the soldiers. You can see photos on the site of them all munching happily on pizza people have donated to them.
Come to think of it, I'd really like some pizza right now... :)
Posted by: Infidelicious at January 12, 2009 4:05 PM
Infidelicious: Mwah right back, from here in SnappyComebackistan. This "Interested," Mary Jackson, has decided that my posting about British dhimmitude means I hate England, in a way that my posting about American dhimmitude doesn't mean that I hate America.
It is nuts, and patently so, but it is a weakness of mine that I don't like to let such calumnies, however irrational, go unanswered.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at January 12, 2009 4:07 PM
None of us knows what preceded this footage, what came after, how many police were there and how they were distributed, how long the procession of demonstrators was. Perhaps it was sensible to deal with the more aggressive protesters when the crowd had spread out to a wider area, or reached its destination. Perhaps that's what they did.
Our police are trained to keep things calm. They could go in in riot gear, but that might not help. They may have to call for back up in some circumstances, in which case, being heavily outnumbered, they would be ill advised to start anything until such back up arrives.
The thing doesn't look all that violent to me, and the police don't look scared at all.
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 4:08 PM
Jihad Watch reader John, a veteran of twenty years of police work in Colorado, sends me this, and has allowed me to post it here:
I've watched the fleeing Metro Police and the flying missiles, sticks, traffic cones and whatever else was thrown at the police; and I've listened to the mob chanting "Free, free Palestine" and calling the turn-tail police "cowards".Posted by: jihadwatchA couple or three thoughts came to mind:
1) Where were the exploding tear gas canisters the police have in their arsenal?
2) Where were the riot shotgun teargas grenade launchers?
3) Where were the police attack K-9s and handlers?
4) Where were the water cannons?
5) Where were the riot shotguns that fire non-lethal, but very painful bean bags?
6) Where were the riot shotguns that fire non-lethal but very painful rubber balls?
7) Where was the plan to advance on and disperse this mob?
8) How far did the police have to run to get away?
9) Why has the police commissioner not resigned?
10) Why has the police commissioner not been fired?
11) Why has the mayor of London not resigned?
12) Why is London not now under martial law?
This all looks very much like a complete capitulation, as in surrender, to the Muslim hordes and it is nothing less than sickening.
at January 12, 2009 4:10 PM
OK Britons,
We Americans are not the only ones with a history of revolution. :)
Sometimes a little revolution goes a long way - follow the peasants' example!
Take back your basic human right to defend yourself and get rid of the House of Lords! Is it too late?
Posted by: Toward the Right at January 12, 2009 4:12 PM
And they want to take away our 2nd Ammendment Rights here in the U.S. because the police and goverment will protect us and we citizens don't need 'that old outdated 2nd Ammendment'.
It appears that the police need protection.
When are we going to see British citizens meeting these masses in the street?
Posted by: alaskan1000 at January 12, 2009 4:19 PM
Worrisome video. My thoughts:
* The Bobbies are substantially outnumbered.
* The Bobbies are unarmed, but for nightsticks.
* The Bobbies executed a well-disciplined retreat.
* This incident is a leadership failure. (Bobbies should be well-armed and there should be more of them - only leadership can address these issues. The Bobbies, themselves, are blameless.)
* The British and European people should be prepared to defend themselves. Thus far, the ruling elites are not prepared to act effectively on their behalf.
* The West needs to end muslim immigration and begin the deportations. Sooner, rather than later.
at January 12, 2009 4:21 PM
And they want to take away our 2nd Ammendment Rights here in the U.S. because the police and goverment will protect us and we citizens don't need 'that old outdated 2nd Ammendment'.
It appears that the police need protection.
When are we going to see British citizens meeting these masses in the street?
Posted by: alaskan1000 at January 12, 2009 4:22 PM
Interested,
Let me put it in context for you. 20 years ago, if you treated the Police like that, you'd be running in the other direction.
Throwing missiles at the Police constitutes assaulting a police officer, to the best of my knowledge. You see at one point a group of Police wedged between the crowd and the rest of their unit, and they high-tail it to the front of the procession.
I think you're invested in seeing that footage in a light that is not reminiscent of reality.
Posted by: Infidelicious at January 12, 2009 4:23 PM
I'd say it is time to start organizing civilian Militias. You would be unarmed, but it couldn't hurt to start organizing.
Posted by: ethoman at January 12, 2009 4:24 PM
To John of Colorado - perhaps because this is not a riot, but merely a few traffic cones. Tear gas, rubber bullets, etc were not needed - they are for sissies.
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 4:25 PM
Kuffar
Nice line in internet smack talk you have there (from behind a keyboard, naturally). You wouldn't say that to my face, though.
I'm sick and tired of this attitude towards the Brits from some Americans. It's just as bad in the US but your media hides it from you.
CAIR suing anyone that moves, virtually all of your universities installing footbaths for Muslims, up to sixty large terrorist training camps within your borders. Google 'Islamberg' to to read about one of them.
Somali taxi drivers laying down the law at Minnesota/St Paul. Your borders being infiltrated North and South. And we're 'pussies'?
You can laugh now, but you won't be for long. Now how about contributing to the fight, rather than trying to belittle your comrades?
Posted by: Un:dhimmi at January 12, 2009 4:27 PM
Saoirse & jdamn,
I like your posts too but I strongly disagree with women on the front line for many reasons. One the British policewomen are weak and not strong enough to handle riot situations. The policemen in the UK are also weak as well. They are weak for many reason because the standards have dropped as have the height and weight specifications as well. Most coppers when I was younger were X Army & rugby players. They were big and tough and commanded respect. The other day I saw a policewoman who must've been about 5' tall. It was laughable.
And before you state it, I know what I'm talking about as I've been on the front line in bars and nightclubs and I've met many women. I've had to work with them, where the majority were unable to help in fight situations in the pub/nightclub.
There are certain jobs that women should not do and riot situations are not them. You need need strong men for that job.
I'll also say as well that for a women to compete in the same situation they need to be seriously fit as well as a high dan in martial arts. You can take your average guy and make a doorman out of him but you can't do the same with women. They have to have a certain mentality as well as years of martial/wrestling experience to do it.
This is not sexist but reality. And regarding the IDF and guns, anyone can pull the trigger but women doing long marches with 115lb bergens on their backs is a no no.
If you want to take offence then that's your prerogative, but I do not mean it. It's the way we're built and the way we act. Would you put a female team of rugby players up against men? Would you do the same for boxing? This is the reality in combat situations and front line action. We are not all equal, this is a myth and in believing this to be true will end up in people being killed. Women have their place in the Armed Forces and the Police Force - just not on the front line.
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at January 12, 2009 4:29 PM
Interested wrote "I will not, however, damn three hundred million people because of the "big enough oven" comment at the Fort Lauderdale demo."
Who here would damn all Americans for the genocidal statement of a Muslim woman in Florida? How about lowering that number a bit to oh, say 3 million...?
Posted by: DenverRodeo at January 12, 2009 4:39 PM
JihadWatch,
I've watched the fleeing Metro Police and the flying missiles, sticks, traffic cones and whatever else was thrown at the police; and I've listened to the mob chanting "Free, free Palestine" and calling the turn-tail police "cowards".
A couple or three thoughts came to mind:
1) Where were the exploding tear gas canisters the police have in their arsenal?
2) Where were the riot shotgun teargas grenade launchers?
3) Where were the police attack K-9s and handlers?
4) Where were the water cannons?
5) Where were the riot shotguns that fire non-lethal, but very painful bean bags?
6) Where were the riot shotguns that fire non-lethal but very painful rubber balls?
7) Where was the plan to advance on and disperse this mob?
8) How far did the police have to run to get away?
9) Why has the police commissioner not resigned?
10) Why has the police commissioner not been fired?
11) Why has the mayor of London not resigned?
12) Why is London not now under martial law?
This all looks very much like a complete capitulation, as in surrender, to the Muslim hordes and it is nothing less than sickening.
It is, but you must go deeper as to why. As I stated above the murder of Stephen Lawrence by a group of Racists in London and the subsequent failure to bring the murderers to justice, even though they knew who they were and had evidence, led to the publishing of the MacPherson report that changed the way policing is done in the UK.
Moreso, there were no water cannons, attack dogs, rubber bullets, dog handlers, because ever since the UK was taken over by Brussels and Human Rights groups such as Liberty run by liberal saps like Shami Chakrabati wre given power, every action by the police is questionable, even if he is getting attacked. Excessive force is always looked at seriously now.
The situation has escalated into the common man, in that if a man defends himself from attackers and hurts them, he could face imprisonment for his actions and his attacker let free.
Yes, the situation is in a dire state. I've said it many times. Nulabour has damaged this country beyond repair, thanks to the Human Rights courts in Europe and control from Brussels.
Britain is not in charge of itself anymore and that is why you in America are seeing videos like this. This is appeasement at the highest scale. European Nations' leaders are all Dhimmis of Saudi Arabia, grasping at the scraps of food the wealthy Sheiks throw from their tables.
You would never see the above happen in America without a doubt. You would never have seen this happen in the UK 20 years ago. It's amazing how much things can change in such a short space of time isn't it?
What Britain really needs is its country back from Brussels that NuLabour and the Conservatives before them sold to Brussels. Once we have it back can we start making changes for the better.
WE WON'T GET IT BACK WITH NULABOUR, CONSERVATIVE OR LIBERAL. It's your choice the British people to vite in the party that will, come next election, or else expect more situations like this on a weekly basis, as Muslims demand this and that and more power and control over Dhimmi Britain.
at January 12, 2009 4:41 PM
Oh look Interested is back on JW, I thought you were never going to show up here again?
Anyway this time I agree with your description of the police tactics they were not running away but were covering the front of the march as it moved to towards the embassy.
However, the behavior of the crowd required that they responded to the physical/verbal threats. They now do look like weak cowards in the face of provocation and it will be much worse for them next time.
One last thing, are you ready to vote BNP yet? :o
Posted by: km at January 12, 2009 4:44 PM
You can laugh now, but you won't be for long. Now how about contributing to the fight, rather than trying to belittle your comrades?
Posted by: Un:dhimmi at January 12, 2009 4:27 PM
I'll send you a box of 9mm.
at January 12, 2009 4:46 PM
I am greatly saddened by this.
