After America

How does the world look in an age of U.S. decline? Dangerously unstable.

BY ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI | JAN/FEB 2012

Not so long ago, a high-ranking Chinese official, who obviously had concluded that America's decline and China's rise were both inevitable, noted in a burst of candor to a senior U.S. official: "But, please, let America not decline too quickly." Although the inevitability of the Chinese leader's expectation is still far from certain, he was right to be cautious when looking forward to America's demise.

For if America falters, the world is unlikely to be dominated by a single preeminent successor -- not even China. International uncertainty, increased tension among global competitors, and even outright chaos would be far more likely outcomes.

While a sudden, massive crisis of the American system -- for instance, another financial crisis -- would produce a fast-moving chain reaction leading to global political and economic disorder, a steady drift by America into increasingly pervasive decay or endlessly widening warfare with Islam would be unlikely to produce, even by 2025, an effective global successor. No single power will be ready by then to exercise the role that the world, upon the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, expected the United States to play: the leader of a new, globally cooperative world order. More probable would be a protracted phase of rather inconclusive realignments of both global and regional power, with no grand winners and many more losers, in a setting of international uncertainty and even of potentially fatal risks to global well-being. Rather than a world where dreams of democracy flourish, a Hobbesian world of enhanced national security based on varying fusions of authoritarianism, nationalism, and religion could ensue.

The leaders of the world's second-rank powers, among them India, Japan, Russia, and some European countries, are already assessing the potential impact of U.S. decline on their respective national interests. The Japanese, fearful of an assertive China dominating the Asian mainland, may be thinking of closer links with Europe. Leaders in India and Japan may be considering closer political and even military cooperation in case America falters and China rises. Russia, while perhaps engaging in wishful thinking (even schadenfreude) about America's uncertain prospects, will almost certainly have its eye on the independent states of the former Soviet Union. Europe, not yet cohesive, would likely be pulled in several directions: Germany and Italy toward Russia because of commercial interests, France and insecure Central Europe in favor of a politically tighter European Union, and Britain toward manipulating a balance within the EU while preserving its special relationship with a declining United States. Others may move more rapidly to carve out their own regional spheres: Turkey in the area of the old Ottoman Empire, Brazil in the Southern Hemisphere, and so forth. None of these countries, however, will have the requisite combination of economic, financial, technological, and military power even to consider inheriting America's leading role.

China, invariably mentioned as America's prospective successor, has an impressive imperial lineage and a strategic tradition of carefully calibrated patience, both of which have been critical to its overwhelmingly successful, several-thousand-year-long history. China thus prudently accepts the existing international system, even if it does not view the prevailing hierarchy as permanent. It recognizes that success depends not on the system's dramatic collapse but on its evolution toward a gradual redistribution of power. Moreover, the basic reality is that China is not yet ready to assume in full America's role in the world. Beijing's leaders themselves have repeatedly emphasized that on every important measure of development, wealth, and power, China will still be a modernizing and developing state several decades from now, significantly behind not only the United States but also Europe and Japan in the major per capita indices of modernity and national power. Accordingly, Chinese leaders have been restrained in laying any overt claims to global leadership.

At some stage, however, a more assertive Chinese nationalism could arise and damage China's international interests. A swaggering, nationalistic Beijing would unintentionally mobilize a powerful regional coalition against itself. None of China's key neighbors -- India, Japan, and Russia -- is ready to acknowledge China's entitlement to America's place on the global totem pole. They might even seek support from a waning America to offset an overly assertive China. The resulting regional scramble could become intense, especially given the similar nationalistic tendencies among China's neighbors. A phase of acute international tension in Asia could ensue. Asia of the 21st century could then begin to resemble Europe of the 20th century -- violent and bloodthirsty.

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Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security advisor under U.S. President Jimmy Carter, is author of the forthcoming book Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power.

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ZERGE

11:30 PM ET

January 2, 2012

A declining elephant

A declining elephant is still an elephant, and will be able to kick anybody's butt for the forseeable future.
In the future, the US may not have the military might to take and hold ground, but I believe they will always have the capability of blasting away anyone with missiles, drones, and soon, space weapons and killer robots.

