Add this to the spiraling costs of refusing to deal with the spread of the jihad ideology in Britain and the U.S. I'm glad they caught this plot and hope they catch them all; but nothing is being done to stop the ideology that inspires such plots from spreading in Western mosques and Islamic schools. From AP:
Officials raised security to its highest level in Britain and banned carry-on luggage on all flights. Huge crowds formed at security barriers at London's Heathrow airport as officials searching for explosives barred nearly every form of liquid outside of baby formula.The extreme measures at a major international aviation hub sent ripples throughout the world. Heathrow was closed to most flights from Europe, and British Airways canceled all its flights between the airport and points in Britain, Europe and Libya. Numerous flights from U.S. cities to Britain were canceled.
Washington raised its threat alert to its highest level for commercial flights from Britain to the United States amid fears the plot had not been completely crushed. The alert for all flights coming or going from the United States was also raised slightly.
Two U.S. counterterrorism officials said the terrorists had targeted United Airlines, American Airlines and Continental Airlines. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.
Why is Pakistan an ally of the U.S and Britan. India has been re-iterating for years that Pakistan sponsors terrorism and yet nobody has done anything about this.
An excerpt from BBC:
"According to BBC sources the "principal characters" suspected of being involved in the plot were British-born. There are also understood to be links to Pakistan. "
Why is Pakistan an ally of the U.S and Britan. India has been re-iterating for years that Pakistan sponsors terrorism and yet nobody has done anything about this.
An excerpt from BBC:
"According to BBC sources the "principal characters" suspected of being involved in the plot were British-born. There are also understood to be links to Pakistan. "
Why is Pakistan an ally of the U.S and Britan. India has been re-iterating for years that Pakistan sponsors terrorism and yet nobody has done anything about this.
An excerpt from BBC:
"According to BBC sources the "principal characters" suspected of being involved in the plot were British-born. There are also understood to be links to Pakistan. "
It makes me wonder where and what were the targets. At least 20 simultaneous explosions, do you think the LLL would understand jihad?
/no, it would still be our fault
"....but nothing is being done to stop the ideology that inspires such plots from spreading in Western mosques and Islamic schools."-Robert
As I said in a comment on earlier thread...
The children's fable Rumplestilskin points out that the consequence of not naming an enemy must be to give the enemy power. The motives of some in the elites (especially in Europe)in not naming the enemy may not be all about "tolerance"-it may be about more power for them-and an agenda that includes antisemitism. Violent Islam is a temporary ally to some in govt and elsewhere who have a hidden agenda.
They must be made to name the enemy-or else they must tell us why they want the enemy empowered.
Long waits in airports and other inconveniences, not to mention billions of dollars spent every year on added security....All so we can have Muslims living in our countries.
Some things just ain't worth it. And this is one of those things.
Islam should be shipped out of the West. It contributes nothing positive to society.
U.K. Jihad Terror Plot Foiled: A Reminder of the Threat
If I am at the airport, I am not standing in the crowd.
I would send MI5 a thank you note.
I would send a letter to the airport officials suggesting they unload the the Muslim screeners and baggage employees.
I would also suggest profiling should be mandatory.
Deportation of all Muslims found to be in violation of their visas should be mandatory.
No doubt CAIR will reminds us to be calm and not pre-judge the people behind the terrorism, innocent until proven guilty , unless you're upset at the middle east issue and go on a rampage shooting jews at a obviously marked Jewish org. building...then you're a crazed gunmen with no link to Islam.
Yesterday I saw a lebanese-Canadian declare Hezbollah a Resistance group that only reacts
to invaders and aggressors.
Hezbollah is a threat to all democracies , is we let Israel fall we will be next.
I'm glad that someone is checking this stuff. In fact, every single airport in the world should.
To explain how easy it is to make a liquid bomb, check-out this website for a legitimate Canadian manufacturer.
http://www.fixor.com/FIXOR_Media.html
Mind you the clients use this for de-mining (which is a good thing), but in the wrong hands??
If one terrorist carries one of the ingredients, and another carries the other, and both get on the plane undetected, kaboom.
Saw this on msnbc.com
Aug. 10: President Bush says the foiled terrorist plot in London was a “stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists.”
Hoo rah!
Name the enemy.
Now, don't go and aplogize for what he said today Condolleza =)
"Foiled airliner attacks had 'hallmarks' of al-Qaeda (2nd Roundup)"
Home Secretary John Reid says that we are at war with very evil people.
"Reid, when asked whether the British government now considered itself to be 'at war with Islam,' said: 'We are involved in a long, wide and deep struggle against very evil people.
'This is not a case of one civilization against the other, of one religion against the other, but of terrorists who want to use evil methods. This threat is common to us all,' he warned"
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/uk/article_1189055.php/Foiled_airliner_attacks_had_hallmarks_of_al-Qaeda__2nd_Roundup_
The world has yet to grasp the answer. One plot foiled, how many in the works? Only a drastic change in policy will make any headway. Islam is the enemy, and it must change to allow all people real peace, or it will need to be confined to host countrys. Another choice is there, but it will take another 9-11 style or worse attack to come to the front. Then the choice will be only one.