I am NOT trying to BLAME all Muslims
But ...
and i say this very carefuly..
1. Islam is their religion NOT Ours.
2. Its Islams Job to clean up Islam NOT Ours.
3. It is WRONG for Islam to demand all bow to its demands.. (so again Islam needs to clean up its own house)..
4. I saw the other video from florida USA and i was so sickened by the chants of Jews to the ovens
that i turned it off.
I was really physically sickened by this..
Dont they know what they are advocating??
jcila
Posted by: csparky at January 12, 2009 4:46 PM
What this shows is the the british elites are imposing on the British police the same restrictions that they would like to impose on the Isrealis.
when faced with Islamist aggression just take it and do nothing and do not even complain or publicise what brutality has been commited against you.
this is the stage Britain has reached in its years of folly and multiculturists illusions.
One is reminded that before WW2 the great majority of the British elites were supporters of Hitler's fascism.
in the end it was the huge surge of public support for Winston Churchill that brought back Britains honour.
We are witnessing the same situation and again it is the Elites who are bringing the country to its knees in abject appeasing Chamberlainism.
at January 12, 2009 4:51 PM
Richard-
The Constabulary was heading for bother over operational tactics long before the Stephen Lawrence case and the Macpherson report.
Remember the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad? ..... The Met Special Patrol Group (SPG)?......
Posted by: Wishbone at January 12, 2009 4:52 PM
isn't that a Nazi salute near 8:38 ?
Posted by: Proud of being takfir at January 12, 2009 4:55 PM
I'm sorry, but I finally stopped laughing -- I think I laughed so hard that I wet my "knickers" so to speak.
This film was ... hilarious on so many levels.
Look, the yellow jackets are clearly outnumber in the first place -- stop the video and count the yellow blotches; I could count perhaps 40 - 50 give or take a few.
Then, take one look at the "violent, intimidating mob" coming at them -- easily 500 perhaps more.
Did the police vastly under estimate the turn out?
Did the police really believe that the crowd would be orderly?
It seems that all of those cameras all on every street corner that yell at you didn't help much did they?
I'm sure that they will have plenty of police reports and the officers in the chopper will have plenty of videos.
Frankly, I think the yellow jackets did the right thing under the circumstances -- run like hell! Hopefully, this was captured by more than one camera?
Okay, so they may have made an arrest or batoned one or two but not even a rugby player can hold out forever.
While I think the whole video is funny -- especially the little red-haired girl who is shouting "stop - we don't need this" or the old creep in the white muslim garb freshly back from the haj yelling "salm brothers" as if this will do anything.
But, I have stopped laughing for now and managed to get a grip -- Britain, you have a big problem on your hands.
Clearly, the islamic mob was in control of this situation -- worst of all -- they knew it and they have an appiteite for more.
The only thing I did not understand was why Blair and Brown were not at the head of the marchers urging them on?
After all, Blair was the one who said he gets "angry" everytime the words islam and terror are used in the same sentence.
Perhaps you Brits have remembered the Northern Ireland days or something but really these people you have in your midst now from the middle east or from "asia" as you say -- are more of a danger that Catholic Ireland ever dared imagine.
The lion's nose has not been tweaked; rather, the lion got a good swift kick in the arse as he ran for cover looking for any escape possible!
Take back your country Brits -- you are about to lose it I fear.
The US will no doubt show a similar lack of spine when it happens here -- where will we run? To Britian?
Posted by: witness at January 12, 2009 4:57 PM
JOila
what Islam, when one invokes its genocidal side, can do and do better than any other reilgion or cult is turn people into raving suicide bombing barbaric murderous hordes.
Even Adolf Hitler was amazed by this and wished he could have the same effect on the SS.
What does this say about human nature and how easy humans can be made to revert to barbarism?
at January 12, 2009 5:00 PM
Wishbone,
I'm not going to deny that the Police were not in bother before the MacPherson report and Lawrence murder but it was the final series of Nails in the Coffin of the British Police Force.
The MacPherson report has seriously handcuffed the police force as has the Victoria Climbie murder and subsequent findings seriously damaged the Social workers as well.
The Police can be held accountable for many things, there's no doubt, but the report effectively took away police powers among other things.
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at January 12, 2009 5:01 PM
Un:Dhimmi And Richard
Look and Learn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb84xVMbfqA&feature=related
DNC convention 08/08
During the Messiah's (Obama) coronation.
This is how you handle it.
Posted by: Kuffar at January 12, 2009 5:01 PM
and it will be much worse for them next time.
Yep.
When I became a parent a wise person told me that everything I do as a parent trains my children in some way.
In this case, the police have just trained the mob to be as violent and slanderous as they please and they will protect the mob's right to injure and insult.
It will surely be worse next time, they have learned from this experience, and will be able to plan better for more effect next time. That's how these people think! They are not lovers of peace.
Posted by: Toward the Right at January 12, 2009 5:06 PM
Kuffar,
I know exactly how the situation should have been handled. If Britain was Britain, most of these marchers would be lying in a police cell, waiting trial with bust heads.
You're missing what I'm saying in my replies. We know what needs to be done, it's just the Police are a lot different than what they used to be. They are paramilitary Social workers. I don't mean to cause offence but are you actually reading anything I'm writing?
at January 12, 2009 5:10 PM
jdamn
That is true, the British politicians are responsible as well for what had happen at this Islamic Protest, but just as the British politicians are responsible, so are the British Officers because they then could have armed themselves with riot gears, non-lethal shotgun with rubber bullets or sandbags, more Officers, tear gas, K-9s and the likes, especially when circumstances meets said requirements, and could have done those things with or without the British politicians approval.
Posted by: Bobby at January 12, 2009 5:12 PM
Richard-
I understand what you're saying, but no one would have given a toss for that report if the scaremongering arising from it hadn't already had fertile ground to spring from. Socialist thinking in this country over the last 25 years or so (and much, much more prevalently in the last 11 since the rising of Nulabour) has created an environment where rational politics has been turned on its head.
At the end of the 80's, early 90's, I was a voluntary youth worker at a local club. My thought was to instil some of the same decent values I had been raised with in the members, to keep them on the straight and narrow by virtue of a personal pride that, it seemed, most authority figures wished to strip from them. I wanted them to know that right and wrong were immutable values and that, knowing the difference and following the right path, no matter how hard it may seem, would go a long way toward making them better people and citizens of the future.
Then the 'rules' started getting in the way of that. 'Rules' that stated: Only White people can be racist.....only Men can be sexist....... Criminals and junkies are victims too....... You know the dance.
I absolutely flipped at this, disgusted that language and words were being redefined to suit a political mandate and, not only that, the process was then being employed to indoctrinate the kids into that pseudo-mindset. The rest is history: Now the feral little bastards can run around our streets with impunity, knowing that no matter which crimes they commit, it will always be 'somebody elses fault'.
When Thatcher crushed the unions, she never went far enough. She should have rooted out every source of socialist and 'Right on' thinking there was and destroyed it for ever. That includes the bloody 'social workers' by the way. I utterly detest the whole notion of a 'civil service'; full of government employees, lining their pockets at the taxpayers expense and calling strikes if anyone so much as gets told off for completely screwing up the job they're paid to do.
Forget law and order..... Forget the government..... forget the bloody Conservatives; they'll never be able to get a grip on what Labour has effectively lost control of now, which is law, order and justice.
We're heading for a shitstorm mate and it's going to take the bloody army to sort out, never mind a bunch of hapless coppers.
Posted by: Wishbone at January 12, 2009 5:39 PM
grobari,
"I believe it was Patton who said "I would rather have a German army infront of me than a French army behaind me"."
Patton never said that. That quote was misattributed to him on Fox News in 2003. He was friends with French generals like Leclerc and wasn't in the habit of saying derogatory things about allies.
In any case what does this post have to do with the French and German armies? The London Metropolitan Police are neither French, nor German nor an army.
Posted by: aengus at January 12, 2009 5:50 PM
Im a Brit and have always been proud to say that, and i still am. However this clip awes me in a very negative way.
Britain is full of "do-gooders" who like to upset no one except the silent masses, who don't really matter as they are not an ethnic minority.
I wish we had a government with enough backbone to stand up to abuse like this with force, without the fear that they will be branded as islamophobic and racist.
I see this clip and it makes me sick as well as helpless and just a bit fearful. I feel as though i can't stop this country from hitting a point of no return (unless we are already there) as i can't even vote yet.
How far will this country fall until there's action? Protesters in the clip say this is "war" and it may very literally come to war in the streets one day. What will the men up high order then i wonder?
at January 12, 2009 6:10 PM
Hey Infidelicious, I think Israel will appreciate any help they can get, especially with an empty suit about to take the reins of America who doesn't appear so hot on backing them to the hilt. I was using BNP as an example of British mentality of making unlikely allegiances in order to defeat a common enemy, not because I'm a fan of theirs. You sure you don't have a blog? Maybe I dreamt visiting a blog of similar name this week that was promoting the pizza-idf scheme?
Interested - there is a difference between marshalling a protest and policing it. In my opinion they were doing neither and some of them look terrified. I agree with the previous posts that there seems to have been a breakdown in planning and procedure. There were not enough bodies to offer up resistance which leads me to believe that the bean counters probably read the Guardian and got the impression that they were going to be a peaceful mob (haha). The clip doesn't show any of them offering up any resistance therefore they should have stood to the side, let them pass and regroup at a latter point on the route with backup. Simply walking/running away from them walking backwards or otherwise is no use to anybody.
I'm off to start the next British revolution!
Posted by: Dan at January 12, 2009 6:12 PM
Infidelicious, I was thinking of Jewel Atkins. My bad. Her blog is called 'Infidelicacies' and you're Infidelicious. Apologies to both of you, and I still love the idea.
RtL, point taken. I'm from Middle America, where the real women are (it's a 'NewsRadio' reference). I've been shooting guns since I was big enough to not get knocked back by the kick. When I turned 16 my father gave me a riot-control Maglite to keep in my car and he told me: "don't be afraid to bash a skull if you so much as sense that your safety is being threatened." That Maglite saved me from getting carjacked almost five years ago when I used it to crush the fingers of the crackhead who tried to jack me. American and Israeli women would have no problem on the front lines of riot control. If what you say is true about British women, I can understand the incredible capacity for denial on the part of the likes of 'Interested.' Also, I used to beat every guy on my swim team at the backstroke, even the ones who outweighed me twice over and were several years older than myself.