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SAULPAULUS

2:51 PM ET

January 6, 2012

Old enough to remember unilateralism that led to 1970s malaise

It was unilateralism in southeast Asia that led to the decline in America's standing in the late '70s. It was Reagan's dramatic increases in defense spending along with his large tax cuts that began the increased deficit spending that has hurt America's position in dealing with China.

It was GWB's unilateralism and misguided tax and financial regulation policies that have wrecked America's economy and standing in the world. Only in the eyes of right wing extremists would centrists like Obama and Carter be seen as left wing extremists.

Yes, 2012 will be a critical election but it is right wing extremism that needs to be kicked to the curb. The US needs to restore the place of soft power and foreign aid in promoting US interests. We will never be able to build enough weapons and munitions to defeat all of our potential enemies if we rely on the miltary to project US foreign policy.

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NEEL288

10:34 AM ET

January 3, 2012

The world after America

The Americans are a great nation with great people. Everything about America is great, except its foreign policies, Vietnam, Cambodia, Central America, Iraq, Afghanistan are just a few examples.

Due to its poor show on the Foreign policy front in the past few decades, the US have lost its moral ground and legitimacy as the world leader. This article looks like acknowledgement of the fact that America can not engineer and impose its own vision on the rest of the world. This article seems like an attempt by the author to sell the idea to the world that a world with American dominance is a preferred one than being multi polar, which would lead to chaos. Clearly, the author can not see beyond the chaos and fails to recognize that after every chaos there would be an order with distribution and balance of power.

America's fortunes has been made by the blood and sweat of the teachers in the schools and colleges, the scientists, engineers, doctors, and the people working in the factories and businesses. In case of a premature decline in the fortunes of America, it is the power hungry arrogant people like Kissinger and Brzezinski, who took a free ride of America's fortunes and failed to respect the aspirations of the rest of the world, would be held accountable by posterity.

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DAVEMCLANE

1:01 PM ET

January 3, 2012

Oxymoron

"the leader of a new, globally cooperative world order" looks like an oxymoron. Facilitator (someone who makes progress easier) perhaps but leader (the person who leads or commands a group, organization, or country) is simply same old same old.

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VALWAYNE

1:38 PM ET

January 3, 2012

American Decline and Obama?

Obama has been in office for 3 years, and already his policies of massive wasted corrupt spending, nation destroying debt, and foreign policy of bows, apology, and appeasment have everyone assuming and discussing Americas rapid and inevitable decline as if it were an established fact. I'm now old enough to remember a previous period of malaise in 1979/1980 when another failed President had the world talking about the coming demise of the U.S. in Global Affairs with the Soviets on the move militarily and the Japanese economically. American reversed that by kicking its failed political leadership to the curb in 1980 and choosing a man with confidence in our history rather than apologies, and faith in the ability of the American people, not the government, to overcome all obtacles. Yes, Ronald Reagan. A generation of prosperity and strength followed his Presidency. We can do it again. We don't have to let Obama drive our nation any further down the road to decline and despair. If we can kick our extreme left wing failed political Leadership/Obama to the curb again, and elect a President that isn't ashamed of our nation, who believes in our ability to grow and compete we can continue to lead the world to new heights of peace and prosperity. Nov 2012 will be a critical election. If Obama wins America loses. Decline and Despair will be our fate!

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JKK1943

4:28 PM ET

January 3, 2012

American decline

It is uniquely fitting that the last period of American Decline and Malaise occurred under the author Zbigniew Brezenskis boss Jimmy Carter.

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DA'UD MUAD'DIB

2:39 PM ET

January 21, 2012

Obama, Really?

Do you really believe that the current talk of the decline of the United States started after Obama took office? It hasn't been the policies of this president that have led to a massive deficit or the collapse of our housing, financial and job markets. It wasn't under this president that we became the great debtor nation to the Chinese that we are today. Did he start two wars that we were neither prepared to give our all for nor able to pay for. This president has spent three years trying to clean up the multiple messes he inherited at the same time that he on the one hand tries to take care of the men and women who served us so valiantly and the unfortunate citizens who have lost their careers and homes due to this down turn. On the other hand tries to mend the many international bridges that we burnt when we tried to buy or bully our way in convincing the rest of the world that we weren’t war mongers but the aggrieved when we launched an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation. The question today isn’t who is to blame for the mess we are in but who is best prepared to lead us to the next stage. Of the last five presidents three sent us either into debt or war. The last three presidents from one party led us into dept and or war while the mess left was cleaned up by the next presidents of the other party. With this track record I would look closely at what we are told will lead us to the other side.