And then there will be no need to worry about western mosques and islamic schools.
The west will fade by its own stupidity; namely, political correctness.
Look Israel is still waiting for the internation force and the Lebanese military to take care of their problems. They fight with a half measure of the strength. The Israeli government said it will expand the military campaign while it's waiting for a diplomatic solution. Despite, it has been proven a failure, time after time.
The west seems to love the language of the tongue, ignoring the fact that the muslims love to weild their swords.
1. No more Arabic/Islamic schools in Western countries.
2. No more religious symbols allowed in schools. No skull-caps, no turbans and no head scarves.
3. No women should be allowed to cover their faces with head scarves or burqas in public or in private. It should be against law.
4. Block all Islamic Jihadist or Wahabist kind websites.
5. Citizenship to immigrants should be granted conditionally. Those who betray their country of adoption should be sent back with their family to their home country (in case of dual-citizenship). Those who do not carry dual citizenship should be sent to sea and dumped there
6. Family of terrorists should be punished for the crimes of the terrorist, along with the terrorist.
7. Terrorists should be prosecuted in fast-paced courts and executed if proven guilty.
8. Those protesting in public, dressed as would-be suicide bombers should be prosecuted and killed (if proven to be found to have any allegiance with the terrorists) even before they kill anybody.
9. Wahabism as religion should be banned in all the western countries.
10. Distribution of Quran should be banned in all western countries.
11. Building mosques should be banned in all the western countries.
[quote]Aug. 10: President Bush says the foiled terrorist plot in London was a “stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists.”[/quote]
Yes, I just saw that in the news. I look forward to the "backlash" from Islamic "civil rights" groups.
3. No women should be allowed to cover their faces with head scarves or burqas in public or in private. It should be against law.
It think that it is already against the law to go into public in a disguise, or at least it was once 'on the books'. Its just probably not enforced strictly and laws like that may vary from state to state.
someone else mentioned it earlier:
#12: The remains of suicidebombers will be stitched into pigskin for burial.
The 12 point: No muslim immigration to the US.
How much longer must we put up with a political correctness that penalizes the average American.
Here is a simple solution. ban all Muslims from traveling for the next 60 days, till we can run security checks on everyone.
Stop all immigration from Muslim countries.
Yes we must profile those that wish to do us harm, this is the normal reaction of a society that wishes to survive.
This is what we must do for our children.
Satire mode ON) New rules for air travel - No one will be allowed to check luggage, carry on luggage will not be allowed, clothing will not be allowed, body cavity searches will be conducted on all persons (no exceptions), no food or beverages will be served or allowed on flights. Passengers who dislike these rules shall not be allowed to fly.(Satire mode OFF)
Now that everyone has gone totally stupid because of a few low life islamic terrorists, it's time to start profiling - keep all the islamics off our airplanes, keep them out of our country. Mass deportations can be accomplished, put them on a boat and send them home!!!
"Reid, when asked whether the British government now considered itself to be 'at war with Islam,' said: 'We are involved in a long, wide and deep struggle against very evil people.
Arjun, while the response by Reid was the typical politically correct BS that we are so accustomed to seeing, I do take some degree of satisfaction that such a question was even asked in the first place. It clearly shows, despite all the efforts of the mainstream media to absolve Islam for all its crimes, that the people do see through this charade and realize that we are, indeed, at war with Islam.
As of today, all carry-on liquids and gels were being confiscated in response to this plot...bummer for the masses...
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"Bring out the animal in you and don't leave home without it!"
Where can I buy some?
I can see why hired Civil Servants, private buisiness owners, etc., will not make statements identifying islam as the enemy. They are the ones who are subject to the legal actions of of groups like CAIR and money hungry lawyers.
However, if one choose ones words carefully I dont see how they could no get aways with a statement like "We are and have been at war with militant Islam. This is not a new development"
But at the end of the day, I cerainly understand why certain people in certain positions wont dare ID a group by race creed or color.
Interestingly, John Reid also used the term "fascists" recently. Since President Bush has used the term today, one wonders if this is coincidence or agreement on phraseology.
Britain facing a new breed of fascist, warns Reid
In a speech to a phrontisterion in London Reid
This is more than a little disappointing. This talk of individuals implies that what we have to deal with here are random psychopaths from "a broad cross-section of society". It's a lie. Nothing could be further from the truth. Nowhere is there an acknowledgment that Islam and its attitudes are the problem.
Reid does link "the terrorism threat to the increased mobility and migration of people since the end of the Cold War":
This is true enough, but it is his own administration that really allowed immigration to go out of control since 1997. Moreover, it's all very well acknowledging the problem, but how about doing something about it?
The speech seems like a dance towards, and then rapidly away from, the truth.