What makes humans different from animals is our capacity for invention and for the utilization of such invention. It does not come down to size and claws, but rather preparation, tactics, and the right gear. With firehoses, rubber bullets, and teargas women can certainly hold our own. When we can't, send in the dogs. That's one of the many things God gave them to us for. The National Guard should have dealt with this - and actually dealt with it - and the rioters should have all been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And of you claim that this was not a riot, Interested, I would suggest that you actually watch the video I linked to. They were unarguably rioting.
chevalier de st george, it says nothing about human nature. Clearly these people have inbred and brainwashed themselves into subhumanity. The question regarding human nature is that of how people like Interested and the ruling elites are still in such denial. I suspect that the answer will also solve the "dhimmi Jew" question that keeps me up at night.
England is the new France. Congrtulations, dhimmis.
Posted by: jdamn at January 12, 2009 6:14 PM
The clip doesn't show any of them offering up any resistance therefore they should have stood to the side, let them pass and regroup at a latter point on the route with backup. Simply walking/running away from them walking backwards or otherwise is no use to anybody.
Neither you, nor anyone else knows what they did. Perhaps they phoned for back up, which materialised later, after this short, amateur footage finished. Standing to one side and letting the protesters go in front towards the embassy does not sound like a good idea at all.
Perhaps there was a breakdown in planning - on the other hand perhaps the plan changed in the light of developments. Basically, we none of us know.
And yes, perhaps the UK is going to the dogs, and we're all cringing dhimmis, just like the Limey appeasers we always were before Uncle Sam came and saved our sorry "asses". Whatever happened to the Blitz spirit of once Great Britain? (The same Britain that were Limey appeasers before Uncle Sam etc etc....)
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 6:22 PM
Permit me an attempt at a Churchillian response to all this tommyrot, yikes man bring out the troops and reintroduce Britain to the world, the tail is wagging the lion.
Posted by: deserteagle at January 12, 2009 6:23 PM
With firehoses, rubber bullets, and teargas women can certainly hold our own.
Well, how very brave.
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 6:24 PM
What upsets me is watching what is happening to Europe and what is now starting to happen here in the US, everyone seems so afraid to risk offending others but won't stand up to those who do the same to us! I read the koran and other islam books and am a firm believer that no matter what the moolahs and their communist friends say it is not a religion of peace and we all should stand up together and tell these islamic assholes that we won't take their crap anymore, 60 years ago we all fought this oppressive type of crap and now it is happening again? but this time the ones we elected to lead us are just looking the other way? I know it is not the average European citizen's fault but you all got to see what being to tolerable towards others who want nothing more than have it their way has gotten!when will they start tolerating you?? never!! I have always found Europeans friendly people but there are times when you got to lace up the old combat boots and start kicking some heads!!
God help the muslim fanatic who walks down my street yelling death threats to me, my family and country!! I hope and pray all a peaceful life and prosperity other than muslims, they have proven to me without reason of doubt Islam is nothing but a violent cult.
at January 12, 2009 6:32 PM
Wishbone,
I would say that I'd agree with almost all you have to say but I'll address those issues as I come to them.
You very correct that our society has been turned on it's head rationaly wise that is. However it goes back far further than just 25 years. It goes back more to the '20's when the infiltration of the UK began. Although I will say that it really started to take effect in the lat 50's.
I'm sorry to hear of your youth worker experience but I've heard it many times before. What you experienced was the indoctrination by the miorites upon the majority to hate and despise themselves, culture and history. Gramscian Hegemony was already on the go in the UK as individuals had manoeuvred themselves into positions of power, with which to start the brainwashing. It was a sort of Manchurian Candidate on a large scale. This is also the plan that Islam will use, allying themselves with the Socialsits/Marxists and follow in exactly the same way. This way of thinking did allow people to not take responsibility for themselves and their actions.
I wrote in previous posts, as some will remember, of the unfortunate entry to the UK of the 'Vulgar' parts of American culture. I had this debate with Wellington I believe. Anyway, one of the worst parts of American culture to come over to the UK was the 'sue' culture and this has led to a big part of the 'irresponsibility' culture we have. However, most of it does stem from EU Human Rights Courts.
I disagreed with Thatcher as she really set the ball rolling for the destruction of the UK with many of her policies. The Conservatism in the party was disappearing fast and a new Social Democrat party was coming to the fore. The 'feral little bastards' as you eloquently put them believe it or not became what they were thanks to the removal of Corporal Punishment and discipline in schools and who was it, or what party ordered its removal?
The Unions at first started off to protect the workers being abused by their bosses but alas got greedy and corrupt. Social workers do actually do a good job and I know many who disagree on many parts of their work. How do I know, my partner is one and has to deal with the feral little bastard on a daily basis. She has to go around inner city schools in London dealing with the bad boys and girls and as you can imagine not a very nice job. She was a teacher before that and the stories she told me made my blood boil.
Like in every thing there are the good and the bad and I won't deny it that greed is a big player in all.
I know that Conservative won't sort out NuLabour's mess but they will win next election, not unless people actually start voting for the Nationalists parties. I also know that there will be civil war as well along with vigilante groups and revolution. It's on the cards and I've envisaged this for a long time now.
at January 12, 2009 6:34 PM
THERE ONCE WAS A LEFTIST FROM DEVON
WHO WAS A FASCIST IN HIDING TIMES SEVEN
HE CALLED FOR CESSATION
WHILE CAUSING SENSATION
SUCH IS ISLAMS NOTION OF HEAVEN........
at January 12, 2009 6:36 PM
I'd like to see you fend off a crackhead, Interested.
Posted by: jdamn at January 12, 2009 6:39 PM
Interested, I predominantly think that this video isn't that far off 'happy slapping,' (for anyone who doesn't know, it's when you beat someone up and film it). Obviously, the video was uploaded by the guy screaming the slurs, who is no doubt proud of abusing the kuffar Police. But you can be arrested just for verbally abusing an officer like that. In fact, since your average Joe public would get a stern talking to at best for using that language, the numbers appear to count here...a bit.
You can be brave and abstain from rubber bullets and teargas, Interested, but I'd use them to disperse a mob. Unless you think you can deal with people on the rampage without those tools, bravery comes second to survival. I have a black belt in internet surfing, which won't be of much use to me. This vid is just one aspect of the 'demonstration' in which they caused a lot of damage in the city.
Anyway, they used plenty of tear gas in Oslo. And they needed to. The vid is on this site.
Posted by: Infidelicious at January 12, 2009 6:43 PM
Interested - as I said "The clip shows..." I wasn't presuming anything other than what I saw in the clip although I would assume that the Embassy would be guarded by static bodies rather than expect those at the front to break off and form a barrier. Again, I'm assuming as everyone else is.
The Blitz spirit - cowering in underground tunnels whilst the enemy bombed the living daylights out of us - I think we're seeing that now aren't we in a metaphorical sense! I don't remember the part where the people come out of hiding armed to the teeth and ready to for some good old cold blooded revenge? Perhaps thats on the to-do list? We need a modern day Edward 1st to do unto the native Jihadis what he did to the Scots.
Posted by: Dan at January 12, 2009 6:45 PM
I predominantly think that this video isn't that far off 'happy slapping,' (for anyone who doesn't know, it's when you beat someone up and film it). Obviously, the video was uploaded by the guy screaming the slurs, who is no doubt proud of abusing the kuffar Police.
And has it occurred to anyone but me that the police may not have been able to hear what he said?
I missed this post by J at 1.07 pm
Just remember - these are the same people who complained of police 'brutality' because shortly after this clip ends the riot police were called in and pushed part of the crowd back.
So it was dealt with. It seems nobody was injured. No need for tear gas, rubber bullets or marshall law, except in the febrile imaginations of some gung-ho Americans.
at January 12, 2009 6:47 PM
Perhaps it is just that I am upset, but somehow this seems relevant, or at least illustrative of Britain's plight-
Posted by: Al_Batross at January 12, 2009 6:51 PM
The video has been flagged by the army of moslem flaggers.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at January 12, 2009 6:52 PM
If you listen very carefully you can hear Winston (my favorite leader of all time and I'm a Yank) spinning even faster in his grave.
Posted by: one of the chosen people at January 12, 2009 7:00 PM
Dan,
....We need a modern day Edward 1st to do unto the native Jihadis what he did to the Scots.
Ahem, excuse me?
Edward Longshanks aka the Hammer of the Scots was only the Hammer of the Scots because of internal conflict within Scotland, renowned in it's history up until the Jacobite rebellion and the Battle of Culloden Moor 1746.
The Scots lost to the English for one reason and that was because the Lairds of the Scottish Clans had been bought by the King. They in fact betrayed their own people.
I hate to break it to you, but had the Scottish Clans united with one another, the English would have been utterly destroyed. The Battle of Culloden Moor is tragic not just for loss of life but also for the fact that Scotsmen not only fought against the English, but against fellow Scots ordered into battle at the ruling of their clan Leaders. Neighbours fought neighbours and it was a terrible affair.
Now let's not get into an argument as although I'm a proud Brit, I am a Scotsman too.
Let's not discuss history amongst the Nations of the UK as that brings about division. We need to unite with one another and your analogy was not the correct one to choose.
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at January 12, 2009 7:00 PM
Let's not discuss history amongst the Nations of the UK as that brings about division. We need to unite with one another and your analogy was not the correct one to choose.
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 12, 2009 7:00 PM
Take Lionheart's advice -- he is right on this one!
Posted by: witness at January 12, 2009 7:06 PM
From post above: Neither you, nor anyone else knows what they did. Perhaps they phoned for back up, which materialised later, after this short, amateur footage finished.
The police were obviously not prepared.
Considering that they knew beforehand the unstable nature of these demonstrations, and the unstable nature of the protesters, it is unforgivable.
Had the crowd over run the officers, and killed a few, how would that go over?
The post above that talks about water cannon, dogs, tear gas etc, was right.