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JKK1943

4:25 PM ET

January 3, 2012

AFTER AMERICA

Jimmy Carter's former Secretary of Defense does the impossible, he authors a credible article about the decline of US power without mentioning its main architect, Barrack H. Obama. Obama has apologized about American Foreign power, even going so far as to petition the Japanese government for an invitation to attend the 65th anniversary of Hiroshima in order to apologize for our use of the first atom bomb. Thankfully the Japanese, having a more realistic sense of history than our feckless leader, turned Obama down. Obama has weakened our economy through endless rounds of ill conceived Keynesian spending and now threatens to throw away the hard earned gains in Iraq and Afganistan by withdrawals dictated by the political calendar rather than military strategy. This creature of the faculty lounge and the chicago community organizing culture should have never been elected president. Lets hope we can start undoing the damage in January of 2013.

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NEUNUEBEL

7:21 PM ET

January 3, 2012

Does it matter

Does it really matter that America has supremely? We'll probably continue to be #1 in some things and not in others. We haven't been #1 in crude oil production for some time. Brazil seems to be supreme in natural recourses,Chinam to be sure, in cheap labor. I'm not sure the people of France or even Germany lose much sleep not being the #1 economy in e world.

It would seem to me a global interrelationship is what we're heading for and I'm not sure I feel very troubled by it.

Zig states, "A waning United States would likely be more nationalistic, more defensive about its national identity, more paranoid about its homeland security....". It seems to me we're already there with what Obama signed on New Years eve.

I'm really not worried that we're not #1. We might become less arrogant too.

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WILLIAMDEANAGARNER

9:57 PM ET

January 3, 2012

Brzezinski and The First Sphere of Influence

Who Really Owns Your Gold: The Intended Global Meltdown of 2012 is a far better read than anything by the author of this propaganda piece.

In the least, GOLD explains who's at the helm of this scuttled ship, The USS America, and they're a dynastic group of men who reside in Rome. And I don't mean the Vatican. . . .

GOLD also reveals their pattern of destroying good countries, how they do it, and what We The People can do to counter their moves, although we're already in the 11th hour.

It's Nazi Germany all over again and most fail to see it coming. Based on the comments from you people, you're in that same lifeboat of doomed "survivors."

Here's a sitrep: Brzezinski is merely a modern-day Nazi who's never even been in a fist fight in his life, yet he's presided over the murder of millions of innocent people.

He is a wannabe Heydrich, but with a small exception: Reinhard knew how to throw a punch and he looked *good* in black.

Most people do not see this horror coming, but it really doesn't matter now, does it?

The First Sphere of Influence is in the house and they're not moving without a concerted fight.

Question is: who's gonna fight them?

*You* talking heads?

Methinks not.

Happy New Year,

William Dean A. Garner

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MESSUP

4:11 PM ET

January 4, 2012

America's demise

This analysis runs parallel to another from history... about 100B.C. to, say, 51A.D.

But given America's penchant for Empire building, it's demise is guaranteed...as happened several times before: case in point.

Players in this drama were:
1) Julius Ceasar - Supreme Leader
2) Crassus - Political & financial supporter of Ceasar
3) Pompey - sided with (optimates) conservative and aristocratic faction of Roman Senate.
4) Populist Tactics - opposition to optimates conservative interests of the senatorial elite.
5) Conservative opposition - to the Senate Elite
6) Centralization of ALL government bureaucracy
7) Coup d'Etat to restore Constitutional Governance. To no avail, corruption continued.

About People's Assemblies (No.4), were against slaves taking citizens job opportunities. Much like USA's battle over immigration currently waged in States and Federal level.

This story, historically, is repeating itself...except in modern terms of top down, command economies instead of "laissez faire" capitalistic political/economic decision-making.