Yes, the bodies of homicide bombers should be wrapped in pig skin and set on fire!
The families of terrorsists should be punished (in a capital way, I might add).
NO MORE MSULIM IMMIGRATION TO THE WEST! Write your senators and congressmen NOW!
NO more mosques or religious schools in the west.
It is time to act!
DEATH TO ISLAM!
DEATH TO IRAN!
Razdan, Yojimbo,
I dare not post my reply. But then, I might be too optimistic. Cheers :)
Sorry, KillHankKill, I will never agree that families of criminals of any stripe should be punished or killed.
Christianity does not allow the sons to suffer the penalty for the fathers and vice versa. That's what makes Christianity superior to Islam. Let's not lose our moral path even though the evil doers have. Thanks for listening.
“The west will fade by its own stupidity; namely, political correctness.” Ssa said.
In Britain today many people are sick to death of immigration and political correctness. Even the idiots trying to blame our foreign policy for all the ills in the world are struggling to make a case for unlimited immigration, either because they believe it is good but have no argument that proves it or because even they realise it is a crock of shit that is infuriating the people.
They argue that PC is not as bad as the right wing press tries to paint it, but everybody knows its real and absolutely effing dangerous. Infact PC is becoming something of a joke to be rolled out evertime a shop keeper gets cautioned for displaying a gollywog doll etc.
They also argue that immigration is good for the country because as one dime bar argued; where else are you going to get a Polish plumber? I must have missed Poland breeding a race of super plumbers in the years after Communism? And if they did why on earth should they be in Britain taking work from our obviously useless plumbers and sending every penny back home? Even the Polish government is upset because everybody in the country as upped sticks and moved here, turns out they need them back home to get some work done in their own bloody country.
Of course the prat who justified flooding the country with foreigners because they work cheaper failed to mention the army of immigrants swarming across the world to get a free house and more money than they could make in a month everyday day just for sitting at home and complaining about how the British treat them with disrespect.
The West might fade because of stupidity, but it won’t be the PC dickheads who cause it. Rome wasn’t built in a day and it didn’t fall in a day. So there is no reason to assume that the West will collapse in our lifetime because of people who went to Uni in the seventies and will be dead as the new generation is brought up under the threat of Islam. But the difference between the Romans and us is that we regularly get the chance to vote the idiots out and replace them.
Without Democracy we would never have got Churchill. And I believe Churchill would have swapped Hitler for the nutjob in Iran in a second.
This bullshit is going to continue until those bastards are able to finally find a way to kill tens of thousands of Americans in one big event before the the USA gets its collective head out of its ass and do what is necessary to put a stop to the crap for once and for all. My guess is the death toll in this country has to be something north of 100,000 in order to wake up the masses. A terrible price to pay for an education for those in denial.
Stand fast in the liberty:
I appreciate your point of view. It is an exapmle of the value of freedom of thought and expression.
On that note, it is a known fact that the homicide bombers typically tell their parents of the atrocities they are going to commit. Therefore, they are guilty by association. And until we develop an effective means of fighting the terrorists (CURRENT TACTICS ARE NOT WORKING) we must have a way to prevent further attacks.
My opinion is that Ahab the Arab is not going to be so quick to detonate if he knows his dear old mum is going to pay the price.
DEATH TO ISLAM!
Ps. My Christian values have lost their patience w/ islam.
Arjun,
Some and some do you think?
Perhaps the politicos, or the smarter ones among them, in the US, Europe, India and elsewhere are beginning to realize what's going on - and what they've done themselves - but think it best not to speak too bluntly. It's a long road yet.
Point taken. Although I do remember one of the 7/7 bombers being a school teacher and none of them being deprived.
Immigration is a thorny issue and will upset somebody no matter how you write about it and that is another reason why we are not sorting it today.
Plus if you are a British plumber then you might think Polish plumbers are a problem as well as lazy Muslims.
"This bullshit is going to continue until those bastards are able to finally find a way to kill tens of thousands of Americans in one big event before the the USA gets its collective head out of its ass and do what is necessary to put a stop to the crap for once and for all."
I'm already going on the assumption that this will happen eventually no matter what we do. Fanatics have the technology and determination to do this today and it is just bound to happen.
Doesn't mean we stop trying to stop them, no. I just think large scale destruction needs to be put in proper persepective as gloomy as that may be.
After an event of that magnitude however, internment camps will suddenly no longer be taboo.
While the West is today focused on this foiled plot, the termites (imams) are still at work, chewing away at the foundations of liberty and the free world, disguised as peace loving men under the veil of islam. Striving toward the day that sharia replaces our constitution, they are just as much the enemy as the more visible jihadists. This is the religion that condemns the use of fireworks while celebrating the use of explosives to take innocent life. Until the fight is taken to the roots in Mecca and Medina there will be no end. †
Interesting info here:
http://www.fixor.com/FIXOR_Photo_big.jpg
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=7328
HE writes:
I just think large scale destruction needs to be put in proper persepective as gloomy as that may be.