Whoever decided to under police this protest, and not have immediate, overwhelming help at hand, put the officers lives, and those of protesters, at unnecessary risk, that person, or people should be fired...
at January 12, 2009 7:08 PM
I wonder how many Europeans actually believe that the perfidious Jews are the problem and not the Muslim jihadis? If many do as I suspect, then that would be a component in their stupid acquiescence in widespread Muslim immigration. Sooner or later they'll find out where their anti-Semitism has led them: Straight to dhimmitude.
Posted by: jewdog at January 12, 2009 7:09 PM
If you listen very carefully you can hear Winston (my favorite leader of all time and I'm a Yank) spinning even faster in his grave.
Well, it was only a matter of time before someone wrote that. So very predictable.
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 7:12 PM
I understand a mob can very easily become dangerous.
I also understand what Islam teaches.
I stand up and state what i believe is the truth.
I also know that if i start Yelling (like the members of the mob) in that video that
every time i see 2 sides protesting
(israel vs palestinians) they all end up
Screaming at each other..
I am just saying that what i think would be better
Is if all of the NON muslims would just take a stand and SILENTLY stand there basically saying
No more..
I remember a story about in ww II the germans a batallion sized unit in some small town executed
30 members ( i am not exactly sure of the number)
of the towns leadership..
The next day the ENTIRE town of many thousands showed up outside the nazi headquaters and TOLD the Nazi commander basically this..
"We know your in charge BUT remeber this.
there are many hundreds times more people than you have soldiers.. Do this again and we will fight back"
The commander backed down..
He had no choice..
Thats what i hope to see infidels taking a stand
Posted by: csparky at January 12, 2009 7:13 PM
Whoever decided to under police this protest, and not have immediate, overwhelming help at hand, put the officers lives, and those of protesters, at unnecessary risk, that person, or people should be fired...
Duh-Swami (and others)see J's post at 1.05 pm, which I missed first time round. Riot police were called in, and it seems dealt with the matter quickly. They must have been on standby, but not in evidence at what might have been a peaceful protest.
The police you see in the video did the right thing, once riot police had been called, in escorting the protesters to their destination.
In fact they were prepared, but the riot police were held in reserve. Whatever. It worked.
Interesting that some Americans are happy to believe the Muslim version: "Dhimmi cowards nah nah nah" rather than use their brains.
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 7:19 PM
Interested wrote:
The police are walking backwards because they are escorting the protesters and turning their backs on them would be silly.
I would have thought that was obvious to anyone with half a brain.
It seems you are half short of the old grey matter then Interested. If one escorts someone it means that they are in control of the situation and guiding that person. One can clearly see from the video that the police are most definitely not in control of the crowd. They have in fact lost control of the crowd. If you also look you will see them 'turn they're back and run as well as grab other police by the arm and pull them along. You will also have heard many insults being thrown at the police. If I swore at a policeman in the street he'd arrest me for 'breach of the peace'.
It seems you are unable to see when control has been lost.
at January 12, 2009 7:23 PM
First, these chaps need to take some lessons from the LAPD. LA cops wouldn't put up with that stuff for five minutes. They'ed make a formation, bring in some tear gas, tazer some "bros" and let lose the water cannons.
Posted by: American_Palamite at January 12, 2009 7:30 PM
First, these chaps need to take some lessons from the LAPD. LA cops wouldn't put up with that stuff for five minutes. They'ed make a formation, bring in some tear gas, tazer some "bros" and let lose the water cannons.
In response to a few traffic cones? Really brave.
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 7:40 PM
In response to a few traffic cones? Really brave.
Posted by: Interested
The riot police should have been on scene to begin with not called in later. That 'peaceful' protest was un-peaceful for so long the riot police had time to come from New York. How many arrests did you say they made? I missed that part...
I think this incident is a little more serious than thrown traffic cones...there were multiple felonies taking place. Every throw cone at an officer is not a joke, it's a felony. At least it is here in sunny California, where the police never lose...
Posted by: duh_swami at January 12, 2009 7:55 PM
The riot police should have been on scene to begin with not called in later.
They were called in in time for the protest not to get out of hand, and were obviously on standby. No injuries, it seems. We do not yet know who has been or will be arrested.
We don't know. Yet ignorance does not stop some leaping to conclusions.
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 7:59 PM
OMG...They were called in in time for the protest not to get out of hand,
Not get out of hand??? Are you kidding?
Why did they need the riot police at all??
Whatever extra cops they had on hand, should have been right up there in front with the yellow jackets, when the first yellow jacket was forced to back up, at the first sign of trouble, not to wait until the cops are nearly chased out of town...Anything less was irresponsible on the police part.
You are entitled to your opinions, but I don't think I would hire you as a crowd or riot control expert...
Posted by: duh_swami at January 12, 2009 8:08 PM
You are entitled to your opinions
And you are entitled to yours, but since you don't have a clue, outside this short, amateur video of a small part of a very big picture, what was going on, I will treat it with a certain degree of scepticism.
Hasn't it occurred to you that serried ranks of riot police on the spot from the start might have sparked a confrontation?
They were there, promptly, when needed. The police stayed calm. Nobody was injured.
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 8:15 PM
They must have been on standby, but not in evidence at what might have been a peaceful protest.
Evidence? What evidence have Muslims shown you that they are peaceful people? The fact that they're 8 times more likely to kill their own "wives" or the fact that they riot in the classroom at the suggestion tha the Holocaust happened? Can anyone name a single gathering of more than 25 Muslims which was ever peaceful? You have the last 1400 years from which to pick examples. Police states like Egypt with as many cops as civilians, where any 3 people seen talking get shot don't count.
Interesting that some Americans are happy to believe the Muslim version: "Dhimmi cowards nah nah nah" rather than use their brains.
My eyes don't lie.
The riot police should have been on scene to begin with not called in later.
But in Britain these lovely terror-financing criminals are nice people who are not to be associated with violence. The Brits in power are absolutely delusional.
Posted by: jdamn at January 12, 2009 8:18 PM
My eyes don't lie.
No, but when your eyes see a small portion of amateur, badly shot footage, you extrapolate and extrapolate and generalise and generalise and assume and assume, and your vast ignorance of the facts is no deterrent.
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 8:21 PM
Interested evidently missed jdamn's link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iQyXXsBBQ0&NR=1
That's not a traffic cone.
Posted by: mcfairy at January 12, 2009 8:24 PM
Jdamn,
You still thinking no Aliyah?
I'd rather put my trust in the living God of Israel than trust these dhimmi cops.
It seems the Lions of Britain are castrated.
What a pathetic display.
To all those who thought you could throw Israel to the dogs. Those dogs are your problem now.
Enjoy.
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Am Yisrael Chai!!
Dani' El
Vexed in Sodom, CA
at January 12, 2009 8:31 PM
You don't have to have a clue when you can see.
You must think others are blind...It matters little what went on before or after the video...the video speaks for itself...I pointed out before that felonies were being committed...Is there some excuse for that?
From interested...Hasn't it occurred to you that serried ranks of riot police on the spot from the start might have sparked a confrontation?
Hasn't it occurred to you that a massive police presence deters confrontation...or at least that's the theory police work under, and why they often have that kind of presence...of course it may not always work well with religious maniacs, and leftists who show up primarily to fight with the police.
I have police experience...I have been to these types of confrontations...I never backed up, and never will. One reason is I trusted my supervisors and fellow officers, we relied on each other to handle explosive situations. If some supervisor put me into the position these officers were in, and I survived, he would have to deal with me immediately.
But I bet I would have to get in line...
Of course I don't know all the details about what cops said to cops...But as I stated earlier...the video speaks for itself...
Posted by: duh_swami at January 12, 2009 8:37 PM
Interested evidently missed jdamn's link.
No, but that link is clearly to a different protest, or at least a different part of the day.
Careful observers, even Americans - and JDamn's eyes don't lie - will note that the original post is in daylight, yet JDamn's link is to a scene in the dark. In fact, Jdamn's link is to a protest on January 3, while this one is - I think - to one a week later, on January 10.
Don't let specifics get in the way of a good "lock n load" fest.
By the way, from Infidel Bloggers Alliance:
NY pro-Palestinian protest turns violent.
"The extent of injuries varied from minor to serious, New York police said. Two officers sustained head injuries."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/11/gaza.rally.new.york/index.html?eref=rss_latest
So much for those rubber bullets and that tear gas.
Dear, oh dear. George Washington spinning in his grave. Dhimmis, etc etc etc.
at January 12, 2009 8:42 PM
Of course I don't know all the details about what cops said to cops...But as I stated earlier...the video speaks for itself...
Well no, actually it doesn't. See J's post at 1.05 pm. Taken out of context, the video tells us very little.
By the way, all those wonderful American policing techniques don't seem to have worked too well in NY, do they?
You don't know what happened. You merely extrapolate using a short video clip and a vast reservoir of prejudice and ignorance.
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 8:46 PM
I think this incident is a little more serious than thrown traffic cones...there were multiple felonies taking place. Every throw cone at an officer is not a joke, it's a felony. At least it is here in sunny California, where the police never lose...
Posted by: duh_swami at January 12, 2009 7:55 PM
I believe the phrase "feloneous assult on a police officer" comes to mind.
Really, for the protection of the police in the yellow jackets -- next time line the streets with K9 units, backed up with tasers, riot gear, water cannons, and behind that -- deadly force!
There is NO EXCUSE for leaving your front line personnel exposed as was depicted in this video; NONE!
Posted by: witness at January 12, 2009 8:52 PM
Oh well...Is Larry King around?
I want to ask him if he gets the point.
I'm not sure I get it...
I thought I got it, but now I'm not so sure what I saw, was something I really saw, or something I didn't see but thought I did, but actually didn't.
I got it, I was hallucinating when I viewed that clip. I only thought I saw officers fleeing a howling mob throwing various items at them including traffic cones.
I got to lay off that exotic tobacco, it's causing me to give Islam a bad name...
So 'interested' far you have not enlightened us/me to just exactly what you know about the pre and post events you keep referring to, but not clarifying, about the pre-video events and the post video events, that we/I don't know...
Ok I'm clueless...enlighten me as to how I did not see this mob attacking the police...