One has to agree with this author, We The Elite People of Washington DC's culture of corruption is seeing to it...America WILL repeat Roman Empire history...and sink.

America's Federal Government is well on the way to sinking of this Titanic. Only salvation are States seceeding from the Union, just like life boats leaving a sinking vessel. God Bless America.

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VICTORIA72

8:09 PM ET

January 5, 2012

a demise that will be repeated globally...

It's a shame that once the fall of rome has been repeated all the resources that allowed it's rise in the first place will have been depleted permantently. Enjoy yourselves - whilst these most likely will not be the last days they will be the best days for a long time.

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ÜBERBLICK

4:21 PM ET

January 4, 2012

America at the crossroad

There are various contengencies still at play, even though this perspective seems to have taken into account the interests of today key players on the world stage. What are the kinds of vision that emerge and ought to emerge from America and especially from its political leadership fit to address the issues adumbrated in this thoughtful piece? The one embraced by President Obama and the current administration or ... the sorts of wishful thinking that seem to obsess the racers in the ongoing GOP primaries? The recent past debate over the debt ceiling issue, as economic and geopolitical reference, is enough to help one makes his or her mind up. The alternatives: whether to stay the course while working harder or to reverse it and put in jeopardy not just the tiny progress in world affairs made since 2008, but also the best prospects for America and the rest of the world that would nolens volens ensue. Time has come to see whether America is in fact enough mature for its role on the world stage since the fall of the Iron Curtain. Dear American friends, do not make a mistake, this is still an unresolved matter, despite all what you can fancy about yourselves !

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AUTO PEçAS

8:41 PM ET

January 4, 2012

Decline and Obama?

I'm now old enough to remember a previous period of malaise in 1979/1980 when another failed President had the world talking about the coming demise of the U.S. in Global Affairs with the Soviets on the move militarily and the Japanese economically. We can do it again. We don't have to let Obama drive our nation any further down the road to decline and despair. If we can kick our extreme left wing failed political Leadership/Obama to the curb again, and elect a President that isn't ashamed of our nation, who believes in our ability to grow and compete we can continue to lead the world to new heights of peace and prosperity. Nov 2012 will be a critical election....
pecas
aeronaves

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KEYBASHER

11:38 AM ET

January 6, 2012

Yo, Zbiggy!

Tell your Chinese acquaintances they're headed for a bumpy crossroads, never mind America. The ten years after hosting an Olympics are fatal to one-party states as Berlin, Moscow and Sarajevo attest. Let's hope the powers-that-be in Beijing manage the regime change smoothly for once in their careers.

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SAULPAULUS

2:54 PM ET

January 6, 2012

The reports of America's demise are premature

With intelligent economic and fiscal reform at home and a much greater emphasis on soft power abroad, the US can turn things around. It is also by no means certain that the authoritarian PRC will continue onward and upward. I like the US's chances better actually.

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HECTORGREG11

2:05 PM ET

January 7, 2012

who cares?

The US has been on top for so long that it really needs a dose of reality...it is surprising that this makes the news, the whole world is changing day in and day out...the games has changed folks.

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MARTY MARTEL

4:56 PM ET

January 7, 2012

US has promoted China to a super power status

Even though Mr. Brzezinski does not want to acknowledge it, US has literally promoted China to a super power status.

World history will record last forty years as the most momentous for the very fact that balance of power has started to shift from West to East because of West’s leader embracing China to counter Russia in 1972.

Afterall China was a pariah country in the world just like today’s North Korea until Nixon’s 1972 visit. All the West European and East Asian countries stayed away from China following the US lead until 1972 and embraced China after Nixon’s visit. While US would not give MFN status to Soviet Union (remember Jackson-Vanik amendment?) unless Russia shed Communism, it had no problem giving it to China’s Communist dictators with a capitalist mask. Trade with China expanded by leaps and bounds during 12 years of Republican rule beginning in 1981. After campaigning against butchers of Beijing in 1992 elections, even Bill Clinton became enthusiastic supporter of trade with China once he took lessons in foreign policy from Nixon in early 1993 during a special Whitehouse-arranged meeting. US also promoted China to a super power status by accepting it as a permanent UNSC member.