Do you recall in WWII, only when we began just eliminating entire cities did the tide of war change.
There's a big problem that no one can solve with our free democracy, in which everyone has the right to talk to no end, at time when the enimies are crouching at the door.
Our politicians now want to dictate Military on how to fight. This is an analogeous of having a auto mechanic to tell a dentist what tools to us in his practice.
Talking and looking pretty will be the great weakness of the free democracy. Sad but real.
look at Israel, the PM has thrown out soldiers life in his indecisions. They had a good military plan, but the PM said, "You can't do this, you can't do that." Now, after missing the opportunity, he is still reluctant to get the work done. Wost, he is looking to Washington to signal red, green, and yellow lights.
YAK YAK YAK, BLAB BLAB BLAB,
The free democracy gives in to too many big mouths.
YAK YAK YAK, BLAB BLAB BLAB,
Talking incessantly will be free democracy's biggest down fall.
Its almost September 1st, and we all know what happened 67 years ago on that date. Germany invaded Poland and we declared war on them three days later. Germany was the enemy (there - its not that difficult to name the enemy if you try - take note MSM), but today (or five years ago ... or go the full hog: 1,383 years ago), Islam showed us that it is the omnipresent enemy of civilization. Lets shout the identity of the enemy from the rooftops - Islam! From its foundation in 610 AD when Mohammed had that dream of founding a religion *giggle* that was meant to conquer the earth and 'dominate and not be dominated' - then going over to the offensive when he had enough followers - raiding, pillaging and murdering across a great swathe of land stretching from the Sahara to India from 623 to 777 in over 80 campaigns against the then civilized world apart from China (154 years - there is something rather peculiar about that number) - and taking almost the whole of the Iberian Peninsula and reaching Tours - a mere 125 miles from Paris before being defeated by Charles Martel's Franks in 732 - and had Martel lost at Tours, the language of Oxford and Cambridge could have been Arabic according to the historian J. B. Kelly.
We had the crusades, but Islam eventually destroyed the Byzantine Empire - taking Constantinople in 1453, then went on to besiege Vienna in 1529, before being defeated by German Landsknechts, Genoese crossbowmen, Iberian swordsmen and Swiss and Bohemian pikemen who saw it as their duty to prevent Western Europe from suffering the same fate as South East Europe. Still, the Islamists tried again to take Vienna in 1683 (154 years later), and failed courtesy of Vienna's then Mayor Stahremberg, and Jan Sobieskis Winged Hussars who routed the Turks - and saved Europe (for 350, 400 years - the jury is still out on this). People thought the threat of the caliph had been banished for ever over the succeeding years from 1683 to at least 1973, when the Islamists got their third hiding courtesy of the Israelis.
So on to 1979, and the man who did most to re-ignite the flame of Islam (and it wasn't Ayatollah Khomeini) Have you guessed who it was? Step forward Jimmy Carter. Your weakness over the hostage crisis gave the Islamic world the belief that Western civilization was weak and there for the taking for the first time in 300 years. He tried to negotiate with the unnegotiable, and still proves that nothing much has changed about him, or us, for that matter. A strong response back then (the sort Curtis LeMay or Arthur Harris might have had in mind - and the sort the Soviets would definitely have had in mind had the Soviet Embassy been overrun instead) would have saved so much trouble in the following 27 (and counting) years - years that gave the US and France 241 and 58 dead peacekeeping Marines in Beirut in 1983 (for the benefit of those who have forgotten that brutal calling card from Hizbollah, and still shill for these scumbags), atrocities at US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, an assortment of murdered US citizens, terrorist attacks in Israel, the dress rehersal for 911 - then 911 itself. Since that awful September day in 2001, we have seen another 5,600 fatal terrorist atrocities carried out in the name of Allah - including Beslan, Bali, Madrid, London, Mumbai - and now - the breaking up of a plot to destroy 20 airliners just after take-off from Heathrow, killing perhaps 6,000 passengers, and killing and maiming thousands on the ground below with tons of burning fuel and hundreds of tons of debris showering on towns below the flightpaths, and turning them into clones of Northern Israeli towns.
Had this happened, who would have been blamed by the MSM and the press? Certainly not those who carried it out. It would have been the fault of Bush, Blair, the Israelis, even Cock Robin - but not the Islamists. Not the hateful texts of the Koran, Sira and hadith. And had this plot succeeded, the perpetrators would have been called 'terrorists' by the MSM (Blair would have been called far worse) - they're only 'militants' when they kill US and British troops, or Israeli civilians.
No wonder the likes of Ahmadinejad and Hizbollah are laughing their heads off.
Christianity does not allow the sons to suffer the penalty for the fathers and vice versa.
Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at August 10, 2006 02:25 PM
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And what will you do when the terrorists rape and murder your family and friends?????????