Posted by: duh_swami at January 12, 2009 9:10 PM
At the risk of repeating myself, Duh_swami, see J's post at 1.05pm:
shortly after this clip ends the riot police were called in and pushed part of the crowd back.
I can't enlighten you about the whole picture before and after this little bit of badly shot footage, because I didn't see it. However, unlike arrogant, ignorant posters here, I do not claim knowledge of something I haven't seen, but merely ask that such arrogant, ignorant posters consider that they too may not be able to see the full picture.
Now about that fabulous American policing, that worked so well in NY...
But that was just a one off - how can I extrapolate from that that Americans are dhimmis?
Y'all tell me.
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 9:18 PM
OOHHH: I can't enlighten you about the whole picture before and after this little bit of badly shot footage, because I didn't see it.
So you don't know anything either...and I thought you knew something...So Larry was right...You really don't have a point...You are just arguing that no one else has one either.
I guess since you can't explain it, I will have to go with the visual evidence, as short and bad as it is...
You keep referring to badly shot film, it's actually pretty clear...
Would it matter if it was a slick Hollywood production?
Posted by: duh_swami at January 12, 2009 9:32 PM
So you don't know anything either...and I thought you knew something...
I know what J posted, and he was there. I know, therefore, that riot police were called in just after the clip ended. I also know that a short film - and yes, it is badly shot - cannot give the whole picture. That is common knowledge.
There were no injuries reported from this particular bit of the demonstration that all you Americans are getting so smug about.
Big difference. I admit what I don't know. You don't.
Now, about that policing in NY...
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 9:41 PM
But that was just a one off - how can I extrapolate from that that Americans are dhimmis?
Y'all tell me.
Posted by: Interested
I don't know, that's above my pay grade...besides the topic of this thread is not American dhimmi's...
at January 12, 2009 9:41 PM
Interested,
Are you really so ignorant to facts presented before you?
Hasn't it occurred to you that serried ranks of riot police on the spot from the start might have sparked a confrontation?
at January 12, 2009 9:44 PM
lol.
To the moon, Interested, to the moon......
(gymgal removes her Ralph Kramden outfit)
Posted by: gymgal at January 12, 2009 9:47 PM
This video will only further damage the reputation of the UK and the Police at home and abroad.
Well kudos to Robert for posting it, and to posters here for their support.
Basically, the situation was handled and neither you nor the Americans know who was and will be arrested. Do you imagine for one moment that the whole thing wasn't recorded on CCTV or that police helicopters were not observing the layout of the protest at close quarters?
And what of that NY policing that worked so much better? Still waiting...
at January 12, 2009 9:50 PM
Gymgal, and what insight or particular, detailed knowledge of this incident, do you bring to this discussion?
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 9:53 PM
I know what I saw...And that's good enough for me.
There is no excuse good enough for riots, and anarchy in the streets...
There is no excuse good enough for police not to be prepared for it...
No injuries...swell...I suppose it's ok with you if some thugs break in your house, rob you, intimidate you, but do not injure you.
The point is felonious behavior is felonious behavior, even if no one is injured.
The fact that there were no 'reported' injuries is beside the point...You use weak arguments when you don't have a point to begin with...
But maybe you are not 'interested' in law...Only vague uncertainties...which it seems is the bulk of your argument...
at January 12, 2009 9:59 PM
Interested
Well kudos to Robert for posting it, and to posters here for their support.Erm... how many videos of this do you think are flying around YouTube and other sites all over the World, apart from here, from umpteen other video recorders filming on the day?
Basically, the situation was handled and neither you nor the Americans know who was and will be arrested. Do you imagine for one moment that the whole thing wasn't recorded on CCTV or that police helicopters were not observing the layout of the protest at close quarters?Ah yes, CCTV - 1 camera for every 25 people in the UK and yet has managed to solve 3% of all crimes? police videos, you mean those taking pictures of 'masked men'? Helicopters, taking video evidence of 'masked men' from half a mile up in the sky?
at January 12, 2009 10:02 PM
riots, and anarchy in the streets...
Well, if you think this minor bit of nothing is riots and anarchy, you must be pussies.
G'night.
at January 12, 2009 10:09 PM
Oh, and that NY policing that worked so well? Still waiting...
Posted by: Interested at January 12, 2009 10:11 PM
Look it is simple. This will continue to get worse, as the Islamic community feels it has more freedoms to push the envelope. I'm voting more violence, maybe Israel should find an excuse to bomb southern Lebanon again after they are done with Gaza. Next time maybe the Mohammadeans will actually force their way into the Milan Cathedral,and turn it into a Mosque for a few hours, or maybe they will storm somebody's Parliament building. Mohammadeans should be pushed until they go so insane, so this situation has to be dealt with now. I'm talking cartoon violence, teddy bear rage, full on Pope freak out, Gaza srtip willie pete air burst rage fest all wrapped into one. Lets make this a real Mohammadean rage event of epic proportions, one the world will never forget. So, far I'm unimpressed with this.
Posted by: ethoman at January 12, 2009 10:18 PM
Hmmm. Now I see why there is always (yes, always) a fear of backlash against muslims when muslims are identified as perpetrators of some heinous act. The likes of CAIR and the MSA are preaching to us about violence against muslims in the form of "backlash". I understand this now because as we can see it is because that is how *they* act.
When are we going to get sick of this behavior and ban islam (or at least call for its reform)?
How about you? Are you sick already?
Posted by: PartJew at January 12, 2009 10:28 PM
Churchill just turned over in his grave.
Posted by: Tom rose at January 12, 2009 10:28 PM
riots, and anarchy in the streets...
Well, if you think this minor bit of nothing is riots and anarchy, you must be pussies.
G'night.
Posted by: Interested
I guess you were hoping for something a little bigger...
Posted by: duh_swami at January 12, 2009 10:32 PM
What needs to happen is for the bobbies to get badly beaten up and a lot of them killed.
Then this video needs to be played on every TV in Britain.
THEN -POSSIBLY the public will have had enough.
What do you think the odds are of that happening?
Posted by: Proud_Infidel at January 12, 2009 11:16 PM
As I watched, I gathered that the 'protesters' were 'marching' somewhere, rather than just staying on one street, and that the police were clearing the way, as they should do.
BUT -- see how these gentle adherents of the Religion of Peace respond to shows of propriety and decency?
The first traffic cone that bounced off the back of a policeman's head should have signaled the END of the 'march,' and there should have been arrests (and deportations). This behavior is absolutely unacceptable.
Did anyone else note how the orange-vested 'event organizers' (hah) had totally lost control of the mob, very early on? They were pathetic and laughably ineffective. For shame. Such incredible naivete, such foolishness, such incredible lack of awareness or common sense.
So why was this 'peaceful protest' not terminated on the spot at the very second it turned violent?
I hear over and over from Britishers that they have the situation under control and they are not about to be swamped by intolerant Mohammedans... I'd like to believe them, but....
Yeah I know we have our problems here in the USA as well -- but Americans are the same, they swear up and down that we are not about to be swamped by intolerant Mohammedans... heh. I'm too sure.
WAKE-UP CALL, EVERYONE! HELLO? IS ANYBODY HOME???
Posted by: Goob at January 12, 2009 11:39 PM
Gymgal-Originally DDA posted that idea. But I WAS aware of it from way back when I lived in Egypt. I had a 140 pound Rhodesian Ridgeback with me and the people would part like he was the Red Sea. Either that or cross the steet. He was a very tall red wheaten Ridgeback, his dam was from South Africa. He looked fierce but he was a sweetheart who would never ever hurt a person. His name was Bucephalous, but in Egypt I used to call him KatKout (which means little baby chicken)! Oh the laughs and strange looks I would get with that! But now I am definitely going for the big-boned black Dobie. I want one that WILL bite MF'ers like those stinking islamists!! Bite away if you dare eff with me or mine!
Infidelicious-I don't tithe at my church and instead choose to give what I can to what I think is a good person in need. Besides my little boy in Chad, I will also now give pizza to the IDF on a monthly basis for the next year. It's a note-worthy cause. Thank you for the posting. And Kosher pizza is sooo divine!
Posted by: lorfalcon at January 12, 2009 11:48 PM
Good point PartJew...
I know I'm getting sick of this behaviour. And I think that there are a lot more people who are becoming aware of what islam really is.
Civilized nations have got to recognize this social ill and ban it from exploiting the freedoms that we grant to true peace loving religions.
at January 13, 2009 12:00 AM
Well kudos to Robert for posting it, and to posters here for their support.
Spoken like a true dhimmi. Keep your head low. Don't make noise. Cower in your shorter houses. Whatever you do, don't rile the awakening intifada that isn't happening just so long as we plug our ears, keep our eyes shut tight, and don't talk about it.
Dani'El, did you not read my posts above in which I talked about how most Midwestern women are far tougher than those cops? I grew up in a predominantly white-but-not-waspy neighborhood full of Italians, Irish, Jews, and Hispanics. We don't take nothin' from nobody. I'm half-Italian, half-redneck and I have faith in my civil servants because they deal with gang members, crackheads, and meth-head rednecks. In America this would not have happened, maybe because we've always had a black community and there's no real racism in America so law enforcement can do their jobs without being accused of it, plus our cops are trained in riot control, even in Indianapolis, where they quashed a riot after the NCAA finals a few years ago when hooligans were tearing up downtown. I have been to London. It is a lovely city, absolutely amazing, but not half as scary as downtown Indianapolis. I may make Aliyah after all just to serve the IDF but not to turn tail and leave America because I think it's done-for.
I also have a lot of faith in Italy's ability to hold out because they have been careful to not legally accept Islam or give Muslims citizenship, and because they're Italian. I doubt I would be willing to pay the kind of taxes they pay there without it eating at my soul, though.
I can and do put my trust in the living God of Israel wherever I may go. Also, I don't speak Hebrew and I'm intimidated by the different alphabet. I also consider any place with a 15% Muslim population to be uninhabitable, quite frankly. My heart will always be with Israel, but I'm American through and through.
Posted by: jdamn at January 13, 2009 12:07 AM
Somali taxi drivers laying down the law at Minnesota/St Paul. Your borders being infiltrated North and South. And we're 'pussies'?
You can laugh now, but you won't be for long. Now how about contributing to the fight, rather than trying to belittle your comrades?