Had it not been for that Nixon embrace in 1972, China’s rise to super power status would have been far more slower with all the US, West European and East Asian markets closed to cheap Chinese products. Had it not been for that Nixon embrace, China’s technological progress would have been far slower in the absence of West’s technology transfers. Had it not been for that Nixon embrace, China’s military progress would have been far slower in the absence of huge forex reserves that China accumulated from the massive exports of cheap Chinese products and China used those forex reserves to acquire latest military technology.

Now China has US by the tail - US businesses are hooked to huge profits that cheap Chinese products generate for them as a walk through any Walmart, Home Depot, Sears and Macy’s filled with Chinese goods prove and US government is hooked to huge investments that China makes in US governmental securities from the sales of cheap Chinese products to US businesses.

China’s power is multiplying day by day and now there is NO power on earth capable to stop China.

Little could Mao or Deng have imagined that by wearing a capitalist mask, their followers will beat capitalists at their own game. Lenin used to say that ’capitalists will sell us the ropes with which we will hang them’. With West selling such proverbial ropes in the form of technology transfers, Chinese Communists have proven that Lenin saying quite prophetic.

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XYBER

11:35 PM ET

January 7, 2012

Thanks

Little could Mao or Deng have imagined that by wearing a capitalist mask, their followers will beat capitalists at their own game. Lenin used to say that ’capitalists will sell us the ropes with which we will hang them’. With West selling such proverbial ropes in the form of technology transfers, Chinese Communists have proven that Lenin saying quite prophetic.

Lezbiyen

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DIANA RELKE

2:08 AM ET

January 11, 2012

Mr Zbig

Zbig is operating under the old power paradigm, but there is not a lot of evidence that this paradigm still works. While I admire his intelligence and respect his hawkishness, I can't say that I participate in the former or agree with the latter.

There is a desire for a new model of international relations percolating. What we really don't need is someone who interprets it only in military terms. There has to be some new kind of leadership.

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09BAYKID

1:18 AM ET

January 14, 2012

America Needs Dreams To Emerge

Several key aspects for the US military superiority: Nuke powered Subs, force power projection, world wide bases, full spectrum dominance, and network cententric warfare operations as well as global command and control. No others can compete. We spend alot on the mil and. You get what you pay for... however, back on the home front in America:
People used to identify themselves with their labor, and with their community.
Community was destroyed so that corporations could sell you something else in replacement, usually entertainment and malls. I seen a post on mamaws primitives website about how the labor was destroyed so that corporations could more easily export work to countries with more pliable laws and labor relations.

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JAC323

12:04 AM ET

January 22, 2012

Did Nero ever put down his fiddle as Rome burned?

An overextended empire, could it end any other way? This country has followed the ideas you have put forward in the Grand Chessboard quite closely do you now think that this was all a big mistake? Way are you complaining about a declining empire when you and your elite friends have lead us here? You don't think for a moment that you will get a one world government, do you? That was always a pipe dream.

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09BAYKID

12:43 PM ET

January 24, 2012

Americas growth

f America doesn’t get off its back side then you might call china the big brother, but when little brother who has been brought up on a western appetite grows up in ten years he will value human life and precious human time to live and injoy life no longer willing to work 15 hours a day for A 1$ an hour and with there cracks and gangarous industrial waste witch is already a ticking time bomb they will no longer be able to undercut there people and the world and the power and very aligably so will go to Australia.Parent plus loan victory to the victor on behalf of victoria Rome 2012 Ozzy no.1 Romainia, Germainia, Britaina, America, India , Asia, Australasia, Australia, you betta fucking pray America Dosn’t go down because who ever brings them down tows the cart and ther is to much weight for a emotionaly untested new western member. you try and wake up for work when your western miss’s has yelled her head off at you all night for getting her the wrong coloured gift. Man the Chinese don’t know what there dealing with in that respect and you can’t kill everyone. you can’t even open your mouth at them the wrong way or its no work for the worker because he is in jail, bla bla bla

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TOMMYER

8:50 AM ET

January 26, 2012

American Foreign power

About American Foreign power, even going so far as to petition the Japanese government for an invitation to attend the 65th anniversary of Hiroshima in order to apologize for our use of the first atom bomb. juice fountain plus

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