Look back in recent history and you'll see minority Japanese Americans did far less than these muslims in Europe and America to undermine thier host countries. I asked my Grandfather if he though we could see internments again either in Europe and America. He looked me in the eye shook his head and laughed. So went his answer. It only took a few bad apples to get all Japanese interned in WW11. It will have to be a huge attack, which is inevitable, but we will probably see internments within the end of the next few decades.
Went to Mexico City last year and shared a cab back with a very interesting guy that was in the war room with Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld and the other cronies when they decided to go invade Iraq. It was a brilliant plan till the overthrow of Baghdad....then a giant duh? What to do now...Let's sell democracy to these barbarians!
Sorry guys, doesn't work with Islam....My friend now says the ONLY thing to do is gather all the ME leaders together and have a brainstorming session and tell the sheetheads that we will be leaving in a year and if you let this slide into chaos we will return and blow the Middle East into oblivion.....Do you understand where we are coming from?? I surely do and now that seems like the only road to take...Let's start with Iran then move west. They want and understand violence so let's as a collective society give them something they truly understand.
Even my wife now gets the picture as this morning watching the news about the foiled plot...she said to round them up and send them back to the crapholes they came from. Stop the PC BS and get to the meat of the matter! My wife gets it now how about yours?? I'm even wearing my Islam is a blast shirt with the bomb on it and yesterday was Defeat Jihad...many of my friends want one now! I immediately direct them to Robert's site. Time to roll people.
While all these ideas are interesting, the policy should be consistent and in line with what the enemy understands.
Evet policy that Muslims have imposed on dhimmis living under Islam should be imposed on Muslims living in Dar al-Harb. No mosques bulit or repatred, must wear unique clothing not of their choice, cannot be a boss of a non-Muslim, etc. Also impose on Muslim immigrants the Jannisaria: For every family that wants to stay in the West, they will be taxed a child who will be adopted out to infidel families to be raised as a non-Muslim.
Of course for this to happen the non-Muslim nations must return to their roots. The West must again become ideologically Christian, India must become ideologically Hindu, Israel must truly act according to Torah, Thailand must be Dharmic Kingdom, etc, etc....
Wow!
http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/67212.php
They have been picking up these 'students' all over the country! 6 have been found 5 are still missing.
Let's see....they have been found in Minnesota, Chicago (with a New York ticket...anyone curious how he got to Chicago?), BALTIMORE, Maryland, and New Jersey.
Wonder where the other 5 will be found? Hmmmm maybe Florida, California, Seattle, Texas, Oklahoma?
Ask yourself...why did they spread out???? The pathetic pc media are reporting that they were just misguided egyptians who decided to look for work. RUBBISH. How did they travel??? WHO GAVE THEM TRANSPORTATION???
What if they are spreading biological agents or have made contact with others for a horrible purpose?
I do not for one second believe they are innocent 'students'. Nope...the timing is too perfect for that.
Folks, we may be seeing the spread of some kind of bad disease or we may be getting ready to see some major terrorism in our large cities across the US. Something is up.
Paki government helps out enough to satisfy the minimum enough to get economic and tech. aid from the US. if they were really our allies of the West they would of allowed the WEst to go and get BinLaden out of his dirt hole. screw the pakis, send them back.
Travelling as I do on a weekly basis between eurabia and londonistan, todays news was, of course, terrifying, and angering, and, of course once that passes, you realise the massive inconvenience that is being caused to you.
And the increased security got me paraphrasing what I believe was an NRA slogan (I'm sure some one will correct me if I'm wrong...).
'Liquids don't kill people - muslims do'
MP Malik Shahid on thwarted terror plans:
http://www.leedstoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=39&ArticleID=1685564
...He said there is "no quick fix" to sorting out the underlying problems which cause people to become radicalised. "Violence is not the answer," he said. "We have got to give people the chance to vent their frustration through debate, politics and public life."
And he added: "The action of Israel and the inaction of the West is contributing to the difficult task of tackling extremism."
Henceforth, all muslim males attempting to board an airplane must go through a special "sniff" screener to see if they have perfumed their genitals in preparation for the wild orgy with their 72 raisons in heaven.
"This bullshit is going to continue until those bastards are able to finally find a way to kill tens of thousands of Americans in one big event before the the USA gets its collective head out of its ass..."
I fear that even one big event would not be enough. The template by which our Western societies surgically detach terrorist attacks from Islam -- thereby leaving Islam blameless -- is too deeply entrenched. It is entrenched so deeply it has not merely taken hold among our "elites" but also, more or less passively, among millions of our ordinary fellow citizens.
That template is part of the larger paradigm of PC multiculturalism that dominates the West now.
One big attack with 100,000 Americans dead is, at the end of the day, a datum: and data need to be interpreted. According to the template of terrorism which is part of the dominant PC multiculturalist paradigm, even such a horrible datum as that could (and, from everything we have seen about our Western societies and their response to the Problem of Islam, would) be fit very easily into an interpretation that leaves Islam blameless.