Posted by: Un:dhimmi [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 12, 2009 4:27 PM
Nobody's "laughing" about this pathetic debacle, which may indeed appear worse on amateur video than it actually was but my God, it does look awful! And you are wrong; it's not yet as bad here as in the U.K. because we have fewer muslim savages. We have a few reputable sources of news in the U.S. so we know what's going on and even the biased, corrupt mainstream media aren't as bad as the BBC. By the way, the Milwaukee Somalian barbarians lost their battle to control the cab business and run it according to their version of islamic law.
We have not yet experienced anything like this in America, not even the recent demonstrations in favor of the benighted Palestinians. I think what has everyone so upset is the absence of outrage on the part of the British people. If crowds of indigenous citizens held rallies and behaved the way these savages did, they would all be arrested and probably imprisoned for inciting racial hatred.
I could be wrong but I don't expect to see muslim mobs threatening the police in America any time soon. I can assure you that if it does happen, the citizen outrage will be heard at all levels of government and our delightful muslim citizens will be even more widely despised. The islamic advocacy thugs might be good at filing lawsuits and engaging in grievance theater but they have absolutely no control over public opinion of islam and muslims.
Posted by: Susanp at January 13, 2009 12:07 AM
The Bobbies were thoroughly humiliated and the British people who saw it must feel demoralized at the utter failure of 'law and order' officials to control the situation, either that there is always the tried and worn out tactic of deflecting the obvious embarrassment it feels on a New York pro-Palestinian protest that turned violent where two Coppers sustained head injuries. I'm fascinated, the New York Cops mix it up and no doubt gave more than they got from the ferals yet some how the interested one sees this as a victory for it own cause. It's sad really...
Posted by: eloivsdiablo at January 13, 2009 12:10 AM
'The protesters, repeatedly shouting "Allahu akbar," throw traffic cones and sticks at the police and taunt them, calling them cowards and "kuffar" (unbelievers).'
I was just reading where the UK Reverend just got sacked and had to apologize for not agreeing with a muslim in a debate, in a debate mind you, that Jesus is just another in a long line of muslim prophets.
Answer please: Doesn't Allah u Akbar mean: Allah is the Greatest - as in the greatest of all Gods? Correct me if I'm wrong, cause I want to know if what I was shown is true.
They shout Allah is the greatest and chase cops off the beat?
Is the shackles of double standard pathetic, or am I just imagining it.
Islam may not be insane, but what the Eu is doing surely is. Their gamble will fail at best, and it could get ugly at worst.
Not being smug, but Quick, redeploy, redeploy, the youts are too mean! Really.
I agree with you RTL.
Posted by: sainte at January 13, 2009 12:12 AM
I misspelled 'youts' on purpose.
Posted by: sainte at January 13, 2009 12:17 AM
I think things like this come from the top. Police and para-military answer to hierarchy.
In the US, even gang-bangers don't mess with cops. Because of no tolerance. Have you seen some of the officers in major cities and even towns, they are for the most big guys, and work out. That said, in sensitive rallies they've turned their backs. I remember one in New York where the Dutch couple was accosted.
If the head is sick, anything may happen. I would have to see it to believe it. Pretty disheartening. Correct decisions have to be made and stood by. But no one wants another Vietnam situation.
But you cannot give ground. Or hell breaks loose. What they're doing is not, giving confidence. I hope they don't do the same in the US, nor should it come to that. Hopefully.
This is why I want to hold national leaders accountable.
Posted by: sainte at January 13, 2009 12:42 AM
Check this video out. A protest for Darfur seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIjxbDVCuho got this response. 400,000 dead, 2.5 million displaced by Islamic jihad, slavery, and violence, and this is the response. Muslims murder, and displace 3 million people in Darfur and this is the protest. 900 people die in Gaza and the world stops on its axis. I'm confused, notice the one post there nine months ago labeled Darfurnews: Hope people see this. Insane.
Posted by: ethoman at January 13, 2009 12:48 AM
Does Interested think Richard the LionHeart is yet another 'ignorant American'?
Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 13, 2009 1:41 AM
Las Vegas should open betting with odds on major cities in the US and in Europe as to which city will first witness riots turning bloody in which ten or more people will be killed in these violent riots (these are riots not protests).
I am betting $10,000 on London! Any other bets? Name the city you want to bet your money on.
Posted by: American at January 13, 2009 2:27 AM
Hmm.. people rounding on Interested instead of discussing the matter in hand - how.. LGF-ish.
Let's not turn JW into another Agree-O-Thon, where any deviation from consensus is rounded upon by a consistent group of 'attack dogs'.
The problems and challenges of the rise of Islam - and the Dhimmi Governments on BOTH sides of the Atlantic that enable and feed it - affect us all.
I do wish some of you could have been at the London demo on Sunday, to see non-Jewish Brits (and in fact people from across the globe) standing along side British Jews in a peaceful but highly effective protest against the Islamo/Leftist thugs. You might not be making such comments as some of those above.
I took some pictures - take a break from sniping at each other and go take a look.
at January 13, 2009 2:29 AM
hmmm.. linky no workee. Pics here
Posted by: Un:dhimmi at January 13, 2009 2:32 AM
Richard the Lionheart - apoligies for the analogy, I'm an Englishman in Scotland, although I think your estimate about a Scottish victory in Culloden had it not been for Scots clans is a little optimistic :-) - the wife has just given me a beating for that comment also so save your fingers!
Posted by: Dan at January 13, 2009 3:07 AM
It is very likely they were ordered not to respond. Given the size of the crowd, unless the authorities were willing to respond in great force, it's likely the decision was made not to respond to 'minor' provocations.
Given how the UK government is bending over backwards in general, why not bend over forwards?
Beyond the traffic cones and scuffles, it was mostly just loud and obnoxious. Until the Brits are willing to sit up and act, this is not big enough.
Considering the claptrap coming from Washington and the soundbites I hear from local, SF Bay Area idiots, they've not even considered that Hamas teaches hate, has vowed no negotiated settlement and pledges the elimination of Israel. Why let facts get in the way of an opinion?
Hamas knows they'll get some cease fire and there is no effective way to stop them from resting and re-arming. Even if you killed every man, woman and child in Gaza, it's an *idea* not individuals.
Maybe someone needs to do the Islamic-invasion version of Red Dawn?
Posted by: LibertarianHomo at January 13, 2009 3:11 AM
hehe, i guess what happend to lebanon now expects europe :D. it will probably happen much faster though... after all, you guys pay them to breed ^^
Posted by: sillywizard at January 13, 2009 3:25 AM
In an orderly democratic society, the right of peaceful protest is accepted. Unfortunately for the citizens of Great Britain, as well as a number of other western European nations the liberal politicans with no sense of national pride, have chosen accomodation over order. In this video, we witness the worst the British society has to offer. The protesters appearing to be a combination of radical Muslim misfits and Non-Muslim anarchists were allowed to go to extremes that no peaceful protest should reach. One thing is clear, the people of Great Britain have lost control of their country. They had better wake up and rid themselves of such conduct before their country becomes a third world cesspool.
Posted by: Dr. PAR at January 13, 2009 4:13 AM
Some of the hysteria on here is silly. A few traffic cones and a small stick got thrown, the police weren't in danger of being harmed unless the situation escelated. If the polce had flipped out and started beating everybody with batons then it WOULD have led to a riot, that would need hundreds of riot police to be deployed and would result in considerable damage to property, not to mention putting them all through the court system etc...
We've seen how much damage riots can cause with the Bradford Race riots with Pakistani's, 300 injured police officers, two police horses stabbed, 297 people arrested, 200 jail sentences totalling over 604 years and 7 million pounds worth of damage to our city center.
What good would escelating the situation do apart from result in craploads of damage to peoples property? I'd quite frankly rather have those protesters OUT of jail, that way if some of them decide to fly out to Afghanistan and join the Taliban we can at least shoot them.
Posted by: Daniel at January 13, 2009 5:10 AM
Let's not turn JW into another Agree-O-Thon, where any deviation from consensus is rounded upon by a consistent group of 'attack dogs'.
Posted by: Un:dhimmi [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 13, 2009 2:29 AM
Although I have had many a heated debate with Interested/Granny Weatherwax/Mary Jackson. I am in agreement with Un:Dhimmi here. Interested can be stupendously wrong at some times, but she is a patriotic soul and a quick mind.
I miss her input to threads and it is good to have someone to bounce conflicting opinions off.
I was, I think the first to post this video on JW back on Saturday and I did email it to Robert. He asked me via email if it was different to video he and Pamela had posted already of London, but time differences meant that I missed the mail. So I am not down playing the significance of the event.
I do think the demo/riot (riot is a bit tenuous here at this stage, see later video though) was serious. Interested is right, however, when she says that the police were following orders, marshaling the crowd to the embassy and quite obviously not trying to provoke the hotheads.
I do think the police response was wrong though, they should have stopped the March reaching the embassy once projectiles were being thrown at the officers. Interested is not the police commissioner, so she is not responsible for what happened. As this war continues to escalate it is important to not get carried away with hysterics. The behavior in the march was only a tiny fraction of what it will be when this issue finally reaches the boil and spills over.
Posted by: km at January 13, 2009 5:13 AM
What good would escelating the situation do apart from result in craploads of damage to peoples property? I'd quite frankly rather have those protesters OUT of jail, that way if some of them decide to fly out to Afghanistan and join the Taliban we can at least shoot them.
Posted by: Daniel [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 13, 2009 5:10 AM
Everyday that we wait to lance the festering boil of Islamic-Jihad, is several more thousand Muhammadan foot soldiers arriving or reverting on UK soil.
That property and financial damage that you are worried about will be much worse the longer we wait.
Posted by: km at January 13, 2009 5:26 AM
Coming late to the debate with so many posts I think most people have missed the point. While the British police are terrified of minorities in general and particularly muslims, on this occasion their brief was not to stop the march but to act more as stewards and escorts.
I would be very surprised if the “Heavy” squad, horses etc were not tucked up some side street in case things got really nasty. Infuriating though their behavior may be it did not constitute a riot. The fact that the muslims and their fellow travellers attacked their protectors is a measure of their aggression, arrogance and stupidity which is probably why the MSM would never show this video.
At the moment the policy seems to be to let them riot while trying to limit the physical damage but video and identify the leaders. Then a week or two later they arrest and jail a selected few. This is what happened after serious rioting in Yorkshire 5-6 years ago when among other things they drove BMW’s out of a showroom before burning it down. Then several “British muslims” skipped to Pakistan when they knew the police were after them. After a couple of months they came back and gave themselves up, they preferred jail in the UK to freedom in Pakistan.
at January 13, 2009 5:30 AM
I am not sure if anyone is still reading this thread or not, but it seems 'what really happened' surrounding this video is a hot topic. I followed this group from their 'formation', and though I fully admit I am not 'omnipresent' in the crowd, I can tell you what I did see.
Last Saturday (the 3rd) Stop the War held a large rally in Trafalgar Square. During this rally, one of the speakers spontaneously announced that after the demo they should 'march on the Israeli Embassy.' This was NOT part of what they had planned, and of course organizers and police were not prepared. Although they had encouraged people to go to the Israeli embassy to protest, they advised them to get there by tube/bus - not to march there as a group. Regardless, this group of a few thousand took it upon themselves to march to the Embassy (oh and btw this group included George Galloway). I followed this group. The crowd was extremely loud, and belligerent at the the front. I fully agree that the police should have pulled out the people from the front of the line who were abusing police. One reason why they may not have is because of where this was taking place. This footage was shot as the crowd was walking through a largely tourist area of London (at this point people were locked in the shops watching from inside as the crowds went by - police must have told them to do this), also going past the Ritz and several major hotels. It appears (although I do not know for sure) that the police were trying to get the crowd out of an area where tourists and 'non protestors' would be put at risk if the situation descended into a riot. Once this crowd was out of the 'tourist' area they were stopped by police. Police repeatedly announced to the crowd that they were clearing a way for them to the embassy, but as the individuals at the front of the crowd became increasingly belligerent the riot police were called in and eventually there was a pushback. While I fully agree that people in this crowd were being abusive and moronic, I think that in this specific situation the police were doing their best to ensure that it did not descend into full scale rioting in front of the Ritz. That said, I would like to know why the police did not charge the speaker who announced the 'spontaneous' march with failing to secure a permit for her protest. This march should have never been allowed to happen in the first place - thousands of other people used public transit to get themselves to the Embassy (where of course, the protest ended in violence anyway). This is a march that police were likely ordered to accomodate, in the hopes of maintaining a peaceful environment, but of course instead they were accused of 'surrounding protestors' (not true) and 'brutality.'
at January 13, 2009 5:31 AM
J
Thank you, such an objective first hand account is invaluable.
Posted by: Fred at January 13, 2009 5:47 AM
I haven't read everything on this thread, but I would say in defence of our Police that if they HAD have rushed the protestors and it turned nasty then THAT footage, and that alone, would have been all over the BBC which would give the impression that the poor ol' Muslims were being targeted by the police. This would have been used as another excuse for "radicalization" by certain high profile Imams and the lefties would side with them.
For all the thosae who have decided that the British Bobbies are "pussies" maybe you should think about what's happening on your own watches - as there is footage also of problems with Muslim "protestors" in the US (for example) with ARMED police just standing around looking dumbfounded.
Civil War is just around the corner in Europe - I've been saying it for a few years now and I'm pretty certain it's beginning now.
Posted by: VampireJack at January 13, 2009 6:07 AM
I am not sure if anyone is still reading this thread or not, but it seems 'what really happened' surrounding this video is a hot topic.
Posted by J
It still looks pretty active to me, thanks for the great first hand account, very informative.
Posted by: km at January 13, 2009 6:13 AM
Interested, Old Perculier, great to see you posting back on JW.
Funny thing is that while I have been pretty fed up with the police, I did recognise what they were doing, I though the police handled a tricky situation rather well and I was impressed with them.
I could not help but feel angry at the way they were attacked, but I read that the police did stop them later.
The current Labour government may be a bunch of surrender merchants and it is possible the Tories under Cameron will be the same, but more and more Brits and Europeans are getting it. I am starting to see hope whereas I had little before, opne thing that you should never forget that religious arrogance is perhaps the worse for creating ruinous over-confidence, true they have played a very skilful game so far, but now the hot heads are now making more of the running, I think its the end of the begining at this point...
Posted by: Daffersd at January 13, 2009 7:28 AM
Thanks J for that that was my impression after seeing the video.
"Civil War is just around the corner in Europe - I've been saying it for a few years now and I'm pretty certain it's beginning now."
Me too
at January 13, 2009 7:30 AM
Civil War is just around the corner in Europe - I've been saying it for a few years now and I'm pretty certain it's beginning now. - Posted by VampireJack
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If that's truly the case, those who love Europe and its heritage and traditions already have their new John Sobieski in Geert Wilders.
But I'm still hopeful that dhimmi politicians, appeasers, modern-day Neville Chamberlains, Eurabia leftards and multiculturalism enthusiasts will get their dues next time they're up for reelection, given how the "religion of peace" has done a great job of exposing itself for what it truly is in this latest round of islamonazi demonstrations across European cities.
Like Hugh said, those mohammedans might have started to wake a lot of people up with their displays of intolerance, anti-Semitism, nazism, racism and love of terrorists. Let those gatherings be publicized, keep them in the spotlight, bring them up next time non-muslim Hamas-sympathizers and sharia enthusiasts are running for office, or reelection.
Posted by: Proud_Kafir7908 at January 13, 2009 7:47 AM
Just for everyone's viewing pleasure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtr-6sWgTEE&eur;
I have to admit the cops do look like pussies in this clip.
Posted by: km at January 13, 2009 8:22 AM
km, come on they were holding their position, the mounted police were moving to charge or threatening them, and anyway a Muslim of LeFascist is hardly going to show the brave brothers running from the police are they in their propoganda.
Posted by: Daffersd at January 13, 2009 8:41 AM
Well...Europe follows its own history. First they follow in the footsteps of Sir Neville...then Sir Winston.
Unfortunately I don't see a Sir Winston anywhere!!
Il Toscano
Posted by: il toscano at January 13, 2009 8:42 AM
Daffersd you are probably right, I still think they should of laid a beating onto them though.
They obviously didn't because if they had it would have been on al-beeb how racist & oppressive the police are.
Posted by: km at January 13, 2009 8:46 AM
km without any doubt that would have happened, the police brutalising the poor downtrodden brothers just like in Gaza..., its interesting as there must be a load of very angry Jihadists, they thought that public opinion would be on their side and the governments would have put more pressure on Israel, and are shocked that they are not, so violence to scare the elites in the richest parts of each capital is their only tool, but that is the sort of action that causes reaction, the rich don't like waht they allow to happen to the rest of us, I wonder if they will keep pushing? Its rather fun to see the elites getting a taste of it...
Posted by: Daffersd at January 13, 2009 9:09 AM
Its rather fun to see the elites getting a taste of it...
Agreed, I think that is why you will see increasing pressure on Israel from them. I have just finished watching the al-beebs video round up and it was nauseating.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7825717.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7822553.stm
Here's hoping they ignore the multicult fetishists and finish the job.
Posted by: km at January 13, 2009 9:36 AM
km, I cannot watch the BBC and your right the pressure as always will be placed on the wrong people, I suppose you could call them right in that Israel will listen to them and Hamas will not, but heres hoping that Israel continue the job, they need to blow those tunnels and all the Hamas scum in them.
Posted by: Daffersd at January 13, 2009 9:52 AM
Sorry for my rather intemperate postings above, in particular to Robert for implying that he was generalising across 60 million people. This was silly.
I still maintain, however, that there has been an overreaction to a short clip in the absence of full knowledge of what happened. Full details have been provided by J above at 5.31 am. It accords with what I suspected.
It seems that the police were doing their best to maintain calm. The mistake was to assume that a protest involving Jihad could ever be peaceful.
Posted by: Interested at January 13, 2009 10:46 AM
Interested...I liked your sign off post last night...Told me right where you are coming from...Thanks for clearing that up...I'm off to another thread...
Posted by: duh_swami at January 13, 2009 12:18 PM
Good points made by all (or almost) on both sides.
This discussion has shown how difficult it is to reconcile the need for free expression and law & order in a potentially violent mass confrontation.
Be thankful we did not control the demonstration like this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJBnHMpHGRY&feature=related
Posted by: StephenA55 at January 13, 2009 12:43 PM
Richard, My Lionhearted friend... I realize you are basing your ideas on personal experience, as am I. I am former military/LEO. And I agree with you in some aspect that SOME WOMEN should NOT be on the frontlines, just as I agree SOME WOMEN should not be in LE positions that require brute strength and sound mind. While we are nurturers by nature, there are some of us that embody a strong warrior code and stance. I am one of those women. Thusly, I have also seen many men that could NOT or would NOT do what was necessary to "get the job done" and make sure they had their fellow soldiers or cops back. I was shot on the job because such a man. Had he shot first, that gobshite would have never shot me. But that is another discussion all together. I am not offended by what you said, I have had this discussion with many of my friends and family (all military), they know me and what I am capable of. I am not a weak woman, though I can be tender at heart. PS, Richard... your comments on what happened with Scotland, my applause to you sir for showing that history will repeat itself, over and over, if we do not mind it well.
RIOTS can happen very suddenly, any supposed "peaceful" rally or march is fully capable of erupting into a full scale riot by just a word or gesture, gasoline on a fire. When these rallies are organized and there is a police presence, they should have control of the crowd before it needs controlling. They should be prepared for any violence that may ensue...ANY VIOLENCE! While I am all for peaceful assembly, voicing one's opinion, I am not for disrespect, distruction of property and death of innocents or LEO/soldiers that are there to protect all involved, whether it is the protesters or the people they are protesting.
Lambasting LEO is not the way to solve this particular problem, supporting them through legislation and publicly, is important. Yes, there a few bad apples even in their ranks, but tying their hands and taking their rights makes them just as vulnerable as the average citizen. Thusly, it breaks down the security of our streets and our military, because invariably our troops' hands are tied in combat and are forced to engage the enemy with a PC way of thinking. It is very counterproductive and destructive!