The recent nuance of the term "Islamic fascists" does little to sufficiently reconfigure that template. In fact, it serves to immunize Islam by giving a token breadcrumb to those who hunger for more understanding in their representatives.
Who knows how many horrific data need to occur before that dominant paradigm is shaken to its roots. I don't think one datum will do it.
remote_control
The recent nuance of the term "Islamic fascists" does little to sufficiently reconfigure that template. In fact, it serves to immunize Islam by giving a token breadcrumb to those who hunger for more understanding in their representatives.
Well said
I do believe that if there is one more massive attack on the USA, and I do predict this, there will be a HUGE angry backlash that will root out at last any and all things Muslim. Just a simple thought.
bigcatgirl13106
It's a nice thought but only a dream I'm afraid.
The liberal-lefty Champagne Socialists who want to court the muslims in this country for their vote, would never stand for it.
I think islamo-fascist is at least a step in the right direction.
A few weeks ago I was not hearing any recognition of the role of islam in this war in the MSM.
I beleieve islamo-fascist goes a long way towards:
1) identifying the enemy as Islam(ic)
2) associates Jihad with an evil ideology (fascism), an enemy which America knows has threatened liberty in the past and must be defeated to for us to survive.
3) opens the door to elaborating on the islamo and fascist parts, that this battle is against Jihad and from there, explain as Ibn Warraq says, "There may be moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." etc.
So I'll accept islamo-fascist but I prefer to call them what they are, Jihadist.
These are big steps.
My problem is some people like Sean Hannity can belch the word out over and over and then take calls from callers who know the game, know that this is a war against Jihad and Hannity when asked to admit the guilt of responsibility fgeos in toa Dhimmi dance of how Islam has been hijacked. That is what really bothers me
Anyone remember this???
I STILL say these 11 egyptian 'students' are not here to learn English!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/07/14/airport.arrest/index.html
They just find different ways of putting explosives onto planes.
Maybe they'll carry explosives in their underwear next.
Maybe people will be forced to travel naked in the future.
Voltaire, could I still bring my warm travel socks? :o)
Wouldn't surprise me if they would go so far as to have sxplosive devices surgically sewn inside their bodies.
They are determined to kill for allah at any length. Anyone who doesn't see that is only fooling himself.
“Boiling Frog Syndrome.”
Western civilization is the frog.
Terrorists use boiling water.
Islam turns up the heat slowly.
"The idea is that if you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will jump out. But if you place the frog into a pot of lukewarm water and slowly turn up the heat, it will boil to death! In other words, when people become accustomed to practices over a sufficient period of time, they come to accept these practices as normal."
Do not be fooled. We can defeat the terrorists, but if we are not vigilant, the larger evil will devour us. †
"t's a nice thought but only a dream I'm afraid.
The liberal-lefty Champagne Socialists who want to court the muslims in this country for their vote, would never stand for it. "
The truth is that the left is now skating on thin ice and if any more attacks on this country ever do take place again, that thin ice will break.
"t's a nice thought but only a dream I'm afraid.
The liberal-lefty Champagne Socialists who want to court the muslims in this country for their vote, would never stand for it. "
The truth is that the left is now skating on thin ice and if any more attacks on this country ever do take place again, that thin ice will break.
bigcatgirl,
You said: "if any more attacks on this country ever do take place again, that thin ice will break."
God knows I hope you are right! :o)
What a bunch of idiots. They are only concerned with liquids or gels. The last time I checked, explosives also come in solid form.
So what this means is that from now on, carry on luggage will no longer be allowed. As long as we have these people in our society, these measures will have to stay in place.
This failed attack is good news on two levels. Firstly it did not work and hence lives were saved and secondly it is certainly serving to wake yet more PC blinkered infidels to what we are facing.
Please don't think I'm trying to be crude but I believe we are seeing the most spectacular case of premature ejaculation in all of history at the moment! The way the ummah is programmed (by the example of the 'perfect man') does not lend itself very well to the idea of delayed gratification. Therefore when they sniffed that there may be one day be a victory to be had in the West they wanted it and they wanted it NOW! The fact that the inhabitants of this Trojan horse are wriggling, ranting and raving inside our city walls and not calmly laying in wait for demography to do its slow and steady work may be our salvation yet...
Bigcatgirl,
The left isn't as rational as you are. This group will do anything to throw away the values of founding fathers in exchange for short comforts. They lifted their skirts for the Soviet. Now, Soviet is dead, the money stops coming from there, as the new sources come in from the oil well. Now, and again, the skirts are lifted up for Allah to enjoy the lust.
The left is a moral waste land; there is no virtue in them. Don't expect a change form them. Perverts is what they are.
"Let's see....they have been found in Minnesota, Chicago (with a New York ticket...anyone curious how he got to Chicago?), BALTIMORE, Maryland, and New Jersey."
Terrorists always......and I mean always.......find their way to NEW JERSEY! If I had to start rounding them up.....I would first start in NEW JERSEY.
A question for Londoners:
Did any of you notice that the ummah kept its head down today? Every now and then I walk straight through the City from the West End to get a train in the East - only excercise I get! Now the City usually seems to be a place, during working hours at least, where Muslims are rather thin on the ground. What with it being a hub of industrious economic activity and all! You do however see quite a few headscarves around (almost never traditional male Islamic dress however) mostly worn by young girls who I assume to be clerical workers and secretaries in some of the financial institutions (By the way if the government gets it way on 'ethnic quotas' there's going to have to be much more of them in the future with Whitechapel being on the doorstep).
Well today as I was walking I did not see a single headscarf on the Holborn Viaduct, Newgate Street, Cheapside, Cornhill or Leadenhall Street. The first obviously identifiable Muslims that I saw was when I was nearing Aldgate - which is only to be expected as by then you are just about touching the outer fringes of Londonistan proper (Whitechapel aka Banglatown).
I really wondered what to make of this. What do my fellow Londoners think? Did you notice the same thing? Could this mean that there is a specific strategy to 'lay low' or do they really believe the 'risk of Islamophobic attacks' nonsense that they keep dishing up!?
"Could this mean that there is a specific strategy to 'lay low' or do they really believe the 'risk of Islamophobic attacks' nonsense that they keep dishing up!?"
I think most Muslims living in Western societies have not really processed how stable, free and decent the West is -- so, logically, in the back of their minds they think the society they are in at the moment (e.g., London) will react as ruthlessly as any of the Islamic hell-holes they hail from -- ruthlessly both in official terms, with fascist police rounding people up, or in unofficial terms, with rabid lynch mobs running amok.
So when anything like this happens in the news, they lay low.
"The liberal-lefty Champagne Socialists who want to court the muslims in this country for their vote,would never stand for it."
The Goobs-
And how many states/districts will be turning a blind eye to foreign nationals participating in US elections this November?
I read a post on a Sky news blog today by a person who identified himself as Muslim. I was expecting the line about how Muslims are all decent and it is us that are painting them all as devils and inflaming them to act because of our foreign policy. But I did not get that at all. Instead the guy talked about his hatred for the attempted bombings and the people who would do this in the name of his religion.
So here is an idea. Everybody in Britain gets a declaration of loyalty form through the post using the census mechanism already in place. This form states clearly what our government in a free society is obliged to do for us and also states what that free society expects from us in return. If you refuse to reply, then social benefits are withheld because the majority should not pay for subversives. If you break your agreement by plotting against the country then you are open to serious punishment. Is that not the treason law anyway?
The Government would be equally accountable to this agreement which would tell them in no uncertain terms that if the ruling party is acting contrary to the furtherance of the nation’s wealth and happiness, they would also be acting against the law and open to a referendum to decide if a new general election was necessary.
The Republicans in Ireland would never sign anything with the Crown at the top. Many Scots would balk too. So just make it a declaration of solidarity between the different peoples in our culture.
That way if you hate us then you don’t get your house and dole money. If you lie on the form and get caught out then you’re in a world of shit and your family will get subsistence living in a hostel while you spend many days picking up soap for evil Frank from C Wing.
I would sign it tomorrow and I am sure the guy from Islam would too if it meant he could spend the rest of his days not being called a terrorist.
Would you refuse to sign if it helped to identify the bad guys? And I think it's time that politicians realised that the term public servant applied to them and not us.
That is what makes it even more dangerous for Infidels across the board when there isn't a backlash. In the absense of either a draconian backlash by the authorities, or rabid lynch mobs taking a free swing, they assume next time around that they can get away with it.
Reason they even tried it today is because there was no backlash for 7/7. A few random vigilante attacks, maybe, but nothing that would scare an average denizen of dar-ul-Islam into not wanting to move there. Until something like that happens, expect more such attempts to be made.
Also, while I'm glad that this attack was foiled, the obvious downside of it is that the average citizen will therefore assume that whatever threat does exist is containable by your pedestrian law-enforcement. You mentioned elsewhere that even a major attack wouldn't trigger a major backlash. Just think of what a prevented attack, such as todays, will have on the populace. Nothing more than griping about travel delays, and no support for any moves that makes the existance of Muslims in bilad-ul-kafir a living hell.
Mert
How do you know that this person, assuming he was for real, wasn't pulling off his taqiyya? You've got to factor that into any declaration of loyalty that any Muslim professes to have for any infidel country.
Hey Infidel Pride, you know sometimes you just have to assume that not every German was a Nazi, and not every Muslim is a bomber in waiting.
If you assume that everbody who follows that book is the enemy then when do you stop before you kill them all just incase?
The guy posted in the midst of an arguement between the left and right and came out on the right I think.
If he really believed what he was posting then how does it help us to alienate him?
By the way, what do you think of the my plan to keep the Islamists out? A loyalty based thing would do good right now.