It is easy to stand on the sidelines and critique the methods used in these situations. Having been involved in a few of my own as a LEO, I have literally seen where the nucleus of a RIOT is. When that was available to us, we took that person OUT, fast and quietly. Many depts. do it that way....yes, it can an even greater adverse affect but most of the time it does help quash the rabblerouzers a lot faster.
LEOs are not perfect, they are human beings just like the rest of ... which a lot of people tend to forget. Give them a break. It is a thankless and underpaid job. For every "thank you" I ever got, there were a 1,000 POS's that I had to deal with that would rather spit in my face, fight me or try to shoot me. Our conduct and how we police is governed by politicians (the chiefs, commissioners all the way to Federal govt). It's easy for Americans to lambast the British cops but guess what, we are just as guilty in this country of not supporting our cops and we also voted those liberal leaning politicians into office who so gladly take away the rights of cops!
Furthermore, keep this in mind... many departments are undertrained and underequipped because the funding is NOT THERE! Many LEOs take it upon themselves to get training in many arenas, much to their own expense. A prime example is where actor David Spade bought AR15s for the Phoenix, AZ officers because they had to deal with heavily armed perps. The dept didn't have the funding and pistols against heavy armament is like throwing a stick at a lion!
Posted by: Saoirse at January 13, 2009 1:27 PM
Saoirse,
Thank you for your detailed reply. I suppose the situation is this; As a general rule of the law of Nature, Man is physically superior and far more ferocious than his female counterpart. So on stating that it means that your average man compared to your average woman will always win over on the physicality/ferocity level. Correct?
The Police and the Armed Forces(well the Army) are really the ones that need the strongest and the best in order for that outfit to survive. I know in America the Armed Forces(army based) are divided into US Army and other more elite branches(green berets, Airborne rangers, commandos, delta force etc etc). There are also the special elites of the Navy as well such as the navy Seals and the not elite marine corps. Here in the UK, you will know that we have our regiments in the Army of the Four nations. In Scotland we 'had' regiments such as the Black Watch, the Gordon highlanders, which are now all being amalgamated thanks to our disastrous NuLabour government. We also have English regiments such as the Paratroop Regiment, regular army etc etc and then we also have the Navy's troops - the Royal Marines and the Royal Marine Commandos. We also have the SAS and the SBS. My point is, that it takes a certain kind of man to become a soldier. It takes and exceptionally different type of woman to follow suit and she must be far better than the average female with which to get in. She would need to be super fit and exceptionally strong.
My point is as I've already said the percentage of average women to average men joining the forces will always be far lower.
I will however always maintain that women should not be on the front line as for reasons discussed. For example the Royal Marines in the UK train with a bergen(rucksack) of anything between 50-120lbs. Now considering that your average woman weighs around that, the chances of a woman being able to march/run for hours on end with that in their backs is a no no. Even men struggle but then most Royal Marines are big lads. All I'm really saying Saoirse is you cannot fight Human nature. Man and woman can be equal in brainpower but not physicality. By allowing women into the forces, standards are dropped with which to accommodate them. Since the increase of women in the Army we have seen more discrimination cases brought by women. This overall damages it and greatly lowers the skill of the armed forces.
Now to counterbalance my argument, I will say that I have known 'large' girls, who are strong and are martial artists. I've seen them able to handle themselves in fight situations but overall this was a very, very small percentage of women overall. By law in the UK, we have to have women door staff in order to stop and search, but they really are pretty useless in a fight situation, unless they're, as I've said before, very skilled in martial arts.
However, I congratulate you on your history. I also know leo women and they are an exception to the norm. It's the fire inside them that can also be seen in Aries women as well.
Last but not least, the Scotland issue is always something close to my heart. I've read up greatly on my history and the battles, not forgetting clans, clan loyalties and great Scots of the past in warfare. I know Dan didn't mean any insult in his comment, about Edward Longshanks and I don't mean anything either by stating that Scotland, had they united the clans, would have destroyed the English aristocracy and their Lords in battle. However, they would have and that's the point. This also rallies through to today. The failure of the Scots is attributable to greed. The Scottish lairds/Clan Chiefs were always in conflict with one another and in doing so, the English Kings new that to keep them divided was the best chance they had to stop a strong Scotland and of course a threat to their crown. Hence going back to Longshanks, he bought Scottish Lairds asking them to stay out of any conflict should other clans have a problem with the English. This echoed throughout Scotland's turbulent past from the Dark Ages through the Middle Ages. Part of Scotland's chiefs were aligned to Scotland and the other to the English throne.
Scottish history is always worth knowing because in it we can see the deceit that lives today. The most important lesson we can learn are the divisions amongst the Scottish Clans. This is happening now. Everyone is vying for power and yet they are ignoring who's coming in through the back door. History continually repeats itself and we never learn from our mistakes. We could easily have peace if we learned and followed from what has happened, however, as what always happens, someone always comes along and wants to ignore history thinking that their idea has never been thought of before for Utopia. Inevitably it's the Socialists, the left who think they know better and we always end up paying the same price - peace - war - peace.
I dont' know what's to become of the UK really. There are many angry people here that's for sure and I really have to say that I don't think it will 'kick off' I know it will kick off and the punishments for those who sold us out for personal gain will pay the highest price of all. That's certain.
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at January 13, 2009 6:54 PM
Richard...with the Heart of a Lion! While I will not concede to your argument, sir, I will no longer debate it with you. LOL
My bf is a Scotsman and I have learned it is pointless to argue with your ilk! I say that with tongue in cheek. ; )
I understand the divisiveness of the English back then, they did it to us Irish as well. And the clans couldnt get their act together either, they were their own worst enemy and like the Scots, out of greed.
I would love to continue this conversation with you but I do not know how to pass my email to you or yahoo messenger id onto you without telling the whole damn reader list!
Until we meet again, sir!
at January 13, 2009 8:59 PM
Hi Richard, Saoirse
I might have mentioned this before, but I've got Scots and Irish ancestors too - Irish ancestors from County Tyrone, Scots ancestors from Glasgow and Perthshire, one ancestor was born within sight of Dunnottar castle - as well as English, German and Danish. My Scots grandmother was born at Crianlarich. My paternal grandparents used to play recordings of Scots and Irish folk songs and bagpipe music, and recite bits of Robbie Burns; and my favourite hymns are Irish.
Indeed, one of my personal ambitions this year is to make a serious attempt at learning Scots Gaelic and Irish Gaelic (which is why, Saoirse, I know that your nom de plume means 'freedom'...).
As for women in war: the only reason the Israelis survived in 1948 was because every person who could carry a gun, did; and they fought like tigers. The undercover journalist John Roy Carlson met a 3-months-pregnant Haganah girl, survivor of the concentration camps, holed up on a Jerusalem rooftop with her husband, both of them sniping away; he also describes the Palmach youngsters, men and women together (again, because every person had to fight and win, otherwise they all faced the prospect of being massacred by the Muslims).
Just as women manned the radar rooms in WWII (as shown in Battle of Britain), today there are Jewish mommas in nice air-conditioned offices, looking down on Gaza through the eyes of some of those UAVs, observing, analysing, and feeding the information to their men on the ground...
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 14, 2009 3:36 AM
Got to remember that the UK bobbies unlike American police do not carry guns. If a riot like that broke out on American soil, it would be supressed very fast by police and swat teams.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at January 14, 2009 6:04 AM
Got to remember that the UK bobbies unlike American police do not carry guns. If a riot like that broke out on American soil, it would be supressed very fast by police and swat teams. - Posted by: bigcatgirl13106
Not true anymore, at least according to this video:
The British Called and they want their guns back
Why is it that British police carry tasers and USE them against a frail 89 year old elderly man, yet do not make use of it in circumstances involving youthful protesters whose behavior is clearly escalating to dangerous proportions as presented in Spencer's posted video?
Police fire Taser at man, 89, who fled care home
Talk about disproportionate response!
Posted by: heroyalwhyness at January 14, 2009 10:47 AM
When it comes to British police the majority do not carry guns - but we do have trained marksmen who do carry them, but they generally don't go on the beat. The majority of british police are armed with a single tonfa (nightstick) or truncheon, maybe some pepper spray, but that's about it.
Whenever we have gun crime the armed response units are sent. We also have armed police who protect places like Parliament and other places of importance - these are also the same police who use tazers - again, it's not really the typical bobby on the beat who is armed with these, only a small percentage of the force.
When it comes to citizens with guns, it really only was people like farmers and members of gun clubs who could legally have fire-arms - unlike the US the general British population didn't have the right to bear (sp?) arms.
Obviously there have been guns on the streets for years - but it's only in the last few years since our borders have been torn apart that guns have really flooded into the country.
Back onto the topic of the "coward police" I'm pretty certain though if the order had been given to "deal" with the crowd (if they had gotten extremely out of hand) they would have called in back-up and would have dealt with the situation; we haven't really had too much of a problem with rioters for a while, but I'm pretty certain the people in charge will soon start retraining the police in how to deal with riots which are just around the corner. As Jigsaw once said "yes, there will be blood......"
at January 14, 2009 1:15 PM
When it comes to British police the majority do not carry guns - but we do have trained marksmen who do carry them, but they generally don't go on the beat. The majority of british police are armed with a single tonfa (nightstick) or truncheon, maybe some pepper spray, but that's about it.
Whenever we have gun crime the armed response units are sent. We also have armed police who protect places like Parliament and other places of importance - these are also the same police who use tazers - again, it's not really the typical bobby on the beat who is armed with these, only a small percentage of the force.
When it comes to citizens with guns, it really only was people like farmers and members of gun clubs who could legally have fire-arms - unlike the US the general British population didn't have the right to bear (sp?) arms.
Obviously there have been guns on the streets for years - but it's only in the last few years since our borders have been torn apart that guns have really flooded into the country.
Back onto the topic of the "coward police" I'm pretty certain though if the order had been given to "deal" with the crowd (if they had gotten extremely out of hand) they would have called in back-up and would have dealt with the situation; we haven't really had too much of a problem with rioters for a while, but I'm pretty certain the people in charge will soon start retraining the police in how to deal with riots which are just around the corner. As Jigsaw once said "yes, there will be blood......"
at January 14, 2009 1:37 PM
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