Mert
The situation isn't analogous - Germans being Nazis, Russians being Communists isn't the same thing as Muslims being...Muslims. You would have been correct had you said not all Arabs are Muslims, or that not all Pakistanis are Muslims. However, while a German or a Russian would ethnically remain German or Russian even after they rejected Mein Kamph or Kommunist Manifesto, and an Arab could remain an Arab after rejecting the Quran, a Muslim wouldn't remain a Muslim once he rejects Islam.
I've rarely advocated that all Muslims be killed. I've always believed that they should either be made to convert to an Infidel religion if they want to stay on in bilad ul Kafir, or they should go back to dar ul Islam if they want to stay Muslims. If they try to forcefully reject either of these choices, only then should they be dispatched to Allah.
As for your plan, it's well intentioned, but completely inadequate against the taqiyya artists, and there's no way of knowing which of them are genuine, and which ones are practicing taqiyya. Besides, given everything that the real Islam is known to be, asking a Muslim to leave Islam is like asking a Nazi to disavow Nazism, or a Communist to disavow Marxism. So those who are genuinely aghast at the Jihad should follow the example of Ali Sina and any number of others. If they can't, they should be assumed to have hostile intentions, protestations or not, and sent back to dar ul Islam.
A question for Londoners:
Did any of you notice that the ummah kept its head down today?
Yes, as a matter of fact I did. Living in the heart of Londonistan proper (i.e the Islamic quarter) I noticed that my neighbours and their friends were not their usual noisy, quarrelsome, arrogant selves.
I'd like to think that perhaps it's a sense of shame over what has happened today. But perhaps it's sense of disappointment instead - we all know that sinking feeling when our team loses a game.
Oh well, Pakistan Independence Day next week - that'll cheer 'em up. Or maybe the unfolding events will put a dampener on that too? If so, GOOD!
Infidel Pride I once got saved from a kicking by facists in a bar called Kugelfang on Christmas Eve, by two really old ex WW2 Wermacht soldiers.
The dickhead called Kriegy wanted me dead for turning up in a facist bar on Christmas Eve, I didn't know it was or I would of stayed away. These old men who fought for fascism protected me.
Don't tell me i'm well intentioned as though i'm introducing a plan for puppies and then tell me all Muslims are wankers. Because that is the kind of simplification that does not allow for two old men who tried to kill the allies 60 years ago to help a Brit out years later.
Your right to pick your enemies but it wouldn't kill you to find friends too.
Mert
The 2 ex-Wehrmacht troopers who saved you from a bar brawl were exactly that - ex-Nazis; they weren't practicing Nazis when they decided to take your side. The Islamic equivalent of those would be ex-Muslims, like Ali Sina, Wafa Sultan, Walid Shoebat...
When I told you you were well intentioned, I wasn't trying to be condescending - I do apologize if I came across that way. However, the point I was trying to make was that given the difficulty that we Infidels face in trying to separate genuine opponents of terror from taqiyya artists, I disagree with your suggestion of having them merely proclaim their loyalties as a reliable way of telling them apart.
I believe that my main disagreement with you is your point that they can be loyal while remaining Muslims, which is a direct conflict of interests, and that the act of apostasy, where they are forced to stand up and be counted out of the ummah, is the minimum price they should pay if they want to remain in our ranks.
Granted that it's permissible for Muslims to pretend to 'disbelieve' as a part of Jihad, so even this step by them wouldn't in and of itself be exhaustive. However, it would be a minimum that would be required of them, and proven over time. I wouldn't know whether someone who says he's an apostate from Islam is being genuine, or full of guile, but over time, if he would have proven his support to our side in the Jihad, he's definitely worth trusting.
There is the other possibility that one is not willing to take either side, and apostatizes just to get us off his back. I'm fine with that as well, provided he can demonstrate that he's not an enemy.
Prickzilla:
"Long waits in airports and other inconveniences, not to mention billions of dollars spent every year on added security....All so we can have Muslims living in our countries.
Some things just ain't worth it. And this is one of those things.
Islam should be shipped out of the West. It contributes nothing positive to society"
I agree 100%.
Prickzilla:
Some half the Muslim population of Britain is living on full welfare ie means free house, all mod cons, and all bills paid for them + pocket money. I estimate that the muslim population of Britain is costing somewhere the taxpayer somewhere in the region of £150bn per year. This does not take into account all the costs of security measures, the effects on the economy as a consequence of security measures, and the degredation of the environment (take a look at Muslim areas in England; they have converted them to a reasonable facsimile of their own lands).
Muslims also are more then three as likely to be in prison for felony crimes. So there is the cost of police work, cost to the community of the crime, court costs, and then prison costs. The last is atleast twice as much for any other, as muslims have to be provided with special amenities.
This is crazy.
Why do why do we need Muslims?
Do we have so much money that we do not know what to do with it?
Are the police idle and need something to do?
Are the prisons empty and need filling up?
Are the maternity wards empty and we need muslims to fill them up?
Is the social Welfare budget underspent?
All the above we are doing - are what is required to bury our civilisation.
How crazy get the UK government get?